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[citation][nom]christop[/nom]would be nice for huge backups..[/citation]
Last time I checked blank Blue Ray media is still priced at a premium. Your best bet for a cheap fast & reliable back up is a external Hard Drive. You can save even more on one of them buy putting one together yourself. Go to Newegg or Tiger Direct and buy a 2.5 or 3.5 (I prefer the smaller 2.5") then find a external HD case for it. Put the drive in the case (A monkey could do it) and presto a nice big reusable backup solution. It should last many years before the thing fails because you will not be using it much.
As far as CD, DVD, Blue Ray and this is even more critical with the density of Blue Ray, scratches destroy information and I wished they would have made a caddy system for them. They have the real thin plastic cases and could have designed a better format, like a over-sized floppy disk or the little UMD disk Sony uses. I know it may cost a little more but I guess greed got in the way of that decision.
Last time I checked blank Blue Ray media is still priced at a premium. Your best bet for a cheap fast & reliable back up is a external Hard Drive. You can save even more on one of them buy putting one together yourself. Go to Newegg or Tiger Direct and buy a 2.5 or 3.5 (I prefer the smaller 2.5") then find a external HD case for it. Put the drive in the case (A monkey could do it) and presto a nice big reusable backup solution. It should last many years before the thing fails because you will not be using it much.
As far as CD, DVD, Blue Ray and this is even more critical with the density of Blue Ray, scratches destroy information and I wished they would have made a caddy system for them. They have the real thin plastic cases and could have designed a better format, like a over-sized floppy disk or the little UMD disk Sony uses. I know it may cost a little more but I guess greed got in the way of that decision.
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Flash drives are NOT very susceptible to EMP. If that were true, running thru an airport scanner would cause issues.
So far mine have been scanned on overseas flights, washed in the clothes-washing machine, covered with Venom energy drink, stepped on, frozen, they survived the dryer (on delicate), are routinely placed next to electric motors, and have had magnets set on them. Nada.
So far only the Venom gave me a real problem and that was due to the push-out switch sticking closed and contacts being covered with resin. Rinsing it in cold water and then letting it dry solved that problem.
So far mine have been scanned on overseas flights, washed in the clothes-washing machine, covered with Venom energy drink, stepped on, frozen, they survived the dryer (on delicate), are routinely placed next to electric motors, and have had magnets set on them. Nada.
So far only the Venom gave me a real problem and that was due to the push-out switch sticking closed and contacts being covered with resin. Rinsing it in cold water and then letting it dry solved that problem.
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[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]You could still have the same DVD and Blu-ray disk players you have now, but it's not rocket science to add an SD card slot to the front panel, is it?[/citation]
Some do already. I have the Oppo BDP83 and just played 20 minutes of AVCHD encoded at 17-24Mbps right off a 32GB SDHC card plugged into the front panel via USB adapter. Played without a hitch.
Some do already. I have the Oppo BDP83 and just played 20 minutes of AVCHD encoded at 17-24Mbps right off a 32GB SDHC card plugged into the front panel via USB adapter. Played without a hitch.
That's actually pretty nice. Replacing the old with the new will definitely give you the full 25 gigabytes plus more when you select properties on the disc. I'm seeing bluray burners for $200 now which isn't too bad but the price will only continue to fall. Just too bad verbatim blanks still cost about $11 each. It's more expensive than buying hard drives so I haven't gone over to bluray yet. If any manufacturer listens, they should lower the cost of the media to hook me in otherwise I'm not buying yet. Plus would be helpful if the package said roughly how long the media will live for archiving rather than having to scour and troll the entire web for such information.
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]This isn't about write speed, I walk into a shop and buy the latest HD movie, pre-loaded onto the SD card. It plays back perfectly. The only person who has to worry about writing onto the card is the manufacturer.
Based on my limited research, the type of magnetic event that would be strong enough to wipe (non magnetic) solid state memory would be the EMP effects of a nuclear war, large asteroid hitting the Earth, etc... Imagine as the bombs are falling "oh noze, my holiday picturez!!!" ... a little perspective here...[/citation]
He apparantly is following the Mayan calander which isn't something I have ever had on my wall. It ends in 2012 mearly because that is when they stopped updating the calendar to and a lot of people think that means the world ends on that date which is rather foolish. NASA has already officially stated that it is false.
