Apple Asked for Probe into Stolen iPhone

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The person that found the phone tried to give it to apple and apple thought it was a chines knockoff and didn't take it so it wasn't stolen. It was rightfully his.
 
[citation][nom]joeflo97[/nom]not leaked...stolen, sold, and tampered with. If someone steals my property,, i'd ask for a probe at minimum.[/citation]

if u see a hundred dollar bill on the ground, I am 99.999999% sure u will just pick that shit up and stick it into your pocket.

so yeah kiss my ass jackass.
 
Not to mention the idiot took a prototype out of the office. How stupid can you be. That right there should be more then enough grounds to fire the guy. What proof do you have it was actually stolen, none.. It may not have been properly returned like it should've but to say stolen is rather harsh.

All parties in this are in the wrong, Apple employee most of all, or apple itself if it don't have rules about taking prototypes out of the office. This should be a simple matter of apple getting the phone back, and then everything else should simply go away plain and simple.
 
[citation][nom]vant[/nom]Apple asked police to investigate the purchase of lost property. I don't see anything wrong with that. It was the police who raided the home, not Apple.Any company would do the same, I'm not sure why anyone would think Apple is any different.[/citation]

does the phone saids its property of Apple ?

I bet Cops wouldn't raid someone's home if my friend's "lost/someone steal his Ventu Ferrari phone. which worth a lot more than that 5K Apple iGarbage prototype.
 
Who in the world would take a top secret prototype out of the office? And second, it's not worth the time or money to mess with Apple. Should have been smart to just contact someone at Apple, meet somewhere secretly, and return the thing for a reward. Apple will be happy, and your life is freed from the legal ramifications.
 
I really dislike apple, they are champions of the mediocre gadget that they market for people who dont have a clue.
 
After the person from the bar attempted to return it to Apple, and Apple refused, they forfeited ownership of the device to the man.

Lawfully owning it, he then sold it to Gizmodo.

Where's the criminal activity?
 
If someone leaves a phone at a bar and you grab it and sell it, instead of returning it...if you take something that isn't yours its called stealing.
Calling me a jackass may have made you feel better...but not right.
Oh and CChick....if I see someone drop a $100 bill and I take it...stealing. Your argument is an ethical one..not legal.
 
This were never a regular iPhone and everybody involved recognized that. The guy who took it at the bar and Jason Chen too. You just don't publish that you bought a $5000 regular iPhone from someone because you are dumb and you want to share that with the world. So Jason did something really dumb here and he was aware, he just couldn't resist to publish the information.

What manny of you are saying is that you agree to do that and what? will you do it again? will you be a part on something like this in the future with Apple or any other company involved? Well, you may be involved in a police investigation and you will have to explain your very personal vision to a judge inside a court room.

Where is the criminal activity?
Do something like this and ask this question to the judge in front of you

And why do you think that if you find something is yours?
That is exactly why you need police and laws

If you find a rare and valuable phone you just try to contact the owner. Manny times people returns to the place and ask for their property. And you have an explicit law there in California.

The civilization depends on trust. There is not enough police members to take care of everything.

You say because you hate Apple or someone else this is the way to go?

How do you lose your property? How do you agree to pay $5000 from dubious people and activities and then ask for your rights to be protected? Protected from the owner?
 
So it's offical that police raided Chen because Apple asked them to? I'm entirely unsurprised. Why's that? It's because Chen's perfectly innocent of any crime, and I'd bet you all that the District Attorney, county judge, and police chief ALL recognized this. Hence, they didn't bother wasting time with what would be a dead-end investigation, but they felt compelled when someone (namely, Steve Jobs) raised a fuss.

