Why Nokia's Patents Won't Save The Company

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[citation][nom]chick0n[/nom]Not working? Why not ?look at Rambus ! They are totally garbage but they still survive ![/citation]

They basically sat in on the talks about DDR and ran out to patent the technology as the companies were designing it. So when it was in use it the industry, they sprung the trap. BAM.

The problem is that you can patent ideas and a "software process" without even coming up with a product or use, then sit on it till someone does, and BAM... you win.

This is very bad for the industry, but no one wants to be the first to push for it since companies use this as a weapon against other companies. Even big companies like IBM who had originally wanted to be against this practice had to fall back to using it since other companies were fighting against them with huge patent portfolios. I wager big giant patent troll portfolio shell companies ( Some owned by Microsoft/MS employees) would retaliate with impunity.

The worst part is some industry trade groups want to make other countries adopt this bad practice. It only gets the lawyers rich at the expense of everyone else, and creates barriers to entry or even survivability.

A company can let a smaller company get off the ground and then say "hey, you infringe on all these patents, pay us this money, or give us exclusive license to your tech or else we'll sue you out of the universe, and then take it anyway."

Its happened many times before.
 
Correct, Apple does many things better than Nokia. However, stealing is not right. We are now talking about patents covering technologies developed by Nokia that further on became industry standards. Everybody in mobile industry pays Nokia for them except for Apple. When you own a patent on open standards, you can not charge much of them but you are not expected to give away your IP for free either. Apple behaves like a person with narsistic personality disorder, believing it is entitled to anything it may want in the world and that laws and moral are something concerning others.
 
[citation][nom]LuckyDucky7[/nom]Android + Nokia = Actual relevant products that consumers in the States will buy[/citation]
Said it before and i'll say it again

The USA comprises 5% of the worlds population and it's a saturated market

Stop loving yourself so much, because you aren't as important as you think you are
 
"Nokia would be better off investing its time and money in R&D and creating exciting products." COLGeek

Dissuading Nokia from suing Apple sounds exactly what you were doing...

As much as I hate the entire notion of intellectual property, it's pretty obvious that earning a fat stock portfolio utilizing others' patent portfolio with minimal personal research outside aesthetics is a pretty shady thing to do.

But instead of playing a fair game, Apple lawyer-ed up, sued everyone they could, and now thinks they have the balls to get away with stealing thanks to their mighty mighty legal team.

And then all the Apple fans jump to their defense like Apple's infallible.

Apple did something wrong.
Their tactics of suing everyone they could, even someone trying to put an i in front of something speaks much of their tactics.
I hope Nokia sues them for a fat chunk of their illegitimate money, so that maybe they'll learn some humility at the least.
 
[citation][nom]LuckyDucky7[/nom]Android + Nokia = Actual relevant products that consumers in the States will buy.Otherwise, nobody cares.Windows 7 Phone isn't good enough.Android is.[/citation]

I own an Android Galaxy S phone, its fine OS - the hardware support is lacking.
The WP7 is actually quite good. The buttons (tiles) are a lot bigger and is rather interesting. But I don't generally like MS products and WP7 is too new... Android pretty much copied much of Apples interface with the same 4x4 icons for apps, etc.

I also have an iPad, which works extremely well.

Give credit where credit is due.

 
[citation][nom]irh_1974[/nom]Said it before and i'll say it againThe USA comprises 5% of the worlds population and it's a saturated marketStop loving yourself so much, because you aren't as important as you think you are[/citation]

Don't attack all of us Americans. I happen to have a state of the art Nokia 2600c-2b. Okay, it's not state of the art by any stretch of the imagination, but I can attest to its build quality. I have dropped it from my roof. Dropped it in a swamp fishing. It's hit our tile floor countless times. And it's over 3 years old, but the battery lasts 2 weeks at a time. I think it's the smartest phone around to be honest.
 
Mr Gruener did you ever think for a moment that Apple's modus operandi is NOT to research frivolous stuff like "patents" and instead go ahead full steam on creating gadgets? The way I see it, Apple goes ahead developing something, not wasting crucial market time investigating thousands of entangled patents and settles later after it has reached success. It has done so many times before, you just mentioned it yourself in your eulogy above. Why should they get away with it, if it is true that they do not give a rat's ass about other's investments ?
 
[citation][nom]irh_1974[/nom]Said it before and i'll say it againThe USA comprises 5% of the worlds population and it's a saturated marketStop loving yourself so much, because you aren't as important as you think you are[/citation]

Dude, USA consists of ~ 25% of the entire world's market. Think about it. For better or worse, right now, the US is the single largest and most important market in the world. The market may or may not be over saturated, but considering the amount of cell phones sold in the US every day, it hardly seems to be saturated.

