VIDEO: Ballistic Missile Destroyed by Laser

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nottheking

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[citation][nom]TommySch[/nom]If you can get a network of these babies up and running on a NATO scale, its time to make our move on China. If there is no possible retaliation its time to go for the kill.[/citation]
Technically, China's nuclear threat is already pretty limited; unlike the USA or Russia, (or even the UK) China has very limited ICBM technology, limited to a handful of bulky, crude missiles, that lack their own concealed silos. Hence, their locations are kept constantly monitored, so any attempt to move them onto launch pads for fueling and firing would be immediately noticed, and almost certainly be met with a quick strike by stealth plane or cruise missile to neutralize the rocket before it could be launched.

Of course, China has a good number of sub-intercontinental BMs on hand, which could readily target the likes of South Korea or Japan.

[citation][nom]Tossum[/nom]If a ICBM nuke was shot down with this laser, does the warhead become inactive, or, as is the current situation playing out in my mind- will the thing, on its way to America, fall out of the sky and explode onto my bloody house?[/citation]
If it was targetted while still boosting, the warhead would not have been given the arming sequence, and hence would not detonate. In all designs for such missiles, the warheads are only armed once they go into the terminal "fall" part of their trajectory. Given that all modern warheads are given extensive measures to prevent their accidental/unauthorized detonation, even damaging the warhead itself would be sufficient enough to ensure it wouldn't detonate... Though it very likely could break apart and spread radioactive waste over a good-sized area.

As for the safety measures, all modern warhead designs require a complicated timing mechanism to multiple ignition wires so that each connected point of the explosives sets off at the EXACT same moment; if that fails, then the nuclear core is simply shoved out of the bomb by the force, and fails to be compressed and detonated. While a missile would have been given the correct ignition code to set off properly, (provided its launch was authorized by the President of the USA/Russia/China/etc. all of whom being those that carry their respective codes) it wouldn't have armed until the guidance system was sure it was going to hit its target.

But even if it was in the terminal stage, a defensive strike that sent the missile off-course would still likely rip the warhead apart from the sheer force, if not the heat of re-entry; their heat shield only protects them if they're facing the correct direction, and it's un-damaged. (as evidenced by the tragedy of the space shuttle Columbia)

[citation][nom]wiyosaya[/nom]AFAIK, that concept has been shelved. The nukes were needed to generate the energy for a high-power X-ray laser. At that time, no other means was known for the production of coherent X-rays. Since then, there have been other methods developed to generate coherent X-rays that do not require the use of a nuke as a trigger. The reason for the X-rays was that X-rays allow you to focus significantly more energy than radiation at the wavelengths at which optical lasers typically operate. The power density achievable is a function of the square of the wavelength. Cutting the wavelength by a factor of two gives you a factor of four in terms of achievable energy density. Yet with advances in laser technology, significantly higher power output is available from solid state and other more conventional (i.e., lasers not operating at X-ray wavelengths) lasers today than in those days.[/citation]
Yes, the concept was shelved, for reasons including those I mentioned. (i.e, being expensive and single-shot) Of course, it was also impractical because while no treaty explicitly forbids the deployment of nukes to space, the Partial Test-Ban Treaty still forbade TESTING such a device.

Although regrettably, it also appears you neglected the main point I'd brought that comment up to address: managing to get that sort of power in a satellite-based laser. Certainly, there are already much more potent lasers (including of visible wavelengths) that have been built, tested, and could be weaponized as such. However, all of them, once you include a source of power capable of enabling them, would be far too bulky for use in orbit.
 

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[citation][nom]healersource[/nom] we should focus on creating goodwill with other nations so maybe they wouldnt want to kill us as much.[/citation]
Well said...
Are you sure your American?
 

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[citation][nom]kentlowt[/nom]Unfortunately there are treaties prohibiting this. Unless we break them which would be a good thing in my mind. [/citation]
Because the US never breaks treaties!

The USA will make a treaty and then break it.... thats the problem with the US. Once a country tries to stand up to the USA they are bullied.

We (usa) have 342876328976 nuclear bombs, lets sign a treaty stating its illegal to create them anymore. (then we'll secretly create more *snicker*).... How about, go fuck yourself, were going to make them until your nukes are dismantled. USA is the problem, sorry to tell you.

This is one Canadians impression of USA government. Go Ahead thumbs down me... it's an opinion, the correct opinion.
 

