Apple Pulls ''Gay Cure'' App Following Complaints

[enforcer22]

[citation][nom]ProDigit10[/nom]and you are accusing us for stating the obvious that nature meant man to be with a woman[/citation]

As soon as you can prove that we will all shut up for eternity. Good luck though since its all a bunch of bull sh!t Thats just the way you WANT it to be but in reality there is homosexuality in all animals all over the world just in nature the way it was intended.

But its not a choice.

Choice is something you decide you want to do you have no internal drive to do it you just wanted to do it. like religion

being gay is not a choice its a impulse an erge something your compelled to do like when your hungry or thirsty or like when a straight guy looks at a woman.

i don't have a choice about the things that i like. I was born this way i like pizza and ice cream and chicken. i will always like those things i was born liking those things.

Gays are the same way they were born liking the things they like so are straight people same thing all a victim of liking what they were born to like.

Honesty i cant wait till the day ignorance is abolished and these kinds of discussions are never had where people just realized people around them are just people and deserve no more or no less then they do. they just deserve their freedom's like everyone else. Thats the only real truth sooner we realize it the better off we will be.

 

[transatlantic82]

Allowing people freedom and choice isn't being disputed. If they so choose they can be homosexual and we all will grant them rights as any other human being. Similarly a man is permitted to get a sex change but that doesn't mean it is natural or right!!!!

It is a big difference to try to argue that there is no evidence or reason behind saying that men are meant to be with women. It is natural, it is biological. The organs of men fit with the organs of women and they produce offspring. This is a FACT. It just simply cannot happen between two men or two women!

 

[transatlantic82]

[citation][nom]transatlantic82[/nom]Allowing people freedom and choice isn't being disputed. If they so choose they can be homosexual and we all will grant them rights as any other human being. Similarly a man is permitted to get a sex change but that doesn't mean it is natural or right!!!!It is a big difference to try to argue that there is no evidence or reason behind saying that men are meant to be with women. It is natural, it is biological. The organs of men fit with the organs of women and they produce offspring. This is a FACT. It just simply cannot happen between two men or two women![/citation]

Adding to this....if you say it isn't a choice then there is a big debate about whether it is an illness or not. The Catholic church for example encourages homosexuals to lead a chaste life (and so not in sin) rather than making a judgement on whether it is a choice or something that they cannot help. It does not condemn them or treat them like a non-human without the same rights (plus this is not discrimination as the Catholic church asks that for any non-married people as well). They can choose not to have sexual relations with others of the same sex so in the end it is all about choice.

 

[enforcer22]

Honestly trans I'm tired of arguing about it. If you think your 2 inch penis was a choice you made then fine. its natural because it happens in nature don't like that idea i don't care. what the church says is natural right or wrong doesn't concern me at all they are in my exp worse then nazi's in some respects. If you wish to think people are wrong because you don't like how they get down thats your thing but doesn't provide proof they are broken or need to be fixed. If we go by that simple logic your broken and need to be fixed because you irrationally think someone if broken and wrong because of something that have no control over and when i say no control i say this in as what they like they can chose to not do it but they cannot chose to not like it as i said in my last post its about liking and disliking things.

Just because your gay and decide to not sleep with men doesn't mean your not gay thats retarded it just means your denying your self happiness. Why should anyone have to do that for the archaic beliefs of others.

Yes they have a choice if they are going to act on this pre determined wants and likes but only a ass hole would deny them happiness and call it a sickness in my book.

BTW the 2 inch thing was to make a point encase you took it as a insult and not how it was to be meant.

You simplify natural to suit your views but how do you know we didnt come from a unisex evolution or are headed there (this is just a hypothetical example of course) Or perhaps the more simplistic answer this is just the way it is get over it just because you chose to ignore your wants likes and desires doesn't mean you are not those things you just deny who you are and make your life a shallow waste for doing so.

BTW i cannot find any definitions that support your theory on whats natural.

 

[Guest]

I think people now a days need to grow a pair. If someone doesn't like something they cry about how unfair it is and everyone caves in. When i get coffee i go to BEANERS Not bigeys coffee. If you don't like the channel change it don't punish everyone else.

 

[dgriffs]

Well said. The way it was explained to me is that the Church has as issue with homosexual acts not homosexuals themselves. The Church is against premarital sex and the use of contraceptives which leads to belief that married couples have intercourse mainly to reproduce and have children. This may not be realistic but the Church has a right to state what it believes. People who engage in same gender intercourse aren't more of sinners than people who engage in pre-marital sex. I don't have any numbers but I doubt the majority of christians "save themselves" for marriage, especially in this decade.

