name brands that have been in the game for decades and are known to the older folks as 'audiophile'
well..
in all honesty, i am not old enough from the 70's / 80's era to know of all the companies that hit the market up for something extra.
i know of some that are 'still going'
but
that doesnt mean the rest are any less (or if they were ever any better outside of the 1970's / 1980's realm)
if you go to this website and have a look at their front page..
you will see dozens of name brands that are in the scene.
i cant possibly know if they all sound good naturally.. or if there are some that need specific attention to sound their best.
i know there is a sum of companies on the list that adhere to the fact of one thing..
seperating the toys from the tools.
since audio has demanded a lot out of speakers over the course of the last 30 years .. i cannot safely say whether or not all of those companies can keep up.
some might be falling off because of increased dynamic range.
others might be falling off because of increased sample rate and bit depths.
and some others might be falling off because of decreased harmonic distortion.
obviously, the distortion back then was a lot more than it is nowadays.
and that is pretty much the final determining factor of a company going bankrupt, unless they find some effort somewhere that can take their old designs and notch them into two or more units that provide further functionality down the road.
and it may be that some companies have already found the limitations of the designs they represent, and there isnt anything left for them to do (except maybe add some pieces of ceramic into the voice coil and go along the battle of burning up that ceramic before the copper .. or seeing the ceramic totally lose its place in the windings)
definitely some movement going to happen.
and it doesnt really matter if i look at it from a senior citizen with hands on experience, or a computer programming churning out the same results and then some more.
what is the fact of the matter?
harmonic distortion value changes, and higher dynamic peaks.
some people might get by with a limiter for now.
and
some might need a limiter, but cant steer themselves away from the new harmonic distortion levels.
signal to noise ratio and slew rate is what made these companies important.
dynamic peaks, sometimes helped too.
hell.. even harmonic distortion levels were improved from previous generations.
speakers are like growing up in the same town.
you spend 20 years there and you look around at all the people who were in their 20's when you were a kid.
now, it is very sad - those same people are getting wrinkles on their face as they remind you death is going to happen.
bose is decent.. but i dont think there is any way to improve the speaker system because they dont give you the option in the menu.
other speakers probably wont sound as good as bose systems .. mainly because the bose system has been fine-tuned and the other system hasnt been tuned at all.
those two circumstances has made some of bose's systems a neck to neck race.
and yes.. i would believe those bose systems didnt sound half as good as they could have.
then there is always going to be the system that will play louder, and that makes the person more happy.
you need a calibrated microphone from a sound engineering laboratory (costs like $50 - $80 to have a microphone calibrated)
then you use the mic to adjust the equalizer.
there are a lot of people who listen to speakers, and 90% of them dont use the equalizer with the calibrated microphone from a sound lab.
using the microphone that comes with your receiver isnt guaranteeing you anything.
and that is how the entire society gets stupid and stays stupid.
because they are too lazy to spend the $50 - $80 to get their microphone calibrated.
many people say ... i want good speakers.
and the people who have heard good speakers before are saying ... you dont know what the problem is, you dont know what you want/need.
imagine a person who is eating some food and they keep saying to themselves 'i want a bigger spoon or fork'
and what they really want is an extra side dish to make the meal less boring.
they never get up to get a different size because the place only has one size.
and therefore.. they never try the bigger spoon or fork, and that is how they get tricked into thinking the same thing over and over again.
without trying the different size.. they will never ever say to themselves 'nope.. the bigger spoon isnt working out for me, it must be something else'
think about that for a moment.
there is a severe problem about people and their lack of this sentence..
'it must be something else'
sure.. they say 'i demand something better'
and that is one way to read the sentence.
but
the other way to read the sentence is..
i have tried, and it didnt work.. therefore it must be something else.
and yes..
i could boil it down to say this:
people dont use the word 'therefore' and it is robbing them of happiness.
there is always going to be a market that sells stuff to people at places like walmart or best buy.
and
there is always going to be places that sell upgrades of the same type of stuff.
lets take window cleaner for example.
lots of people use windex.. and it is decent.
but
there are places where you can get a case of spray window cleaner of commercial strength and it really beats windex by a large margin.
if windex can make the window clean.
the commercial cleaner can make the window look new AND leave no streaks without even trying.
what is the catch?
depends..
it could be you have to buy a case of 12 or a case of 24
maybe you need a business license
maybe the stuff is too strong and it ruins the UV coating on the window (this has always been the problem since commercial products have been released to consumers for purchase)
they dont use the right product with the right UV coating because they dont know how to test.
and the window gets ruined.. costing more money to get it fixed.
sometimes we live in a world where the window installer will sell you some windows.. install them for you.. AND tell you what commercial window cleaner to use.
but
i bet you paid more for the final bill.
or
i bet you are friends with a friend, and you actually know a person of a person.
we dont live nice because we dont share nice.
and
we dont share nice because some people break our nice things.
people break our nice things because they are not 'awake' enough.
they arent 'focused' or there is no 'attention' to the details.
a person might grab your delicate toys off of the shelve and try not to break anything because they can clearly see it is easy to break.. but they dont go the extra step to make sure they put it back exactly the way they found it , so you dont have to go over there and twist it until it is perfect again.
people simply dont care about the extra step.
and then they all come here asking for 'where can i get the products that go the extra step?'
the industry hides that stuff from people.
as i said..
the only time they dont hide it is when the industry is forcing everybody to buy it.
