Recording solo jazz guitar

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I just got through putting together a demo of my wallpaper jazz guitar
playing - solo ballads like Darn That Dream. I had eleven tracks
recorded over a couple of months, using the same basic setup, but
different mics. An LD condenser, usually 18" out from the Raezer's
Edge Twin 8 cab, aimed right at the center of one of the speaker
cones, an SD aimed at about 12th fret of Guild Artist Award or
Barrington Archtop, Countryman DI straight to the board (Akai DSP 24).

Mixed it with about 10-20% of the acoustic mic, the rest about equally
divided between the amp mic and the DI, added some Sony R-7 reverb,
some EQ to notch out the string squeak on the acoustic track, and a
bit of multiband compressor on the Akai at mixdown. All the tracks
sounded at least OK as far the the recording (the performance is
another matter. Let's not go there, other than to say that the Akai
has wonderful easy-to-used editing functions). One mix however jumped
out as just sounding wonderful. The mics?

The envelope, please.


Amp: Marshall V69ME through Grace 101 preamp

Guitar: Beyer M-160 through John Hardy M-1.

Others that were used on other tracks included AKG 414BULS, Shure M32,
Marshall V57, Shure SM-81, SM-57 (on the amp), AT 4050.


Willie K. Yee, M.D. http/users.bestweb.net/~wkyee
Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http/www.pkc.com
Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http/www.bigbluebigband.org

 

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That's the classic old jazz guitar sound, a ribbon mic on an archtop
guitar, I'm not suprised you that liked it.

Al

On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:08:57 GMT, wkyee@bestweb.netttttttttttttttt
(Willie K.Yee, M.D.) wrote:

>I just got through putting together a demo of my wallpaper jazz guitar
>playing - solo ballads like Darn That Dream. I had eleven tracks
>recorded over a couple of months, using the same basic setup, but
>different mics. An LD condenser, usually 18" out from the Raezer's
>Edge Twin 8 cab, aimed right at the center of one of the speaker
>cones, an SD aimed at about 12th fret of Guild Artist Award or
>Barrington Archtop, Countryman DI straight to the board (Akai DSP 24).
>
>Mixed it with about 10-20% of the acoustic mic, the rest about equally
>divided between the amp mic and the DI, added some Sony R-7 reverb,
>some EQ to notch out the string squeak on the acoustic track, and a
>bit of multiband compressor on the Akai at mixdown. All the tracks
>sounded at least OK as far the the recording (the performance is
>another matter. Let's not go there, other than to say that the Akai
>has wonderful easy-to-used editing functions). One mix however jumped
>out as just sounding wonderful. The mics?
>
>The envelope, please.
>
>
>Amp: Marshall V69ME through Grace 101 preamp
>
>Guitar: Beyer M-160 through John Hardy M-1.
>
>Others that were used on other tracks included AKG 414BULS, Shure M32,
>Marshall V57, Shure SM-81, SM-57 (on the amp), AT 4050.
>
>
>Willie K. Yee, M.D. http/users.bestweb.net/~wkyee
>Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http/www.pkc.com
>Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http/www.bigbluebigband.org

 

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"play on" <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> That's the classic old jazz guitar sound, a ribbon mic on an archtop
> guitar, I'm not suprised you that liked it.
>
Yeah, though I've honestly had better luck (at least, recording a couple of
wonderful old Strombergs) with some variant of a U47 pointed at the lower
back bout of the instrument. I also remember a seminar where Bruce Swedien
said that he used a 47 on Freddie Green's guitar when he recorded the Basie
Band in 1960.
--
Dave Martin
DMA, Inc
Nashville, TN

 

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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:34:05 -0800, play on <playonAT@comcast.net>
wrote:

>That's the classic old jazz guitar sound, a ribbon mic on an archtop
>guitar, I'm not suprised you that liked it.

One thing I found interesting, was that the acoustic track alone
sounded better with an SM-81. The ribbon did not sound right. However,
in the mix, the reverse was true. The SM-81 was too edgy.

>
>Al
>
>On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:08:57 GMT, wkyee@bestweb.netttttttttttttttt
>(Willie K.Yee, M.D.) wrote:
>
>>I just got through putting together a demo of my wallpaper jazz guitar
>>playing - solo ballads like Darn That Dream. I had eleven tracks
>>recorded over a couple of months, using the same basic setup, but
>>different mics. An LD condenser, usually 18" out from the Raezer's
>>Edge Twin 8 cab, aimed right at the center of one of the speaker
>>cones, an SD aimed at about 12th fret of Guild Artist Award or
>>Barrington Archtop, Countryman DI straight to the board (Akai DSP 24).
>>
>>Mixed it with about 10-20% of the acoustic mic, the rest about equally
>>divided between the amp mic and the DI, added some Sony R-7 reverb,
>>some EQ to notch out the string squeak on the acoustic track, and a
>>bit of multiband compressor on the Akai at mixdown. All the tracks
>>sounded at least OK as far the the recording (the performance is
>>another matter. Let's not go there, other than to say that the Akai
>>has wonderful easy-to-used editing functions). One mix however jumped
>>out as just sounding wonderful. The mics?
>>
>>The envelope, please.
>>
>>
>>Amp: Marshall V69ME through Grace 101 preamp
>>
>>Guitar: Beyer M-160 through John Hardy M-1.
>>
>>Others that were used on other tracks included AKG 414BULS, Shure M32,
>>Marshall V57, Shure SM-81, SM-57 (on the amp), AT 4050.
>>
>>
>>Willie K. Yee, M.D. http/users.bestweb.net/~wkyee
>>Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http/www.pkc.com
>>Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http/www.bigbluebigband.org
>

