Which Guitar Recording Amp?

[steve]

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Michael wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a guitar amp that's good for recording mostly a Fender
> Strat Plus with Lace Sensors and a Gibson Les Paul with PAF's. Music
> style is mostly pop-rock, rock, and blues. Good clean tone is more
> preferable than good distortion since I can get good distortion with
> pedals. Although, good of both is ideal. My budget is up to $600.
> I'm considering ADA Rocket A20R (a rare amp--I have a chance to snag
> one), Peavey Classic 30, Fender Pro Jr., and Fender Blues Jr. Which
> one do you recommend? I heard the ADA is very good. Is it way better
> than the others mentioned? Any others worth considering?
>
> Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
>
> Michael L.

The ADA is a very responsive little amp, get it, and it it doesn't do
everything you need, you can always sell it or get a second amp down the
road. The Pro JR is a nice little amp, or get a Mesa Boogie 22+ Caliber
which is a great all around amp with recording out.

 

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Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
> Pignose.
>
> Don't laugh. Try it.
> You'll be absolutely shocked.
> --scott

I like the way you can change the tone by opening the back different
amounts (or not at all). However the volume control gets too loud too
fast to adjust easily.

 

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Guncho wrote:

>
> Phil Wilson wrote:
>
>>Interesting that you think 15-30 watt amps are recording amps (unless you're
>>in a soundproof studio or don't need to worry about neighbors). I always
>>think of "recording amps" as a few watts, like the Fargen Bastage (described
>>as a recording/bedroom amp, 4 watts) or an Emery Superbaby (6-12 I think,
>>depending on which power tube). Me, I'd get an Emery Superbaby (cool choice
>>of power tubes) or a THD Univalve (with built-in attenuator) for recordning.
>>They're a bit more than your budget though.
>>--
>>Phil Wilson
>>
>>"Michael" <mustang3@mediaone.net> wrote in message
>>news:1122110826.011590.159430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>I'm looking for a guitar amp that's good for recording mostly a Fender
>>>Strat Plus with Lace Sensors and a Gibson Les Paul with PAF's. Music
>>>style is mostly pop-rock, rock, and blues. Good clean tone is more
>>>preferable than good distortion since I can get good distortion with
>>>pedals. Although, good of both is ideal. My budget is up to $600.
>>>I'm considering ADA Rocket A20R (a rare amp--I have a chance to snag
>>>one), Peavey Classic 30, Fender Pro Jr., and Fender Blues Jr. Which
>>>one do you recommend? I heard the ADA is very good. Is it way better
>>>than the others mentioned? Any others worth considering?
>>>
>>>Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>>Michael L.
>>>
>
>
> Am I the only person on this NG who when someone mentions playing live
> doesn't think of the local open mic blues jam and when someone mentions
> recording doesn't immefiately think of sitting in front of their home
> computer playing to a drum machine?
>
> When I think live I think 1000 capacity venue packed.
>
> When i think recording I think pro studio 2" tape.
>
> Chris
>

That's good thinking, but it might be 20 years out of date.

The going got weird, and the weird turned pro.

Especially with respect to "pro studio 2\" tape". And
you might get a thousand people into a Hard Rock Cafe,
but...

--
Les Cargill

 

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jdavyd williams wrote:
> Guncho wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Am I the only person on this NG who when someone mentions playing live
> > doesn't think of the local open mic blues jam and when someone mentions
> > recording doesn't immefiately think of sitting in front of their home
> > computer playing to a drum machine?
> >
> > When I think live I think 1000 capacity venue packed.
> >
> > When i think recording I think pro studio 2" tape.
>
> No offense intended here, but i really have to question how often you do
> either.

I've played many gigs at the top venues in Vancouver and Toronto and
recorded in a few pro studios.

www.garageband.com/starstar
www.garageband.com/chrisgunter

www.horseshoetavern.com
www.s2n.net

Chris

 