Putting aside all the faults that exists in the US and with its foreign policy, in many respects it is easily the single most important nation in the world today. There is nothing good or bad about it, it just is. Also, I agree, cocky Americans who think they are better than every other nation in the world in everything are moronic jerks.
 
one interesting point brought out in the article is Nokia doesn't understand its own patents. it should also continue to make its own OS so it can innovate both HW and SW together as a whole, like Apple is doing. Nokia neglected the OS. Now it's giving control of this crucial part to another party. if WP7 fails, Nokia will go down also.
 
Nokia following Apple? WHAT?!

Mr. Gruener, Nokia made smartphones before the concept was even born. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, SIR?! Research a little before giving those statements, PLEASE.

The Nokia 9000 was made in the 90s and it was pretty much a computer itself (comparing it to it's time and tech). And not only that, it didn't break like todays phones; you could kill a person with one 😛

All that Apple did in this age/era is that they re-vamped phone computing; we all knew Nokia sucked at Marketing and prolly still does, but don't tell us Nokia can't do R&D, nor they're a "lazy" company trying to be a patent troll. Just like you said, if they can make money out of it, why not? It's the name of the game, like it or not. I won't cheer for any patent troll, but that is to be seen if Nokia is trying to be one. I doubt it, but we'll see.

Cheers!
 
I should shut up, but I just can't help myself.
a) Nokia makes the best phone HW
b) M$ has more resources than other phone companies totals sales are combined
c) Win 8, WP8 and Office integration with company controllability and security are the goals of the project. In the long term eg. 2012 they should have products that will simply eat up RIM alive and severly bite other players. Top WP8 phones will be the only ones to be accepted by Big companies and medium phones will catch up on features like IE did against NetScape. M$ can and will do it. Nokia backs the plan up on excellent HW and also Nokia shares will huge profit when thay kick out Meego and Symbian 60 developers5 figures number of SW people. Germany will suffer little but Finland more. Shareholders (like me) will end up dancing on the table and jumping of joy.

Google Adroid will hold

Tablet-phones should dominate, but will not :´-(

Don't believe everything written on April 1st...
 
Is this the first time i am reading such a stupid post? WHAT THE HELL U PEOPLE THINK????
LOOK AT NOKIA WP7 PROTOTYPES. THEY LOOK IMMENSELY PROMISING. MORE PROMISING THAN WHAT MEEGO LOOKED LIKE.................I LOVE MY GALAXY S BUT I DON'T THINK NOKIA IS GOING TO LET THE SAMRTPHONE MARKET SLIP COMPLETELY OUT OF THEIR HANDS WHICH THEY HAD RULED FOR SO MANY YEARS.

I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO MEEGO AND WP7 PHONES FROM NOKIA AND AT THE RATE AT WHICH APPS ARE BEING DEVELOPED FOR WP7 . I THINK SUCCESS LOOKS LIKE THIS!!!!!!!! GO NOKIA
 
[citation][nom]vistaman123[/nom]Is this the first time i am reading such a stupid post? WHAT THE HELL U PEOPLE THINK????LOOK AT NOKIA WP7 PROTOTYPES. THEY LOOK IMMENSELY PROMISING. MORE PROMISING THAN WHAT MEEGO LOOKED LIKE.................I LOVE MY GALAXY S BUT I DON'T THINK NOKIA IS GOING TO LET THE SAMRTPHONE MARKET SLIP COMPLETELY OUT OF THEIR HANDS WHICH THEY HAD RULED FOR SO MANY YEARS.I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO MEEGO AND WP7 PHONES FROM NOKIA AND AT THE RATE AT WHICH APPS ARE BEING DEVELOPED FOR WP7 . I THINK SUCCESS LOOKS LIKE THIS!!!!!!!! GO NOKIA[/citation]

You lost me at VISTAman123...
 
[citation][nom]bayouboy[/nom]Dude, USA consists of ~ 25% of the entire world's market.[/citation]

I think you're mistaking it for China there, buddy. More mobile phone users than the population of US.

I notice that the Americans here are thinking that they're more important than anyone else here. Reality Check: Hundreds of millions, potentially billions of users around the world make less than the cost of one iPhone/Android device in a whole year! Given that, why would they spend their annual income on a flashy phone that won't be useful for what they need, an actual phone? Nokia handsets focus on practicality and can last years with a battery that lasts days if not weeks.

I personally dislike Nokia but I respect them for making what billions around the globe can afford. The cheapest Android phone out there still costs $99. The cheapest Symbian, literally $10. Symbian phones lasts weeks on one charge. Androids last days.
 
I've said this before: Steve Jobs is not creative and he has not said he is particularly creative. Steve feels he has "good taste" and a knack for blending an artistic touch with technology that results in great products - in an esthetic way - not necessarily in a technical way.
 
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