Willie K. Yee, M.D. http/users.bestweb.net/~wkyee
Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http/www.pkc.com
Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http/www.bigbluebigband.org

 

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On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 01:11:39 GMT, wkyee@bestweb.netttttttttttttttt
(Willie K.Yee, M.D.) wrote:

>On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 15:34:05 -0800, play on <playonAT@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>That's the classic old jazz guitar sound, a ribbon mic on an archtop
>>guitar, I'm not suprised you that liked it.
>
>One thing I found interesting, was that the acoustic track alone
>sounded better with an SM-81. The ribbon did not sound right. However,
>in the mix, the reverse was true. The SM-81 was too edgy.

Well thw Beyer M-160 is kind of different for a ribbon, it's a
hyper-card, and it doesn't have a lot of low end. I just bought an
older L-5 and I'll be interested to see how different mics sound with
it.

Al

>
>>
>>Al
>>
>>On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:08:57 GMT, wkyee@bestweb.netttttttttttttttt
>>(Willie K.Yee, M.D.) wrote:
>>
>>>I just got through putting together a demo of my wallpaper jazz guitar
>>>playing - solo ballads like Darn That Dream. I had eleven tracks
>>>recorded over a couple of months, using the same basic setup, but
>>>different mics. An LD condenser, usually 18" out from the Raezer's
>>>Edge Twin 8 cab, aimed right at the center of one of the speaker
>>>cones, an SD aimed at about 12th fret of Guild Artist Award or
>>>Barrington Archtop, Countryman DI straight to the board (Akai DSP 24).
>>>
>>>Mixed it with about 10-20% of the acoustic mic, the rest about equally
>>>divided between the amp mic and the DI, added some Sony R-7 reverb,
>>>some EQ to notch out the string squeak on the acoustic track, and a
>>>bit of multiband compressor on the Akai at mixdown. All the tracks
>>>sounded at least OK as far the the recording (the performance is
>>>another matter. Let's not go there, other than to say that the Akai
>>>has wonderful easy-to-used editing functions). One mix however jumped
>>>out as just sounding wonderful. The mics?
>>>
>>>The envelope, please.
>>>
>>>
>>>Amp: Marshall V69ME through Grace 101 preamp
>>>
>>>Guitar: Beyer M-160 through John Hardy M-1.
>>>
>>>Others that were used on other tracks included AKG 414BULS, Shure M32,
>>>Marshall V57, Shure SM-81, SM-57 (on the amp), AT 4050.
>>>
>>>
>>>Willie K. Yee, M.D. http/users.bestweb.net/~wkyee
>>>Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http/www.pkc.com
>>>Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http/www.bigbluebigband.org
>>
>
>Willie K. Yee, M.D. http/users.bestweb.net/~wkyee
>Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http/www.pkc.com
>Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http/www.bigbluebigband.org

 

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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 21:13:13 -0800, play on <playonAT@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Well thw Beyer M-160 is kind of different for a ribbon, it's a
>hyper-card, and it doesn't have a lot of low end.

Keeps it from getting boomy, mitigating proximity effect?

> I just bought an
>older L-5 and I'll be interested to see how different mics sound with
>it.
>
>Al
>
>>
>>>
>>>Al
>>>
>>>On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 22:08:57 GMT, wkyee@bestweb.netttttttttttttttt
>>>(Willie K.Yee, M.D.) wrote:
>>>
>>>>I just got through putting together a demo of my wallpaper jazz guitar
>>>>playing - solo ballads like Darn That Dream. I had eleven tracks
>>>>recorded over a couple of months, using the same basic setup, but
>>>>different mics. An LD condenser, usually 18" out from the Raezer's
>>>>Edge Twin 8 cab, aimed right at the center of one of the speaker
>>>>cones, an SD aimed at about 12th fret of Guild Artist Award or
>>>>Barrington Archtop, Countryman DI straight to the board (Akai DSP 24).
>>>>
>>>>Mixed it with about 10-20% of the acoustic mic, the rest about equally
>>>>divided between the amp mic and the DI, added some Sony R-7 reverb,
>>>>some EQ to notch out the string squeak on the acoustic track, and a
>>>>bit of multiband compressor on the Akai at mixdown. All the tracks
>>>>sounded at least OK as far the the recording (the performance is
>>>>another matter. Let's not go there, other than to say that the Akai
>>>>has wonderful easy-to-used editing functions). One mix however jumped
>>>>out as just sounding wonderful. The mics?
>>>>
>>>>The envelope, please.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Amp: Marshall V69ME through Grace 101 preamp
>>>>
>>>>Guitar: Beyer M-160 through John Hardy M-1.
>>>>
>>>>Others that were used on other tracks included AKG 414BULS, Shure M32,
>>>>Marshall V57, Shure SM-81, SM-57 (on the amp), AT 4050.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Willie K. Yee, M.D. http/users.bestweb.net/~wkyee
>>>>Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http/www.pkc.com
>>>>Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http/www.bigbluebigband.org
>>>
>>
>>Willie K. Yee, M.D. http/users.bestweb.net/~wkyee
>>Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http/www.pkc.com
>>Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http/www.bigbluebigband.org
>

Willie K. Yee, M.D. http/users.bestweb.net/~wkyee
Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http/www.pkc.com
Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http/www.bigbluebigband.org