Keeping DVDs in a firesafe box is a good idea but tapes last longer. I had been taught that ages ago and I still have old archive tapes that completely work. None of my DVD or CDR have failed yet (besides cheap ones) but you really have to make a duplicate of them every 5 years if you are smart, 10 if you want to push it a little. The materials inside (aluminum and organic materials) are cheap and oxidize within the span of 20 years. They don't exactly put materials such as platinum or gold inside of them to prevent oxidation. Bluray media is a bit different, but I have been so far unable to find study on how long bluray discs last.
Based on my limited research, the type of magnetic event that would be strong enough to wipe (non magnetic) solid state memory would be the EMP effects of a nuclear war, large asteroid hitting the Earth, etc... Imagine as the bombs are falling "oh noze, my holiday picturez!!!" ... a little perspective here...[/citation]
He apparantly is following the Mayan calander which isn't something I have ever had on my wall. It ends in 2012 mearly because that is when they stopped updating the calendar to and a lot of people think that means the world ends on that date which is rather foolish. NASA has already officially stated that it is false.
Keeping DVDs in a firesafe box is a good idea but tapes last longer. I had been taught that ages ago and I still have old archive tapes that completely work. None of my DVD or CDR have failed yet (besides cheap ones) but you really have to make a duplicate of them every 5 years if you are smart, 10 if you want to push it a little. The materials inside (aluminum and organic materials) are cheap and oxidize within the span of 20 years. They don't exactly put materials such as platinum or gold inside of them to prevent oxidation. Bluray media is a bit different, but I have been so far unable to find study on how long bluray discs last.
HP 4.7GB 16X DVD-R = 17 cents per disk (NewEgg $16.99 for 100 pk)
There's also cheaper DVD's but I've used HP DVDs and have zero coasters.
Memorex 25GB 4X BluRay = $2.33 per disck (Newegg $34.99 for 15 pk)
Even though the price is for a 15 pk, it was still the cheapest per disk.
Doing the math, it takes 5.3 DVDs to match on BluRay.
Basically it cost $0.90 to store on DVD for the equivalent BluRay that cost $2.33.
Bottomline... it cost 258% more to burn onto a BluRay. Or in another words, until a BD disc is 90 cents per disc... then we have a winner.
For now I'm buying more blank DVDs and external harddrives.
There's also cheaper DVD's but I've used HP DVDs and have zero coasters.
Memorex 25GB 4X BluRay = $2.33 per disck (Newegg $34.99 for 15 pk)
Even though the price is for a 15 pk, it was still the cheapest per disk.
Doing the math, it takes 5.3 DVDs to match on BluRay.
Basically it cost $0.90 to store on DVD for the equivalent BluRay that cost $2.33.
Bottomline... it cost 258% more to burn onto a BluRay. Or in another words, until a BD disc is 90 cents per disc... then we have a winner.
For now I'm buying more blank DVDs and external harddrives.
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That cost-per-disc analysis is good way of looking at things. It shows just where DVD is in its maturity versus Blu-ray. I remember paying $5 per disc for blank DVDs seemingly not too long ago.
Of course it's not *that* simple - nothing is. If you follow that idea out to its logical conclusion then we should all still be using 5.25" floppies.
There is a premium for the convenience of only having to burn, package and store 1 disc versus 6 for the same amount of data, not to mention the premium that all early adopters pay which eventually leads to lower prices everyone pays later.
There are also other applications besides data storage, such as video and/or audio authoring. I already have video demands that require DVD DLs which are higher priced per GB than SL DVDs. And with the work more and more people may do with their HD camcorders with AVCHD, it will be worth a further premium still to archive, say, video clips from a child's first year of life, on one Blu-ray versus several DVDs.
Of course it's not *that* simple - nothing is. If you follow that idea out to its logical conclusion then we should all still be using 5.25" floppies.
There is a premium for the convenience of only having to burn, package and store 1 disc versus 6 for the same amount of data, not to mention the premium that all early adopters pay which eventually leads to lower prices everyone pays later.
There are also other applications besides data storage, such as video and/or audio authoring. I already have video demands that require DVD DLs which are higher priced per GB than SL DVDs. And with the work more and more people may do with their HD camcorders with AVCHD, it will be worth a further premium still to archive, say, video clips from a child's first year of life, on one Blu-ray versus several DVDs.