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Les Cargill wrote:
> Guncho wrote:
>
> >
> > Phil Wilson wrote:
> >
> >>Interesting that you think 15-30 watt amps are recording amps (unless you're
> >>in a soundproof studio or don't need to worry about neighbors). I always
> >>think of "recording amps" as a few watts, like the Fargen Bastage (described
> >>as a recording/bedroom amp, 4 watts) or an Emery Superbaby (6-12 I think,
> >>depending on which power tube). Me, I'd get an Emery Superbaby (cool choice
> >>of power tubes) or a THD Univalve (with built-in attenuator) for recordning.
> >>They're a bit more than your budget though.
> >>--
> >>Phil Wilson
> >>
> >>"Michael" <mustang3@mediaone.net> wrote in message
> >>news:1122110826.011590.159430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >>>I'm looking for a guitar amp that's good for recording mostly a Fender
> >>>Strat Plus with Lace Sensors and a Gibson Les Paul with PAF's. Music
> >>>style is mostly pop-rock, rock, and blues. Good clean tone is more
> >>>preferable than good distortion since I can get good distortion with
> >>>pedals. Although, good of both is ideal. My budget is up to $600.
> >>>I'm considering ADA Rocket A20R (a rare amp--I have a chance to snag
> >>>one), Peavey Classic 30, Fender Pro Jr., and Fender Blues Jr. Which
> >>>one do you recommend? I heard the ADA is very good. Is it way better
> >>>than the others mentioned? Any others worth considering?
> >>>
> >>>Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
> >>>
> >>>Michael L.
> >>>
> >
> >
> > Am I the only person on this NG who when someone mentions playing live
> > doesn't think of the local open mic blues jam and when someone mentions
> > recording doesn't immefiately think of sitting in front of their home
> > computer playing to a drum machine?
> >
> > When I think live I think 1000 capacity venue packed.
> >
> > When i think recording I think pro studio 2" tape.
> >
> > Chris
> >
>
> That's good thinking, but it might be 20 years out of date.
>
> The going got weird, and the weird turned pro.
>
> Especially with respect to "pro studio 2\" tape". And
> you might get a thousand people into a Hard Rock Cafe,
> but...
>
> --
> Les Cargill

What's 20 years out of date?

20 years ago I was 12.
I recorded on 2" tape like 3 years ago.

Chris

 

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"Getting it right in the mix" NEVER works for me.


"Malachi" <malachiLOSETHISTOREPLY@trentes.com> wrote in message
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> What I find myself doing more and more is to record the guitar direct with
> a good preamp clean to a track and then trying various amp simulators to
> get the right sound (in the mix).
>
> Then, if I can't tweak the sound I want with virtual amp models, I send
> the guitar track out to a real live amp and mic the amp (reamping) to get
> the sound I'm looking for.
>
> I use a Fender Cybertwin amp for this purpose. I find that I really don't
> like the sound of this amp with an acutal guitar plugged into it, but for
> some reason it works great for reamping.
>
> malachi
>
>
> "HKC" <henrikkrogh@mail.dk> wrote in message
> news:42e24386$0$27179$edfadb0f@dread14.news.tele.dk...
>>I don't complete disagree with the "DI rocks" statement but there are
>>certain sounds that are hard to get with a simulator. Clean guitars and in
>>many cases heavily distorted guitars can on many occasion sound better
>>using a simulator but everything in between are harder to get. Especially
>>if you´re trying to do only slightly chunchy guitars which will be mixed
>>loudly in the final cut. It's not so much that they sound artificial but
>>more that they simple don't have the same "in your face" feel as the real
>>thing. For those reasons I would pick an amp with a good crunchy sound
>>more than a very versatile one because the rest can be done quite well
>>with a plugin, a Sans amp or some of the equivalents.
>> "U_Natural_ßorn_Þussy" <mister@yourthroat.edu> skrev i en meddelelse
>> news:gHqEe.157925$go.114732@fed1read05...
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> Much to the horror of many a self-aggrandizing amp hustler here-
>>>
>>> For recording, technology has enabled bypass of the guitar amp. IF
>>> you've got the right signal chain, you can go straight into the board
>>> and ROCK.
>>>
>>> Live playing in a large venue, tube amps still rule.
>>>
>>> There's no shortage of hateful geezers in complete denial about this.
>>> Live, laugh, love and TRUST your OWN EARS.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Marc
>>> (Amps: '59 Tweed R.I. Bassman 5F6A, and '80 MusicMan HD210 One*Fifty)
>>> These are completely unnecessary for recording, but fun to record with,
>>> if (Shure SM57) mic'd in a soundproof studio.
>>>
>>> Michael wrote:
>>>> I'm looking for a guitar amp that's good for recording mostly a Fender
>>>> Strat Plus with Lace Sensors and a Gibson Les Paul with PAF's. Music
>>>> style is mostly pop-rock, rock, and blues. Good clean tone is more
>>>> preferable than good distortion since I can get good distortion with
>>>> pedals. Although, good of both is ideal. My budget is up to $600.
>>>> I'm considering ADA Rocket A20R (a rare amp--I have a chance to snag
>>>> one), Peavey Classic 30, Fender Pro Jr., and Fender Blues Jr. Which
>>>> one do you recommend? I heard the ADA is very good. Is it way better
>>>> than the others mentioned? Any others worth considering?
>>>>
>>>> Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
>>>>
>>>> Michael L.
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>

