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Jeff Rigby wrote:
> There is a differnet standard for digital HD tv between Over the Air
> Broadcasts and Cable. Few Cable companys are allowing Over the Air
> signals unaltered on cable. You must have a CABLE set top box to
> receive HD from cable.
I've pulled in CBS ABC NBC here in the bay area without the STB. It was
sometime last year, and it may have changed, but I was able to get them and
a couple of other digital stations from the basic digital package.
> I'm hoping this will change as more people
> have built in HD tuners in their TV's.
Yes, mine is built in and is QAM. It will pick up unscrambled digital cable
signals.
> It won't hurt to "memorize"
> the channels on cable, you have to do that anyway. If your cable
> company is more enlightened then some of your channels will be HD.
> The only way to know this other than the SOMETIMES obvious picture is
> to press the info button for that channel.
>
> Digital channels will also not work with your HD TV tuner.
As I stated, I have had them without the STB. Mileage may vary dependent on
cable system, of course.
>
>
> "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxcomcast.net> wrote in message
> news:cjRMc.27778$8_6.12682@attbi_s04...
>> Rajendra Gondhalekar wrote:
>>> But in the analog era somebody could have a cable ready TV, then
>>> subscribe to a premium channel like HBO, and then watch it without
>>> having a set top cable box. I am assuming this was possible because
>>> the feed was unencrypted at the curbside by a tech installing a
>>> filter on some kind. Why can't a digital cable ready TV (i.e., one
>>> with a clear QAM tuner built in) work the same way after I order
>>> digital cable. Can't the cable company do something curbside?
>>
>> The STB they use are addressable from the CO of the cable company.
>> Each one has it's own MAC/IP address.....(they have cable modems in
>> them).
>>
>> You digital signals are already present in your analog cable. Just
>> give it a go, plug it into the DTV tuner and scan for channels.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> "Chet Hayes" <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>> news:b81a861b.0407241130.492ef906@posting.google.com...
>>>> "Rajendra Gondhalekar" <rajgon@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:<EcCdneWurusT6p_cRVn-rQ@comcast.com>...
>>>>> I have a related question. I do have a QAM capable tuner built
>>>>> into my TV. Since I have not subscribed to digital cable, I am
>>>>> only eligible for getting broadcast HD content (whether I have
>>>>> Comcast HD box or not). Currently my TV can get the unscrambled
>>>>> broadcast channels like it's supposed to. My question is this.
>>>>> If I subscribe to digital cable, can my TV start pulling in the
>>>>> digital channels and the additional HD channels like Discovery HD
>>>>> and ESPN HD without a cable box as well? Comcast customer
>>>>> support is not much help here and always wants me to install
>>>>> their box at $5 a month.
>>>>>
>>>>> "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:VuuMc.22625$8_6.2342@attbi_s04...
>>>>>> Verizon User wrote:
>>>>>>> If you are getting cable thru a coax cable coming into your
>>>>>>> home, and you don't require a cable box, will HDTV signal be
>>>>>>> able to be sent thru this cable? The problem is that I am
>>>>>>> getting cable but not getting charged. Now I know that there
>>>>>>> are special HD channels you get on digital cable, but standard
>>>>>>> networks (ABC, CBS, NBC) have HD programming. Is this only
>>>>>>> available if I have a HDTV antenna, or will the coax transmit
>>>>>>> it? I do know I need some sort of HD tuner/converter also.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your help!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have a QAM (I believe this is the right acronym) tuner
>>>>>> such as
>>>>> those
>>>>>> provided on the Mitsubishi TV's, you may be able to get local
>>>>>> channels
>>>>> that
>>>>>> are offered if they are not scrambled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're certainly not going to get the premium channels without a
>>>> STB, as that is what the cable company uses to gate the access.
>>>> If not STB were required, anyone could get it for free.
Jeff Rigby wrote:
> There is a differnet standard for digital HD tv between Over the Air
> Broadcasts and Cable. Few Cable companys are allowing Over the Air
> signals unaltered on cable. You must have a CABLE set top box to
> receive HD from cable.
I've pulled in CBS ABC NBC here in the bay area without the STB. It was
sometime last year, and it may have changed, but I was able to get them and
a couple of other digital stations from the basic digital package.
> I'm hoping this will change as more people
> have built in HD tuners in their TV's.
Yes, mine is built in and is QAM. It will pick up unscrambled digital cable
signals.
> It won't hurt to "memorize"
> the channels on cable, you have to do that anyway. If your cable
> company is more enlightened then some of your channels will be HD.
> The only way to know this other than the SOMETIMES obvious picture is
> to press the info button for that channel.
>
> Digital channels will also not work with your HD TV tuner.
As I stated, I have had them without the STB. Mileage may vary dependent on
cable system, of course.
>
>
> "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxcomcast.net> wrote in message
> news:cjRMc.27778$8_6.12682@attbi_s04...
>> Rajendra Gondhalekar wrote:
>>> But in the analog era somebody could have a cable ready TV, then
>>> subscribe to a premium channel like HBO, and then watch it without
>>> having a set top cable box. I am assuming this was possible because
>>> the feed was unencrypted at the curbside by a tech installing a
>>> filter on some kind. Why can't a digital cable ready TV (i.e., one
>>> with a clear QAM tuner built in) work the same way after I order
>>> digital cable. Can't the cable company do something curbside?
>>
>> The STB they use are addressable from the CO of the cable company.
>> Each one has it's own MAC/IP address.....(they have cable modems in
>> them).
>>
>> You digital signals are already present in your analog cable. Just
>> give it a go, plug it into the DTV tuner and scan for channels.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> "Chet Hayes" <trader4@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>> news:b81a861b.0407241130.492ef906@posting.google.com...
>>>> "Rajendra Gondhalekar" <rajgon@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:<EcCdneWurusT6p_cRVn-rQ@comcast.com>...
>>>>> I have a related question. I do have a QAM capable tuner built
>>>>> into my TV. Since I have not subscribed to digital cable, I am
>>>>> only eligible for getting broadcast HD content (whether I have
>>>>> Comcast HD box or not). Currently my TV can get the unscrambled
>>>>> broadcast channels like it's supposed to. My question is this.
>>>>> If I subscribe to digital cable, can my TV start pulling in the
>>>>> digital channels and the additional HD channels like Discovery HD
>>>>> and ESPN HD without a cable box as well? Comcast customer
>>>>> support is not much help here and always wants me to install
>>>>> their box at $5 a month.
>>>>>
>>>>> "L Alpert" <alpertl@xxcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:VuuMc.22625$8_6.2342@attbi_s04...
>>>>>> Verizon User wrote:
>>>>>>> If you are getting cable thru a coax cable coming into your
>>>>>>> home, and you don't require a cable box, will HDTV signal be
>>>>>>> able to be sent thru this cable? The problem is that I am
>>>>>>> getting cable but not getting charged. Now I know that there
>>>>>>> are special HD channels you get on digital cable, but standard
>>>>>>> networks (ABC, CBS, NBC) have HD programming. Is this only
>>>>>>> available if I have a HDTV antenna, or will the coax transmit
>>>>>>> it? I do know I need some sort of HD tuner/converter also.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your help!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have a QAM (I believe this is the right acronym) tuner
>>>>>> such as
>>>>> those
>>>>>> provided on the Mitsubishi TV's, you may be able to get local
>>>>>> channels
>>>>> that
>>>>>> are offered if they are not scrambled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're certainly not going to get the premium channels without a
>>>> STB, as that is what the cable company uses to gate the access.
>>>> If not STB were required, anyone could get it for free.
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