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did you actually try reading up on it...

or Is Atomic Radiation as Dangerous as We Thought?

There are more and more articles like this coming to light + real scientific studies.

There are areas of the world where many people live normally who are exposed to more natural background radiation over the last 20 years than the people in the worst affected areas around Chernobyl.

The most radiation sickness came in the short time after the explosion when the cows ate the grass covered in the fallout and people drank the milk...

People who stayed in the now almost ghost towns by Chernobyl and refused to leave the town they were born in (from a BBC documentary I saw years ago) were interviewed and said they had had no problems at all and did not know what the fuss was about. According to a later report most of the cases of sickness were down to paranoia - in such areas any sickness later must be radiation related.

In another documentary about the Cursk type Russian submarines (the twin skinned nuclear sub we all heard about that sunk a while back and the big rescue missions that were mounted) which was well known for having leaky reactor seals around the control rods allowing contamination of the air supply... The crews of such subs were interviewed and they all had it as common knowledge that the hypochondriac type people who worried about the radiation were Always the ones who actually got sick and the "lads" who put it to the backs of their minds almost never got ill.

Is kinda like the common knowledge that a patient in a hospital who has a strong will to live, will get better faster and those who are all depressive are more likely to take longer healing or not even pull though in bad cases...

+ there has been another BBC documentary talking about how the scientists fledgling atomic age understandings had overrated the dangers of radiation.

Is positive hopeful stuff :)
 

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[citation][nom]ewood[/nom]Amen! I'm from vermont and pretty liberal compared to many, but I fail to see the faults in using nuclear energy. %99.99 of peoples reasons for hating it are based on ignorance and lack of education. If they took to time to learn the process and and the numerous safety measures put in place (VT yankee has 9 discreet systems that would ALL have to fail for any amount of radiation to be released)they would realize how great an alternative it is to coal, natural gas, wood chips, wind and solar.[/citation]

"ignorance and lack of education" Of course they are, 99% of society has all the scientific intellectual capacity of a mortar and pestle. Seriously, expecting the vast majority of the voting public to be ok with things they can't see or taste or touch, besides a deity that is... is asking too much frankly.
 

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[citation][nom]healersource[/nom]this is completely retarded.anyone who wanted to nuke america could easily just sneak a couple in over the border. no missiles necessary. lord knows enough drugs come into this country every day. in reality there is absolutely NO WAY to really defend against an attack. ANY defense system will always have some vulnerability or way to go around it. instead maybe we should focus on creating goodwill with other nations so maybe they wouldnt want to kill us as much.[/citation]
Your assumption that simply not having various kinds of defensive capabilities will magically make everyone else not have an issue with the US, or other western democracies is a complete fallacy. Peoples of completely incompatible belief systems will always be at war, until they realize that the overarching premise of the differing belief systems are B.S. Humanity has been at war with itself, different groups fighting over territory, food, mating opportunities and belief systems going back as far as our pre homo sapien ancestors have been around. Simple saying, "sit down and make nice" might be a good oprah episode but is entirely too simplistic and unrealistic for the real world.
 

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Right,

I am saying that it is a Huge disaster.
But I am also trying to positively point out that fortunately it was not as bad as was initially believed and our understandings of the effects of radiation are still evolving.


I did about 4 years ago, when I produced a report on it. I have also visited the exclusion zone. The commies tried to play down the impact on the locals, people who still live within the exclusion zone (crazy, but true) are STILL dying now from cancers related to the incident.

A lot of truth in that. I happen to have been around the safer parts outside of the incident area in 93 too as part of a 6 month trip around Russia in AID related travels... none of the locals said anything like that to us - just were surprised to see us there, they didn’t seem worried at all anymore just taking it in their stride.
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Moreover, radiation doses to which the populations in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus have been exposed, had nearly no impact on their health - these people do not suffer more frequently from leukemia, nor do they give birth to more children with genetic defects. Those are the conclusions from the recent UNSCEAR (United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation) report, which has been prepared by 142 most prominent experts from 21 countries.