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[citation][nom]tipmen[/nom]I think Blu ray came just too late. In a few years everything will be heading to streaming and downloadable content. However it's nice to see that they are expanding on existing technology to get a few more GB.[/citation]
and jsut how did it come to late ??? i don';t see streaming replacing a physical disk , game downlaoding has beena round now for quite a few years and peopel still prefer a physical copy over a digital one. imo blu ray came to soon honestly vhs lasted 15+ years , before another media format took over , dvd while not being exactly young , has only been "mass marketed" for about 5-6 years now, currently the vast majority of folks still own watch dvd not blu ray , and the mdeia cost to much compared to dvd. so sayign it came to late because of streaming is just a bit far fetched , the reason why blu ray inst gettign picked up faster , is simple, folks want physical media , and folks don't want to repalce thier dvd palyers just so they will have to pay a premium on blu ray disk , when most people will say they see no diference (i know you can see diference but theaverage consumer says they don't)
[citation][nom]bison88[/nom]The day ISP's stand up and say "No More CAPS! Never AGAIN!!!" is when Internet Streaming will take hold and we can count the days down til the end of hard disks
.[/citation]
i dont know if you meant physical disk or hard disk as in hard drives .. but if you meant hard drives , no streaming wont end those , you will need a HDD still because even streaming content stores a certain ammount of data onto a HDD
[citation][nom]supertrek32[/nom]Does the date that event falls on happen to be Dec 21, 2012?[/citation]
oh please , im tired of hearing this mayan doomsday bs , like every other doomsday prophecy it's just bs., also sick of the jokes about it.
[citation][nom]fatedtodie[/nom]Flash thumbsticks and SB cards are SLOW. They will not be replacing even DVDs anytime soon. a 16x DVD beats the fastest SDHC card (seeing as SDXC is still years away from the 104mb/s "theoretical" speed it is ignored for now). Blu-ray is about speed, and smoothness. It beat HD-DVD which was cheaper due to several factors one being Blu-ray's scratch resistant coating.SD Cards are nice Flash Drives are nice, but until they compete versus a stand-alone blu-ray player with no hiccups there is no benefit. I look forward to the day I can have ALL my movies LEGALLY on a small card or two I can carry in my wallet with a backup somewhere in case I get mugged. Unfortunately we aren't anywhere near that yet. So I try to live in the real world not in "what could be" or "what should be"-land.[/citation]
I completely agree , with you on your waht should be could be land ...
ten thiungs that should have been and could have been by 2010 (according to experts 10-20 years ago) , but never happened
1. NASA builds a space ship in orbit instead of a earth based "shuttle" (nasa's budget was cut and this project was never even started insted the wasted money of the InternationSpace Station which is going to be dropped almost as soon as it's fully funcitonal
2. nasa's orbit built ship makes teh first manned mission to mars
(see above)
3. intel's amazing 10 ghz chip (even today, extreme overclocks uisng liquid nitrogen , are hitting OC caps around 6.6 ghz .. note EXTREME overclocking)
4. Flying cars or private jets for every one ( ok no flying cars , but their is a comercially sold jet now that is about 75,000 , same price as some higher end sports cars , but still don't see many folks buying these and they certainly arnt handing out "flying licenses")
5. cure for cancer ( some 15 years ago when i was in highschool i read an article in SA how doctors were predicting they'd have cures for most cancers by 2010 .. hasnt happened yet)
6. voice command input computers ( well thier is dragon speak but that's only useful for word , .. adn it still manages to manngle most of what any oen says into it , certainly not as robust as sci -fi comps any one can speak at and have it actually do what they want it to)
7. holographic imaging ( back in the 80's labs started expriementing on this , in the late 90's some companies claimed they would have such devices on the market by 2009 well it's come and passed and we have yet to even see a pre market protype.
8. virtual reality ( there is no need to explain just how long people had been saying this would replace game consoles by the year 2000.. LOL still waiting).
9. nuclear fussion power plants ( back when nuclear fission plants were all the talk every one was hoping that a break through in cold fussion would happen soon , cold fussion being a NON waste producing non radioactive form of fussion , bassically ushering in an era of ultra cheap and clean power , well hasn't happened yet, enviro nuts have slowed the progress of the more conventional fission reactors, goverment stopped funding fussion reactor research , and to date the "test" fussion reactiors can only hold a stable reaction for about 5 seconds, for those that don't know fission is where they split the adam to create the raction and fussion is where they combine to atoms to create a reaction , in teh case of cold fussion this would be two hydrogen particlse which create no radioactive by product , in conventional fission reactors that we do have , they split uranium atoms, which are highly radioactive and do produce radioactive waste, which is vented off into cooling tanks)
10. Nuclear fussion powered vehicles/spacecraft /cars (see number 9)
so yeah if it were a perfect world we'd have all this and our flash based movies, but it's not a perfect world , we still drive gas guzzlers , 78% of the US is still powered via fossil fuels the average computer maxed out clock speeds of 3-4 ghz , game consoles and PC's are still the rave, NASA is a bigger waste than it ever was before because of shit funding and lack of "some one to beat" ...