 

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"Michael" <mustang3@mediaone.net> wrote in message
news:1122110826.011590.159430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I'm looking for a guitar amp that's good for recording mostly a Fender
> Strat Plus with Lace Sensors and a Gibson Les Paul with PAF's. Music
> style is mostly pop-rock, rock, and blues. Good clean tone is more
> preferable than good distortion since I can get good distortion with
> pedals. Although, good of both is ideal. My budget is up to $600.
> I'm considering ADA Rocket A20R (a rare amp--I have a chance to snag
> one), Peavey Classic 30, Fender Pro Jr., and Fender Blues Jr. Which
> one do you recommend? I heard the ADA is very good. Is it way better
> than the others mentioned? Any others worth considering?
>
> Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
>

The blues Jr (and the pro jr.) is a must-hear budget choice. You can play
clean or distorted, and the blues jr. has some bells and whistles and both
amps sound very much like a 'classic' Fender amp. You really need to take
your guitar, the way it is set up, and go plug it in to one and see if you
like the way it sounds and interacts with your guitar.

I prefer small amps for recording and both of these work fine. Most of the
tonal variety you get will come from the guitar and anything else in the
chain, IMO as it should be. However, I sometimes use a modelling processor
and these amps are distinctive enough not to work well in that application.
I usually use something with a wider range that a guitar amp for that.

jb

jb

 

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In article <1122110826.011590.159430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Michael" <mustang3@mediaone.net> wrote:

> I'm looking for a guitar amp that's good for recording mostly a Fender
> Strat Plus with Lace Sensors and a Gibson Les Paul with PAF's. Music
> style is mostly pop-rock, rock, and blues. Good clean tone is more
> preferable than good distortion

I am partial to the Soldano Reverb-o-sonic, which has a nicer clean tone
than Fender and the distortion channel is pretty good too. There are
plenty of other so-called boutique amps that you can get used for $600 as
well. Soldano also has some smaller amps that may be around $600 new.

--
Jedd Haas - Artist
http/www.gallerytungsten.com
http/www.antijazz.com
http/www.epsno.com

 

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Egg-sellent ;-)

Les Cargill wrote:
> Guncho wrote:
>
>>
>> Phil Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting that you think 15-30 watt amps are recording amps (unless
>>> you're
>>> in a soundproof studio or don't need to worry about neighbors). I always
>>> think of "recording amps" as a few watts, like the Fargen Bastage
>>> (described
>>> as a recording/bedroom amp, 4 watts) or an Emery Superbaby (6-12 I
>>> think,
>>> depending on which power tube). Me, I'd get an Emery Superbaby (cool
>>> choice
>>> of power tubes) or a THD Univalve (with built-in attenuator) for
>>> recordning.
>>> They're a bit more than your budget though.
>>> --
>>> Phil Wilson
>>>
>>> "Michael" <mustang3@mediaone.net> wrote in message
>>> news:1122110826.011590.159430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> I'm looking for a guitar amp that's good for recording mostly a Fender
>>>> Strat Plus with Lace Sensors and a Gibson Les Paul with PAF's. Music
>>>> style is mostly pop-rock, rock, and blues. Good clean tone is more
>>>> preferable than good distortion since I can get good distortion with
>>>> pedals. Although, good of both is ideal. My budget is up to $600.
>>>> I'm considering ADA Rocket A20R (a rare amp--I have a chance to snag
>>>> one), Peavey Classic 30, Fender Pro Jr., and Fender Blues Jr. Which
>>>> one do you recommend? I heard the ADA is very good. Is it way better
>>>> than the others mentioned? Any others worth considering?
>>>>
>>>> Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
>>>>
>>>> Michael L.
>>>>
>>
>>
>> Am I the only person on this NG who when someone mentions playing live
>> doesn't think of the local open mic blues jam and when someone mentions
>> recording doesn't immefiately think of sitting in front of their home
>> computer playing to a drum machine?
>>
>> When I think live I think 1000 capacity venue packed.
>>
>> When i think recording I think pro studio 2" tape.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>
> That's good thinking, but it might be 20 years out of date.
>
> The going got weird, and the weird turned pro.
>
> Especially with respect to "pro studio 2\" tape". And
> you might get a thousand people into a Hard Rock Cafe,
> but...
>
> --
> Les Cargill