So many prominent experts putting their names to this report and their reputations + possible future careers make it something to take quite seriously…

Rest of Quotes taken from:
The Chernobyl Forum is an initiative of the IAEA, in cooperation with the WHO,
UNDP, FAO, UNEP, UN-OCHA, UNSCEAR, the World Bank1 and the governments
of Belarus, the Russian Federation and Ukraine. The Forum was created as a contribution
to the United Nations’ ten-year strategy for Chernobyl, launched in 2002 with the
publication of Human Consequences of the Chernobyl Nuclear Accident — A Strategy
for Recovery.


With the exception of the on-site reactor personnel
and the emergency workers who were present near the
destroyed reactor during the time of the accident and
shortly afterwards, most of recovery operation workers
and people living in the contaminated territories
received relatively low whole-body radiation doses, comparable to background radiation
levels accumulated over the 20 year period since the accident.

Reported individual thyroid doses ranged
up to about 50 Gy, with average doses in contaminated areas being about 0.03 to few
Gy, depending on the region where people lived and on their age. The thyroid doses
to residents of Pripyat city located in the vicinity of the Chernobyl power plant, were
substantially reduced by timely distribution of stable iodine tablets. Drinking milk
from cows that ate contaminated grass immediately after the accident was one of the
main reasons for the high doses to the thyroid of children, and why so many children
subsequently developed thyroid cancer.

The general public has been exposed during the past twenty years after the accident
both from external sources (137Cs on soil, etc.) and via intake of radionuclides (mainly,
137Cs) with foods, water and air, see Fig. 2. The average effective doses for the general
population of ‘contaminated’ areas accumulated in 1986–2005 were estimated to be between
10 and 30 mSv in various administrative regions of Belarus, Russia and Ukraine. In the areas
of strict radiological control, the average
dose was around 50 mSv and more. Some
residents received up to several hundred
mSv. It should be noted that the average
doses received by residents of the territories
‘contaminated’ by Chernobyl fallout
are generally lower than those received by
people who live in some areas of high
natural background radiation in India,
Iran, Brazil and China (100–200 mSv in
20 years).

There have been many post-Chernobyl studies of leukaemia and cancer morbidity in
the populations of ‘contaminated’ areas in the three countries. Most studies, however,
had methodological limitations and lacked statistical power. There is therefore no
convincing evidence at present that the incidence of leukaemia or cancer (other than
thyroid) has increased in children, those exposed in-utero, or adult residents of the
‘contaminated’ areas. It is thought, however, that for most solid cancers, the minimum
latent period is likely to be much longer than that for leukaemia or thyroid cancer
— of the order of 10 to 15 years or more — and it may be too early to evaluate the full
radiological impact of the accident. Therefore, medical care and annual examinations of
highly exposed Chernobyl workers should continue.

There has been a modest but steady increase in reported congenital malformations
in both ‘contaminated’ and ‘uncontaminated’ areas of Belarus since 1986; see Fig. 4.
This does not appear to be radiation-related and may be the result of increased
registration.

The recovery of affected biota in the exclusion zone has been facilitated by the removal
of human activities, e.g., termination of agricultural and industrial activities. As a result,
populations of many plants and animals have eventually expanded, and the present
environmental conditions have had a positive impact on the biota in the Exclusion Zone.
Indeed, the Exclusion Zone has paradoxically become a unique sanctuary for biodiversity.


According to this report 0.008% of children in the most heavily exposed areas of Belarus got Thyroid cancer and 0.0025 for the Ukraine for the peak year where the number of cases were starting to plateau .


 

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that little "Most" just below your quote was meant to say:

Most of the people living directly in the worst contaminated areas, where some few are dying, are almost all living healthy lives with no problems whatsoever going by the documenatry I watch years back showed them being interviewed by the BBC + other stuff I have seen over the years. These most contaminated areas having people who recieved less radiation doses than people living with higher background radiation in other parts of the wold.
 

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hehe

They were kinda laughing at us because all the other westerners had geiger counters with them and we were just eating all the local food with them without worrying.

(the geiger counter I had ordered arrived too late to take on this trip)

Still, was a wonderful trip and lots of fun - will remember it forever I think :D
 

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[citation][nom]fpsdominator[/nom]We wouldn't have to worry about renewable energy if you tree hugging liberals let the U.S use Nuclear Power Plants. Its free Energy!!! Why not use it???[/citation]

How about you avoid the labels? Not just 'tree hugging liberals' are against nuclear energy. I'm pretty sure the coal and oil industries are owned by the GOP, and they sure as hell don't want to lose their cash cow to nuclear.
 
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