imagine if they used dolby digital HD as something to hide.
you would not even know it exists until you look in the blu-ray menu and see the option for dolby digital HD
then you would say 'hey what is that?'
you might read about what it is.
then you say 'hey where can i get that?'
and if you are saying 'hey' you are not searching, you are talking.
but nope..
the audio industry wants the people to have some decent quality.
and how did they make sure that happend?
every single receiver has dolby digital HD on it.
every single one, except the receiver with only left/right output.
people absolutely love it when the government forces them to buy upgrades.
but
the situation isnt as cool and casual when the government forces them to do something they dont like.
take the laundry cleaners for instance.
we could have split the soap into different categories.
one for grass
one for mud
one for car oil
one for sweat
then choose which one you need as if making some soup one ingrediant at a time.
we really are at a war with people who are not happy with what they have, and then they make other peoples lives worse.
sometimes people complain about buying junk.. but they dont stop buying it.
and sometimes people complain about working hard.. but the job is easy (it is all of the time that gets eaten up)
they stretch out the world until grown folks start talking to them like a 6-7 year old
or
those grown folk start slapping down the rules until the person starts to change their attitude.
the common ground is easy .. it is COME ON !
some of us want to see many of you evolve into something better so we dont have to be ashamed or embarassed of the human species.
i swear to god.. it is easy to drive through a neighborhood and think to yourself.. 'wow, these people are living their lives and raising a family as if it was as easy as making cotton candy'
stupid people having children together means more stupid people.
so if i was talking to two people.. in 6-7 years i will now be talking to THREE or FOUR people.
and they are not the only one that does it.
a lot of people bring more than one child into this world.
there are lots of people who can say 'i have a brother' or 'i have a sister'
that means the stupidity is DOUBLING and TRIPLING.
it really is the truth.
you cant just go to a job and expect your life to be perfect because many people do it everyday.
most people whine and complain they have no time to do anything except work.
yet..
nobody is working to make the shifts at work less, and hire more people.
there are three shifts in the day.. and there could be four or five.
what good is it going to walmart or best buy when their products are ment for elementary school kids?
you can go hunt down some speakers that are not toys ment for kids.
there is a big difference between a toy and a tool.
look at the easy bake oven for example.
it is a light bulb that doesnt get very hot at all.
and a real oven can get as hot as 800 degrees.
what about this..
you could move all your furniture in your friends truck (a toy)
or
you could move all of your furniture in a u-haul truck (a tool you rent)
you can get one of those 2ft inflatable pools
or
you can go buy a real swimming pool
(i have always teased people with 4ft swimming pools, because they are a toy too)
what do you think you want?
a 2ft inflatable pool from walmart
or
go to the local pool and spa/jacuzzi store to buy something like 8ft deep?
you cant afford the 8ft deep pool?
why the hell are you asking us which 2ft inflatable pool is the best?
we dont care if you are going to buy a 2ft inflatable pool, because it isnt what you really want.
if you really wanted a 2ft inflatable pool.. you would go grab one and buy some waterbed patches to seal up any holes.
or AT LEAST stop at the bicycle area of the store and pick up some inner tube patches.
you try to make the cheap stuff last/work
you build it yourself
you pay a lot for somebody to hand you something, and you dont know if it is the best or the worst ... all you know is you paid a lot for it.
that is how it goes.
if you try all three, you will know what is good and what is bad.
that is how you know what is worth buying and what is worth building yourself.
we really are in a state of technology where sometimes it is better to buy something and let them do it for you instead of trying to do it yourself.
cooking and going out for fast food might be one example.
building an electric LED clock might be another example.
just imagine buying a kit for $35 and it lasts for five years.
then
imagine buying a cheap LED clock for $15 and it lasts fifteen years.
sometimes people are young and they feel it is safe to ask questions.
and
sometimes people never get past the asking questions part because there wasnt anybody there to give them a road to walk down.
you teach a person how to fish and they will catch fish without bothering you whenever they are hungry.
what do you think happens when somebody asks for 'what is the best' and a person gives them the answer?
that person will go buy the speakers and be happy with them.
in a little bit of time.. the person might forget who gave them the advice.
and
in a little bit more time.. the person might totally forget they asked for advice at all !!
i think we really miss out on the beauty of finding happiness in places we dont expect to see any happiness.
there is a huge divide in this day and age we live in.
people who expect everything
and
people who dont expect anything
there are plenty of situations you can find on a forum where the conversation is trying to steer the person one way or the other.
there are people who want you to have it
and
there are people who dont want you to have it
there are people who waste crayons
and
people who dont waste crayons
there are people who waste pencil erasers
and
people who do waste pencil erasers
why are you asking us important questions and you dont know if we are the type of person that wastes the pencil eraser or doesnt waste the eraser ??
i said it before..
it gives people a chance to lie to you.
i am not apologizing here.
i have always believed.. simply because there is a whole group of people doing something, that doesnt make it right - and it doesnt make it safe.
i would tell you to go to madisound or parts express
but
it doesnt make it totally safe.
it wont be a situation where you peel back some plastic and start eating.
if you want that crap.. buy something that says everything is engineered to sound good.
klipsch doesnt say anything about being engineered EXTRA to sound good.
but bose does!
and if you arent happy with what you are listening to ... try a different model number or a different model completely.
speakers are not color by number.
you will have to pick your own crayons.
this appears to be too difficult for many people.
there is no wonder why posts from people who care are as long as mine.
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