Unlike 99.999999% of those paying attention to the case (and likely the entirety of Apple, Inc. too) I actually went and LOOKED at California law. Specifically, the applicable piece is section 485 (and 487a, to a lesser extent) of California Penal Code. This is what defines larceny as a crime. (California groups all such actions under two charges, being "theft" for misdemeanors, and "grand theft" for felonies)

However, section 485 EXPLICITLY states, as I will provide for everyone's benefit: "One who finds lost property under circumstances which give him knowledge of or means of inquiry as to the true owner, and who appropriates such property to his own use, or to the use of another person not entitled thereto, without first making reasonable and just efforts to find the owner and to restore the property to him, is guilty of theft." (emphasis mine)

Now, HOW did the story go? If memory serves, the first thing the 'finder' did was attempt to contact Apple about it. Bingo, right there, FIRST THING, what would be every reasonable and just effort: they contacted the original owner directly. And what did Apple do? Quite naturally, they blew the guy off. A representative of Apple had basically just told him it wasn't Apple's phone. So right there: the finder had done really all they could do. Legally, he could now dispose of the phone as he wished, and not be guilty of theft. Legally, the phone hence could no longer be considered "stolen".

Hence, as the finder was absolved of their obligation to make 'reasonable and just efforts' to restore the property to Apple, they legally were allowed to sell it. Similarly, as it hence wasn't stolen, Gizmodo is legally in the clear for purchasing the iPhone, and disassembling it. Now, it's an option question of whether, once Apple's higher ups caught wind and laid claim to it, Chen was obligated to return it THEN. However, it's a moot point, since he did return it immediately upon request; better (legally) safe than sorry.

Hence, this is really disconcerting what's happened to Mr. Chen. Because the phone was not stolen, and no one will be able to prove that it WAS stolen in a Court of law, the warrant used to raid his home, damage his home, and steal his property is invalid. Hence, he's quite possibly had his fourth Amendment rights violated. I won't say for certain if they were, since that'll go on a much hazier debate, which will hinge upon how much 'speculation' is allowed.

But one thing's for certain: Apple certainly dropped the ball here, in every way imagineable. And no matter the result, it's going to be a huge publicity embarassment for them; the entire tech world is now PAINFULLY aware that inside the minds of their gray-haired suits, Apple has a VERY distinct, mafia-esque thug mindset. For them, strong-arm tactics are perfectly valid against any perceived as a threat to their company or to Steve Jobs. And pesky things like laws can't be allowed to get in the way.
 
[citation][nom]killerchickens[/nom]The person that found the phone tried to give it to apple and apple thought it was a chines knockoff and didn't take it so it wasn't stolen. It was rightfully his.[/citation]
For those who find my above comment of the "too long; didn't read" variety, this person here is exactly right. Under Califnornia law, (CA Penal Code, S485) the phone rightfuly came to belong to the finder once Apple denied it was theirs.
 
Please don't post or say anything if you don't know or haven't read the full story. All the stories are are just so far "he said she said". There is no proof yet. But going by the posted stories on the internet, READ PEOPLE READ, here's what we know:

1) Said Apple Engineer "Lost" said Apple iPhone at a public place.
2) Said Person "A" found it, looked at the contents and saw said Apple Engineer's name.
3) Person "A" next day tried to get the person who owns the Apple iPhone, but Apple already sent signals to "Brick" the lost iPhone.
4) Person "A", now doesn't know who to contact, calls Apple (which dept....I don't know).
5) Apple tells Person "A"....what he/she has is a fake China Knock-off of the iPhone.
6) Person "A", (Person "A" might have given the phone to Person "B") sells the phone to Gizmodo for $5000.
7) Jason Chen and company opens up the phone and finds out it is the up and comming Apple 4G phone.
8) Gizmodo publishes info of what they know of the new phone.
9) Apple contacts Jason Chen and says that Apple would like the phone back. Jason Chen gives the phone back.