 

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And I was 28. Yer still a punk.

Guncho wrote:
>
> Les Cargill wrote:
>
>>Guncho wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Phil Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Interesting that you think 15-30 watt amps are recording amps (unless you're
>>>>in a soundproof studio or don't need to worry about neighbors). I always
>>>>think of "recording amps" as a few watts, like the Fargen Bastage (described
>>>>as a recording/bedroom amp, 4 watts) or an Emery Superbaby (6-12 I think,
>>>>depending on which power tube). Me, I'd get an Emery Superbaby (cool choice
>>>>of power tubes) or a THD Univalve (with built-in attenuator) for recordning.
>>>>They're a bit more than your budget though.
>>>>--
>>>>Phil Wilson
>>>>
>>>>"Michael" <mustang3@mediaone.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:1122110826.011590.159430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm looking for a guitar amp that's good for recording mostly a Fender
>>>>>Strat Plus with Lace Sensors and a Gibson Les Paul with PAF's. Music
>>>>>style is mostly pop-rock, rock, and blues. Good clean tone is more
>>>>>preferable than good distortion since I can get good distortion with
>>>>>pedals. Although, good of both is ideal. My budget is up to $600.
>>>>>I'm considering ADA Rocket A20R (a rare amp--I have a chance to snag
>>>>>one), Peavey Classic 30, Fender Pro Jr., and Fender Blues Jr. Which
>>>>>one do you recommend? I heard the ADA is very good. Is it way better
>>>>>than the others mentioned? Any others worth considering?
>>>>>
>>>>>Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
>>>>>
>>>>>Michael L.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Am I the only person on this NG who when someone mentions playing live
>>>doesn't think of the local open mic blues jam and when someone mentions
>>>recording doesn't immefiately think of sitting in front of their home
>>>computer playing to a drum machine?
>>>
>>>When I think live I think 1000 capacity venue packed.
>>>
>>>When i think recording I think pro studio 2" tape.
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>
>>That's good thinking, but it might be 20 years out of date.
>>
>>The going got weird, and the weird turned pro.
>>
>>Especially with respect to "pro studio 2\" tape". And
>>you might get a thousand people into a Hard Rock Cafe,
>>but...
>>
>>--
>>Les Cargill
>
>
> What's 20 years out of date?
>
> 20 years ago I was 12.
> I recorded on 2" tape like 3 years ago.
>
> Chris
>

 