actually this is just history repeating it's self , look back at teh roman empire , most of their technological advances happened in a very short 1 century period and then countless hundred of eyars whent by before we really advanced any further. same as our current situation , i think we are bout to hit a very very long period of little to no real change in technologically, though like teh romans we started wild dreaming becuase of all the advancments we made so fast,. in Rome theym dreamed of flying machins and "driving machines" but theyw ere jsut that dreams at that time and they never saw reality till many hundreds of eyars later. i think this is the same case we dream up what we could do because the current "jump" showed us some pretty amazing changes in what was possible .. it doesn't mean all our dreams will just start being possible now.
and jsut how did it come to late ??? i don';t see streaming replacing a physical disk , game downlaoding has beena round now for quite a few years and peopel still prefer a physical copy over a digital one. imo blu ray came to soon honestly vhs lasted 15+ years , before another media format took over , dvd while not being exactly young , has only been "mass marketed" for about 5-6 years now, currently the vast majority of folks still own watch dvd not blu ray , and the mdeia cost to much compared to dvd. so sayign it came to late because of streaming is just a bit far fetched , the reason why blu ray inst gettign picked up faster , is simple, folks want physical media , and folks don't want to repalce thier dvd palyers just so they will have to pay a premium on blu ray disk , when most people will say they see no diference (i know you can see diference but theaverage consumer says they don't)
[citation][nom]bison88[/nom]The day ISP's stand up and say "No More CAPS! Never AGAIN!!!" is when Internet Streaming will take hold and we can count the days down til the end of hard disks
.[/citation]
i dont know if you meant physical disk or hard disk as in hard drives .. but if you meant hard drives , no streaming wont end those , you will need a HDD still because even streaming content stores a certain ammount of data onto a HDD
[citation][nom]supertrek32[/nom]Does the date that event falls on happen to be Dec 21, 2012?[/citation]
oh please , im tired of hearing this mayan doomsday bs , like every other doomsday prophecy it's just bs., also sick of the jokes about it.
[citation][nom]fatedtodie[/nom]Flash thumbsticks and SB cards are SLOW. They will not be replacing even DVDs anytime soon. a 16x DVD beats the fastest SDHC card (seeing as SDXC is still years away from the 104mb/s "theoretical" speed it is ignored for now). Blu-ray is about speed, and smoothness. It beat HD-DVD which was cheaper due to several factors one being Blu-ray's scratch resistant coating.SD Cards are nice Flash Drives are nice, but until they compete versus a stand-alone blu-ray player with no hiccups there is no benefit. I look forward to the day I can have ALL my movies LEGALLY on a small card or two I can carry in my wallet with a backup somewhere in case I get mugged. Unfortunately we aren't anywhere near that yet. So I try to live in the real world not in "what could be" or "what should be"-land.[/citation]
I completely agree , with you on your waht should be could be land ...
ten thiungs that should have been and could have been by 2010 (according to experts 10-20 years ago) , but never happened
1. NASA builds a space ship in orbit instead of a earth based "shuttle" (nasa's budget was cut and this project was never even started insted the wasted money of the InternationSpace Station which is going to be dropped almost as soon as it's fully funcitonal
2. nasa's orbit built ship makes teh first manned mission to mars
(see above)
3. intel's amazing 10 ghz chip (even today, extreme overclocks uisng liquid nitrogen , are hitting OC caps around 6.6 ghz .. note EXTREME overclocking)
4. Flying cars or private jets for every one ( ok no flying cars , but their is a comercially sold jet now that is about 75,000 , same price as some higher end sports cars , but still don't see many folks buying these and they certainly arnt handing out "flying licenses")
5. cure for cancer ( some 15 years ago when i was in highschool i read an article in SA how doctors were predicting they'd have cures for most cancers by 2010 .. hasnt happened yet)
6. voice command input computers ( well thier is dragon speak but that's only useful for word , .. adn it still manages to manngle most of what any oen says into it , certainly not as robust as sci -fi comps any one can speak at and have it actually do what they want it to)
7. holographic imaging ( back in the 80's labs started expriementing on this , in the late 90's some companies claimed they would have such devices on the market by 2009 well it's come and passed and we have yet to even see a pre market protype.
8. virtual reality ( there is no need to explain just how long people had been saying this would replace game consoles by the year 2000.. LOL still waiting).