Given that scneario above, here's what I like to comment on:
#1 - I honestly believe the Apple Engineer had a brain fart and too much to drink at the public place...its a Bar from what we know.
#2 - Person "A" claimed to have found it and it could be true. But the Apple Engineer reported it to the police as stolen. You be the judge....Bar..beer..drinks....stolen phone? Me, personally, if I found a lost device such as an iPhone, I'd probably too wasted to try to contact that person who's name is the on the phone that night or day. I'd probably do the same as Person "A" did and wait until "I" had time. Its not my fault someone lost (for now) thier phone.
#3,#4,#5 and #6 combined - Even me, if I called Apple or any company and said.."Yo, I have an awkward looking product that looks like is yours and I have never seen such looking device from you before" AND then Apple or any Comapany tells me its a Chinese Knock-off...I'd probably think to myself, "well, I can't get this thing to turn on now (because its been bricked) to contact the owner and the so called Comapany that I think owns this device says its not thiers...oh well its a paper weight". Ofcourse, then I show it to Jason Chen and he wants to buy it from me for $5000...I'd be like "HELL YEAH!!!" as well too - wouldn't any of you?
#7, #8, and #9 - At this point, regardless if Jason Chen and company knew it was the new iPhone 4G, there is not proof or way to prove they knew it. No one has ever seen an Apple 4G in the wild. I am sure Gizmodo had some type of clue...but like a media outlet, its the explicit news and a chance of "Gizmodo only" scoop. What and how Gizmodo published is a different matter. Then for Gizmodo to turn over the phone back to Apple effortlessly and nicely only for Jason Chen to get his place Raided? - you be the judge.

After all that, my opinion....its all Apple's fault because its thier Engineer who "Lost" the phone in the first place. Not only that, Apple denied it was thier property. What would you have done? I wouldn't be wasting no more than 10 minutes of my life trying to return the phone once its been bricked and denied. Then for Apple to ask for a probe? How come we don't get that presidential treatment?

Its all Apple's own doing. Period.
 
[citation][nom]jecastej[/nom]This were never a regular iPhone and everybody involved recognized that.[/citation]
I agree with you but, how do you prove that? For all we know, I could find Chinese Knock-off iPhone looking like phone and it could be the next iPhone 5G.

[citation][nom]jecastej[/nom]That is exactly why you need police and lawsIf you find a rare and valuable phone you just try to contact the owner. Manny times people returns to the place and ask for their property. And you have an explicit law there in California.The civilization depends on trust. There is not enough police members to take care of everything. You say because you hate Apple or someone else this is the way to go?How do you lose your property? How do you agree to pay $5000 from dubious people and activities and then ask for your rights to be protected? Protected from the owner?[/citation]
Read "nottheking"'s post.

nottheking - I'd +100 Thumbs up you if I could. You couldn't have stated it better in your post before mine.

And for those who think whoever found the phone, it was his responsibility to go on a quest for the rest of his life to find the rightful owner of the phone.....needs to stop watching the Brady Bunch.

[citation][nom]vant[/nom]Apple asked police to investigate the purchase of lost property. I don't see anything wrong with that. It was the police who raided the home, not Apple.Any company would do the same, I'm not sure why anyone would think Apple is any different.[/citation]
If find your logic flawed. The first thing the police should have done is investigate how did the Apple Engineer loose the phone in the first place. If I was the police after finding out it was at the bar...I would have just told Apple, "you should put your pets on a leash. That way you don't loose your stuff".
 
Apple, great marketing, etc.. the usual stuff.

But Apple YOU are STUPID big time. You guys got a weeks worth of FREE publicity of a new iPhone which now looks like a MacbookPro. Then you get the Police to RAID a guy's place when its PUBLIC knowledge that the finder tried to contact you?

The Daily Show and everyone else (including Apple Fanboys) thinks what you did was WRONG, you used the cops to break in and steal a guys computers and whatever.

While BAD publicity is still desired, this is pretty sh*tty of you guys.

Expect some YOutube and Flash videos MAKING more fun of Apple for their stupidity. Anything bad that is said about Apple in this subject is well deserved.

 
The main legal issue here is that the person that did find the phone made an effort to return it; by refusing to accept it Apple made the phone his. Isn't it wonderful how those with the money can now blatantly have the US law enforcement work as their bitches, not even trying to hide it anymore.
 
My question is that if it is really THIS sensitive, why was it allowed to leave the building? Apple, you screwed up, take it as a lesson learned and change your policies. Quit acting like a spoiled 5 yr old!
 
Good god Apple, I don't even think Microsoft would go this far.

A round of Applause (or Applesauce) for Apple for being the most evil company yet!
 
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