It seems to me that anti-gay is more of generational opposed to a religious thing. Both my sister and I are catholics and believe homosexuals shouldn't be treated any differently than heterosexuals. I also know many older atheists who are anti-gay. The older generations are far less tolerant when it comes to social class, race, and sexuality.

A portion of the commenters seem to be hating on others simply for being religious. How is that any less discriminatory than being anti gay? Say what you want, it's still discrimination.

 

[heffeque]

Next Apps to get pulled out will be "how to cure black and latino people", "how to cure women", "how to cure jews, muslims and atheists", "how to cure socialists and comunists" and "how to cure sexual urges".

*Sigh* :-/

Meanwhile you won't see "how to cure religious based hatred propaganda" removed because those kinds of Apps won't be approved in the first place.

 

[todd_dfw]

Good grief, what's next? Alcoholics protesting AA?

 

[jkflipflop98]

[citation][nom]dogman_1234[/nom]^ sorry to say but:God did make man in his image, he did not make him to do his actions. What man does is different that what man is made.Principles of free will.[/citation]

Strange that god looks so much like an ape.

 

[mayankleoboy1]

enough with the homophobia

 

[Guest]

All of the Anti-Christian comments here are so unoriginal - and Christians are criticized for not thinking for themselves and being "rational." There are some facts to consider:

1: Many of the greatest scientists (rational thinkers) in history have been devout Christians
2. Though not taught in many religion courses in college - most of the founding fathers were devout Christians - many were ordained ministers (please don't repeat the mindless drivel that they were deists, it just shows you have not done any research on your own and you are repeating your college professor's very limited and uniformed viewpoint). I hope you don't think the founding fathers were irrational "Jesus zombies."
3. Homosexuality has never been proven scientifically to be genetically caused. There is a substantial amount of scientific evidence that it is a developed choice. There may be a small number of homosexuals who are genetically predisposed towards homosexuality because they have an abnormal amount of the sexual hormones of the opposite sex, but even then it has not been proven that they have "no choice" in choosing which sex they are attracted to
4. Homosexuals are not asking for equal rights they are asking for the special right to reform our country's family structure by marrying the same sex. The vast majority of scientific studies show that this is detrimental to society because the traditional family structure has been overwhelmingly proven to be the most successful model for any society
5. The vast majority of Christians do not hate homosexuals and they are not "homophobes." They simply are resisting the homosexual movement's attempt to force their idea of morality on to Christianity and society. Many non-Christians also do not think that homosexuality is a "moral" choice. Remember that a society's mores' (moral laws) are a subjective choice of that society usually based on what is best for society.
6. While there have been a lot of wars fought over religion, the vast majority of these had several other factors far more important that caused the wars. Religion was just one of many causes. Also, the vast majority of wars have had little to do with religion and more to do with the pursuit of power.
6. To lump in Christianity with Islam and Hinduism and other religions is non-thinking. There is a difference. You may not like or approve of any of these religions but there clearly is a difference between the major religions in the world. It is therefore illogical (dare I say "irrational") to lump them all together and make bland, illiterate statements that "Religion is the cause of more offense, hurt and bloodshed than all of history's bloodiest political wars combined." That is just an uninformed, bigoted prejudiced statement with little fact to back it. The writer's first mistake is to combine all religions together to make that statement. It ignores the fact that the Christian religion has been a tremendous force for peace and forgiveness on a national level many times in history. And please, don't bring up the crusades and the Catholic church's "dark ages"as your sole proof of such a statement. Factually many of the crusades were done in national self-defense from Islamic attacks. Catholicism's fall into the dark ages where they burned witches and persecuted individuals is a perversion of Christianity that no modern Christian endorses - not even the modern Catholic hierarchy which has apologized for many of these horrific actions.

It is as bigoted for those on this thread to characterize Christians as non-thinking zealots as would be for a religious person to characterize a homosexual as an "evil" sinner, having sex in bathrooms. Both are bigoted stereotypes. Christians should and do reach out to homosexuals with love, acceptance and forgiveness. They do not have to accept the homosexual moral view in order to do so. Remember, most Christians know that they are sinners just like anyone else and therefore do not look down on homosexuals or anyone else. In short we all need to be kind to one another even if we do not agree.