9. nuclear fussion power plants ( back when nuclear fission plants were all the talk every one was hoping that a break through in cold fussion would happen soon , cold fussion being a NON waste producing non radioactive form of fussion , bassically ushering in an era of ultra cheap and clean power , well hasn't happened yet, enviro nuts have slowed the progress of the more conventional fission reactors, goverment stopped funding fussion reactor research , and to date the "test" fussion reactiors can only hold a stable reaction for about 5 seconds, for those that don't know fission is where they split the adam to create the raction and fussion is where they combine to atoms to create a reaction , in teh case of cold fussion this would be two hydrogen particlse which create no radioactive by product , in conventional fission reactors that we do have , they split uranium atoms, which are highly radioactive and do produce radioactive waste, which is vented off into cooling tanks)
10. Nuclear fussion powered vehicles/spacecraft /cars (see number 9)
so yeah if it were a perfect world we'd have all this and our flash based movies, but it's not a perfect world , we still drive gas guzzlers , 78% of the US is still powered via fossil fuels the average computer maxed out clock speeds of 3-4 ghz , game consoles and PC's are still the rave, NASA is a bigger waste than it ever was before because of shit funding and lack of "some one to beat" ...
actually this is just history repeating it's self , look back at teh roman empire , most of their technological advances happened in a very short 1 century period and then countless hundred of eyars whent by before we really advanced any further. same as our current situation , i think we are bout to hit a very very long period of little to no real change in technologically, though like teh romans we started wild dreaming becuase of all the advancments we made so fast,. in Rome theym dreamed of flying machins and "driving machines" but theyw ere jsut that dreams at that time and they never saw reality till many hundreds of eyars later. i think this is the same case we dream up what we could do because the current "jump" showed us some pretty amazing changes in what was possible .. it doesn't mean all our dreams will just start being possible now.
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[citation][nom]tipmen[/nom]I think Blu ray came just too late. In a few years everything will be heading to streaming and downloadable content. However it's nice to see that they are expanding on existing technology to get a few more GB.[/citation]
I don't it's fair to dismiss this opinion. I very clearly recall there was a day when people said that online shopping will never ever catch on because shoppers need to smell that luring scent of a retail store...I think online shopping has caught on pretty well. I think that one way companies will battle piracy is by offering flat rates for unlimited downloading from certain sites, and if they can make it cheap enough, it will be successful. It would save them money on the logistics involved in getting that Bluray disc out to you.
I don't it's fair to dismiss this opinion. I very clearly recall there was a day when people said that online shopping will never ever catch on because shoppers need to smell that luring scent of a retail store...I think online shopping has caught on pretty well. I think that one way companies will battle piracy is by offering flat rates for unlimited downloading from certain sites, and if they can make it cheap enough, it will be successful. It would save them money on the logistics involved in getting that Bluray disc out to you.
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More space per layer, maybe now they'll bring back Uncompressed PCM. Yes there IS a difference between lossless and uncompressed because I can hear it. Flame if you wish, but don't blame me for your bad hearing.
[citation][nom]bison88[/nom]The day ISP's stand up and say "No More CAPS! Never AGAIN!!!" is when Internet Streaming will take hold and we can count the days down til the end of hard disks.[/citation]
The day finite network infrastructure can handle infinite bandwidth this will be possible. Please, bison88, get back to us when you develop the 'infinite bandwidth' technology.
The day finite network infrastructure can handle infinite bandwidth this will be possible. Please, bison88, get back to us when you develop the 'infinite bandwidth' technology.
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[citation][nom]LordConrad[/nom]More space per layer, maybe now they'll bring back Uncompressed PCM. Yes there IS a difference between lossless and uncompressed because I can hear it. Flame if you wish, but don't blame me for your bad hearing.[/citation]
Yeah, there IS a difference. 95% of Uncompressed PCM tracks are 16-bit and 95% of Lossless (DTS/Dolby) tracks are 24-bit. Not the direction you thought it'd go, huh?
When the studios throw 24-bit Uncompressed tracks on all discs instead of 16-bit, THEN I'll be on board the PCM bandwagon. Until then, I'll take 24-bit Lossless DTS/Dolby every day first.
Yeah, there IS a difference. 95% of Uncompressed PCM tracks are 16-bit and 95% of Lossless (DTS/Dolby) tracks are 24-bit. Not the direction you thought it'd go, huh?
When the studios throw 24-bit Uncompressed tracks on all discs instead of 16-bit, THEN I'll be on board the PCM bandwagon. Until then, I'll take 24-bit Lossless DTS/Dolby every day first.
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