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Les Cargill wrote:
> Guncho wrote:
>
> >
> > Les Cargill wrote:
> >
> >>Guncho wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Phil Wilson wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Interesting that you think 15-30 watt amps are recording amps (unless you're
> >>>>in a soundproof studio or don't need to worry about neighbors). I always
> >>>>think of "recording amps" as a few watts, like the Fargen Bastage (described
> >>>>as a recording/bedroom amp, 4 watts) or an Emery Superbaby (6-12 I think,
> >>>>depending on which power tube). Me, I'd get an Emery Superbaby (cool choice
> >>>>of power tubes) or a THD Univalve (with built-in attenuator) for recordning.
> >>>>They're a bit more than your budget though.
> >>>>--
> >>>>Phil Wilson
> >>>>
> >>>>"Michael" <mustang3@mediaone.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:1122110826.011590.159430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I'm looking for a guitar amp that's good for recording mostly a Fender
> >>>>>Strat Plus with Lace Sensors and a Gibson Les Paul with PAF's. Music
> >>>>>style is mostly pop-rock, rock, and blues. Good clean tone is more
> >>>>>preferable than good distortion since I can get good distortion with
> >>>>>pedals. Although, good of both is ideal. My budget is up to $600.
> >>>>>I'm considering ADA Rocket A20R (a rare amp--I have a chance to snag
> >>>>>one), Peavey Classic 30, Fender Pro Jr., and Fender Blues Jr. Which
> >>>>>one do you recommend? I heard the ADA is very good. Is it way better
> >>>>>than the others mentioned? Any others worth considering?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Michael L.
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Am I the only person on this NG who when someone mentions playing live
> >>>doesn't think of the local open mic blues jam and when someone mentions
> >>>recording doesn't immefiately think of sitting in front of their home
> >>>computer playing to a drum machine?
> >>>
> >>>When I think live I think 1000 capacity venue packed.
> >>>
> >>>When i think recording I think pro studio 2" tape.
> >>>
> >>>Chris
> >>>
> >>
> >>That's good thinking, but it might be 20 years out of date.
> >>
> >>The going got weird, and the weird turned pro.
> >>
> >>Especially with respect to "pro studio 2\" tape". And
> >>you might get a thousand people into a Hard Rock Cafe,
> >>but...
> >>
> >>--
> >>Les Cargill
> >
> >
> > What's 20 years out of date?
> >
> > 20 years ago I was 12.
> > I recorded on 2" tape like 3 years ago.
> >
> > Chris
> >
>
> Both concepts - "pro 2\" tape" and "audiences
> of thousands" are not sitting on a solid
> foundation.
>
> Venues are disappearing, and recording stuff is
> rapidly going digital .
>
> Venues are gonna exist if and only if they
> act as an attraction point to sell something
> else. Take the Hard Rock in Orlando - it sells
> hotel rooms, meals, other overpriced Disney
> merch. I doubt very seriously that it
> pulls its own weight.
>
> Likewise 2" tape. The dollar cost of a box of 2",
> if you can get it at all , slipped under
> the dollar cost of a harddisk some time back.
> About three years ago.
>
> Perhaps the 2" will be used as a signal processor,
> but the tracks won't live on 2" as
> an archival medium.
>
> Now, the kidz are not even doign the band thing
> per se - they're looping, deejaying and mp3ing.
>
> --
> Les Cargill

Les

No offence but I think you're out of touch with what's currently going
on in music.

The majority of pro bands are still tracking analog and there are lots
of bands packing venues in Canada at least.

Chris

 

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> "Michael" <mustang3@mediaone.net> wrote in message

> > I'm looking for a guitar amp that's good for recording mostly a Fender
> > Strat Plus with Lace Sensors and a Gibson Les Paul with PAF's. Music
> > style is mostly pop-rock, rock, and blues. Good clean tone is more
> > preferable than good distortion since I can get good distortion with
> > pedals. Although, good of both is ideal. My budget is up to $600.
> > I'm considering ADA Rocket A20R (a rare amp--I have a chance to snag
> > one), Peavey Classic 30, Fender Pro Jr., and Fender Blues Jr. Which
> > one do you recommend? I heard the ADA is very good. Is it way better
> > than the others mentioned? Any others worth considering?

I have good results with my Music Man RD50.
I have 2 of them and they sound different.
Mostly tube with 2 6L6 outputs and a 12AX7
distortion circuit. I normally play a Strat with
Lindy Fralins or DiMarzio stacks but also have other
guitars available including Gibson SG's, a V, and
Hagstroms. They all sound great through the MM.
The clean (solid state) channel is very clean
and Fender-like. The distortion channel is very
usable for blues-rock and sounds better than most
pedals, and can be overdriven further for harder
styles, particularly on the later 'Mid-Shift' version.
Well made amps and the last of the Leo Fender/
George Fullerton/ era Tom Walker designed amps.

The Blues Jr. sounds good for home/studio use IMO
but is somewhat fragile if gigging is a consideration.
I've not played the ADA and don't really care for the Peavey.

rd

 

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Guncho wrote:

>
> Les Cargill wrote:
>
>>Guncho wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Phil Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Interesting that you think 15-30 watt amps are recording amps (unless you're
>>>>in a soundproof studio or don't need to worry about neighbors). I always
>>>>think of "recording amps" as a few watts, like the Fargen Bastage (described
>>>>as a recording/bedroom amp, 4 watts) or an Emery Superbaby (6-12 I think,
>>>>depending on which power tube). Me, I'd get an Emery Superbaby (cool choice
>>>>of power tubes) or a THD Univalve (with built-in attenuator) for recordning.
>>>>They're a bit more than your budget though.
>>>>--
>>>>Phil Wilson
>>>>
>>>>"Michael" <mustang3@mediaone.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:1122110826.011590.159430@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm looking for a guitar amp that's good for recording mostly a Fender
>>>>>Strat Plus with Lace Sensors and a Gibson Les Paul with PAF's. Music
>>>>>style is mostly pop-rock, rock, and blues. Good clean tone is more
>>>>>preferable than good distortion since I can get good distortion with
>>>>>pedals. Although, good of both is ideal. My budget is up to $600.
>>>>>I'm considering ADA Rocket A20R (a rare amp--I have a chance to snag
>>>>>one), Peavey Classic 30, Fender Pro Jr., and Fender Blues Jr. Which
>>>>>one do you recommend? I heard the ADA is very good. Is it way better
>>>>>than the others mentioned? Any others worth considering?
>>>>>
>>>>>Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
>>>>>
>>>>>Michael L.
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Am I the only person on this NG who when someone mentions playing live
>>>doesn't think of the local open mic blues jam and when someone mentions
>>>recording doesn't immefiately think of sitting in front of their home
>>>computer playing to a drum machine?
>>>
>>>When I think live I think 1000 capacity venue packed.
>>>
>>>When i think recording I think pro studio 2" tape.
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>
>>That's good thinking, but it might be 20 years out of date.
>>
>>The going got weird, and the weird turned pro.
>>
>>Especially with respect to "pro studio 2\" tape". And
>>you might get a thousand people into a Hard Rock Cafe,
>>but...
>>
>>--
>>Les Cargill
>
>
> What's 20 years out of date?
>
> 20 years ago I was 12.
> I recorded on 2" tape like 3 years ago.
>
> Chris
>

Both concepts - "pro 2\" tape" and "audiences
of thousands" are not sitting on a solid
foundation.

Venues are disappearing, and recording stuff is
rapidly going digital .

Venues are gonna exist if and only if they
act as an attraction point to sell something
else. Take the Hard Rock in Orlando - it sells
hotel rooms, meals, other overpriced Disney
merch. I doubt very seriously that it
pulls its own weight.

Likewise 2" tape. The dollar cost of a box of 2",
if you can get it at all , slipped under
the dollar cost of a harddisk some time back.
About three years ago.

Perhaps the 2" will be used as a signal processor,
but the tracks won't live on 2" as
an archival medium.

Now, the kidz are not even doign the band thing
per se - they're looping, deejaying and mp3ing.

--
Les Cargill

 

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Hi there,

> The ADA is a very responsive little amp, get it, and it it doesn't do
> everything you need, you can always sell it or get a second amp down the
> road. The Pro JR is a nice little amp, or get a Mesa Boogie 22+ Caliber
> which is a great all around amp with recording out.

Mesa's Caliber is a great, suprisingly versatile little amp with a
great ratio for price/quality. When miked, should be very nice for
recording.

But those 'recording out''s are no good if the sound you are trying to
record has even a bit of overdrive or distortion. Same goes for similar
older Marshall, Fender, or ADA or whatever amps. I just don't know why
they put them in the back of those amps...they just are no good.


Best, Kalle

 

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"Jonny Durango" <jonnydurango1BUSH_FROM_OFFICE@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Michael wrote:
> > I'm looking for a guitar amp that's good for recording mostly a Fender
> > Strat Plus with Lace Sensors and a Gibson Les Paul with PAF's. Music
> > style is mostly pop-rock, rock, and blues. Good clean tone is more
> > preferable than good distortion since I can get good distortion with
> > pedals. Although, good of both is ideal. My budget is up to $600.
> > I'm considering ADA Rocket A20R (a rare amp--I have a chance to snag
> > one), Peavey Classic 30, Fender Pro Jr., and Fender Blues Jr. Which
> > one do you recommend? I heard the ADA is very good. Is it way better
> > than the others mentioned? Any others worth considering?
> >
> > Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Michael L.
> >
>
> I consider myself a guitarist as well as an audio engineer...but
> definately a guitarist before anything....the BEST sounding amp I've
> ever found by far is the Dr. Z Carmen Ghia ....it's also a very small
> amp...I think only about 15-20 watts. I've heard that other Dr. Z amps
> such as the Maz series and others sound just as good or better. I could
> not find one single flaw with this amp. The tone controls truly "shape"
> the tone and not "warp" it.....I swear it is impossible to make this amp
> sound harsh and brittle or muddy and dull.....the tone knob sweeps from
> round and bassy to crisp and sparkly....really I can't recommend this
> amp enough.
>
> Anyhow, I truly believe that a great sound "on tape" starts with a great
> sound in the ears. So if the amp sounds great and you're a mildly
> compotent engineer you'll get a great recording. Anyhow, just my $.02
>
> Jonny Durango