 

[Guest]

All of the Anti-Christian comments here are so unoriginal - and Christians are criticized for not thinking for themselves and being "rational." There are some facts to consider:

1: Many of the greatest scientists (rational thinkers) in history have been devout Christians
2. Though not taught in many religion courses in college - most of the founding fathers were devout Christians - many were ordained ministers (please don't repeat the mindless drivel that they were deists, it just shows you have not done any research on your own and you are repeating your college professor's very limited and uniformed viewpoint). I hope you don't think the founding fathers were irrational "Jesus zombies."
3. Homosexuality has never been proven scientifically to be genetically caused. There is a substantial amount of scientific evidence that it is a developed choice. There may be a small number of homosexuals who are genetically predisposed towards homosexuality because they have an abnormal amount of the sexual hormones of the opposite sex, but even then it has not been proven that they have "no choice" in choosing which sex they are attracted to
4. Homosexuals are not asking for equal rights they are asking for the special right to reform our country's family structure by marrying the same sex. The vast majority of scientific studies show that this is detrimental to society because the traditional family structure has been overwhelmingly proven to be the most successful model for any society
5. The vast majority of Christians do not hate homosexuals and they are not "homophobes." They simply are resisting the homosexual movement's attempt to force their idea of morality on to Christianity and society. Many non-Christians also do not think that homosexuality is a "moral" choice. Remember that a society's mores' (moral laws) are a subjective choice of that society usually based on what is best for society.
6. While there have been a lot of wars fought over religion, the vast majority of these had several other factors far more important that caused the wars. Religion was just one of many causes. Also, the vast majority of wars have had little to do with religion and more to do with the pursuit of power.
6. To lump in Christianity with Islam and Hinduism and other religions is non-thinking. There is a difference. You may not like or approve of any of these religions but there clearly is a difference between the major religions in the world. It is therefore illogical (dare I say "irrational") to lump them all together and make bland, illiterate statements that "Religion is the cause of more offense, hurt and bloodshed than all of history's bloodiest political wars combined." That is just an uninformed, bigoted prejudiced statement with little fact to back it. The writer's first mistake is to combine all religions together to make that statement. It ignores the fact that the Christian religion has been a tremendous force for peace and forgiveness on a national level many times in history. And please, don't bring up the crusades and the Catholic church's "dark ages"as your sole proof of such a statement. Factually many of the crusades were done in national self-defense from Islamic attacks. Catholicism's fall into the dark ages where they burned witches and persecuted individuals is a perversion of Christianity that no modern Christian endorses - not even the modern Catholic hierarchy which has apologized for many of these horrific actions.

It is as bigoted for those on this thread to characterize Christians as non-thinking zealots as would be for a religious person to characterize a homosexual as an "evil" sinner, having sex in bathrooms. Both are bigoted stereotypes. Christians should and do reach out to homosexuals with love, acceptance and forgiveness. They do not have to accept the homosexual moral view in order to do so. Remember, most Christians know that they are sinners just like anyone else and therefore do not look down on homosexuals or anyone else. In short we all need to be kind to one another even if we do not agree.

 

[Guest]

Apple pulled it not because of ethics or religion but greed. They don't what to offend any potential earnings.

It's only about money and the power that it brings!

 

[carsontl]

Yawn.

 

[carsontl]

*religious comment*
*religious hater comment*
*anti-religious comment from a polite and respectful position*
*respect reciprocated from initial religious comment plus further insight*
*anti-religious comment agrees to disagree*

Yawn.

 

[virtualban]

[citation][nom]carsontl[/nom]*religious comment**religious hater comment**anti-religious comment from a polite and respectful position**respect reciprocated from initial religious comment plus further insight**anti-religious comment agrees to disagree*Yawn.[/citation]
I kept reading to get a feeling how the readers of Tom's react to this, insights and prejudices at times, given I respect the general intellectual level of these people. And I found the reading interesting enough.
Why did you keep reading?

 

[Guest]

@virtualban
"Why did you keep reading?"

there's something strangely alluring about organized chaos....... and that your typical geek really is not that typical

and for pete sake folks, it's apple, there is no such thing as freedom of speech under apple, they do as they please until such time as it affects their bottom line

 

[virtualban]

[citation][nom]OrganizedChaos[/nom]and for pete sake folks, it's apple, there is no such thing as freedom of speech under apple, they do as they please until such time as it affects their bottom line[/citation]
hahahaha!!

 

[xantek24]

You see Jane? religion and politics are always a lightning rod for comments! *lick lips*

 

[dalethepcman]

Thats just the way you WANT it to be but in reality there is homosexuality in all animals all over the world just in nature the way it was intended. But its not a choice.

You can consciously decide to stop breathing. Just because you have the ability to do so doesn't mean you have to. Choice is what separates man from beast, we have the cognitive ability to choose to act on our impulses. If you do not have the ability to control your impulses then you probably have a mental disorder, look up compulsive.