The Zs are absolutely fabulous amps, but very expensive. You might, if
you're lucky, find a Ghia in the used market for 650-750.

 

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"Roger Christie charter.net>" <rochrist@<REMOVETOEMAIL> wrote in message
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> The Zs are absolutely fabulous amps, but very expensive. You might, if
> you're lucky, find a Ghia in the used market for 650-750.
>
Compared to a Peavey, I'd agree with you, but the Z's are *not* expensive
when compared to other 'boutique' amplifiers. No way. Check out a comparable
Bad Cat, or Carr. Z's have gotten pricier recently than they used to be, but
still not bad the last time I looked, considering.

 

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Capt. Spaulding wrote:
> "Roger Christie charter.net>" <rochrist@<REMOVETOEMAIL> wrote in message
> news:Zd8Fe.5726$U%6.2226@fe05.lga...
> <snip>
>
>>The Zs are absolutely fabulous amps, but very expensive. You might, if
>>you're lucky, find a Ghia in the used market for 650-750.
>>
>
> Compared to a Peavey, I'd agree with you, but the Z's are *not* expensive
> when compared to other 'boutique' amplifiers. No way. Check out a comparable
> Bad Cat, or Carr. Z's have gotten pricier recently than they used to be, but
> still not bad the last time I looked, considering.
>
>

Yep, I agree....the Z's are by no means cheap, but they certainly aren't
overpriced, especially considering the sound quality. I'll put it this
way, I've played a lot of amps that were twice as expensive and sounded
half as good!

Jonny Durango

 

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email_kalle@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> > The ADA is a very responsive little amp, get it, and it it doesn't do
> > everything you need, you can always sell it or get a second amp down the
> > road. The Pro JR is a nice little amp, or get a Mesa Boogie 22+ Caliber
> > which is a great all around amp with recording out.
>
> Mesa's Caliber is a great, suprisingly versatile little amp with a
> great ratio for price/quality. When miked, should be very nice for
> recording.
>
> But those 'recording out''s are no good if the sound you are trying to
> record has even a bit of overdrive or distortion. Same goes for similar
> older Marshall, Fender, or ADA or whatever amps. I just don't know why
> they put them in the back of those amps...they just are no good.
>
> Best, Kalle

I'm looking at a schematic of a 22+, the recording out is after the
output xfmr, so you get a padded version of what the speaker gets. I
agree micing generally gets better results, and direct outs are a
different flavor.

 

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<genericaudioperson@hotmail.com> wrote in message >
> i would troll the used market for a used all-tube combo amp. the original
> CBS Fender "blackface" Deluxe Reverb is great for recording
> (they are from about 1965-1958). really nice clean sound, and when you
> crank it, it will saturate for some nice blues leads.
>
> if youl looked around, they used to be had for $750. but i haven't priced
> the vintage market in a while.

Your recommendation for a Deluxe Reverb for tone is accurate, but you are
way off what they are now running on the used market. A BF Deluxe Reverb in
good shape is going to run you $2,000 to $3,000 depending on where you are,
and what the condition is of the amp. A Silver Face can still be
occasionally had for under $1,000, but that is even rare these days.

See ya,
John

 

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"joe mama" <dmoss74@hotmail.com> wrote in message >
> Save yourself some dough, and get yourself a silverface Fender Champ, or
> Vibro-Champ. I have been recording a lot lately, and these amps are
> indespensible. .
>

Clapton on Layla was an old Champ, and they are used quite commonly today.
It is a SF Champ that has been turned into a Tweed Clone that I use most of
the time around the house, and I've mic'd it and used it in a band
situation, but for that, I would usually use my BF Deluxe Reverb.

See ya,
John