Canada Resorts to Net ''Throttling'' as Last Resort

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seatrotter

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As I recall, there are already network devices that are very capable of managing the bandwidth across a dynamic range of users. Say for the last minute, the device determined there were 50 users/ips (based on the upload stream packets). Based on that, it calculates BOTH the guaranteed bandwidth and burst/maximum/capped bandwidth for each ip. It does so every minute or n minutes.

So say the total limit is 50mbps. In the last minute, there were 50 active ips. The guaranteed bandwidth then is roughly 1mbps. The burst/maximum/capped bandwidth could either be the whole 50mbps or rule-/equation-based that could result to, say, 10mbps.

Of course, these devices are placed at, or near, the last node (where users/last mile connections are connected). Not only are they probably cheaper than DPIs and more automated than ISPs blindly throttling, but also it won't unnecessarily throttle users in areas where there are few active/heavy users.
 

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I wonder if anyone else has thought of this.

How about, instead of "capping" and "throttling" they either make the lines capable of supporting the speed they are offering OR make the speeds within what their equipment is capable of?

OH NO, that would mean that they would have to be honest... Nevermind.
 

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Not like I don't already have a cap; it's set at 100GB for the month. I'm quickly approaching it and it's still the third week.

I hate the CRTC. I hope we're more like Japan.
 

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One way to circumvent this disaster is to sign up with a smaller ISP, since all DSL connections are handled by Bell anyways.
I personally have teksavvy as my ISP and they charge 30 bucks for 200gb/month or unlimited somehow for 40.
 

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Shaw Cable (Canada) has been throttling and capping for years now...
How the fuck is this news?
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The ONLY thing that saves my ass is that they etremely poorly monitor my bandwidth. They report my used bandwidth was like 50GB when it was 200GB etc.

I also had issues were my speed would throttle when using it for prolonged periods (however, no longer done... for now).

Doesn't help my ISP (Shaw Cable) give me a 15:1 doanload/upload ratio (1MB/s:50KB/s... bytes, not bits).

[citation][nom]tomgash[/nom]One way to circumvent this disaster is to sign up with a smaller ISP, since all DSL connections are handled by Bell anyways.I personally have teksavvy as my ISP and they charge 30 bucks for 200gb/month or unlimited somehow for 40.[/citation]
Holy shit I love teksavvy... I'd buy a dual line with them! (Same price as my current would be anyways)... too bad they're not in Alberta...

[citation][nom]CompproB237[/nom]I wonder if anyone else has thought of this.How about, instead of "capping" and "throttling" they either make the lines capable of supporting the speed they are offering OR make the speeds within what their equipment is capable of?OH NO, that would mean that they would have to be honest... Nevermind.[/citation]
ha...
When they were fucking with the cables in my area, I was reaching 3megabytes/second or more...that didn't last long, but hey, it was awesome.
They certainly are taking a bloody shit on us...

In Canada, didn't the government pay to install all the cables anyways?
Maintenence costs are extremely low...
So, then, what exactly is their excuse for charging us so much?
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Think I may have attempt to have a little discussion with my ISP to see what they say.
 

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There are plenty of unprotected networks around me to tap into if this bandwidth cap crap takes hold in the U.S.A.
I'll use my neighbors broadband (very fast) for downloads or watching broadband videos.I feel sorry for you folks in Canada.
 

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Well, Canadians are like sheep. You can even cut them with a knife and they won't say anything. No wonder the government is pushing them around.
 

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[citation][nom]Shnur[/nom]Alright, now all the "unlimited" ISP's for 30$ are going down... yay!That, in my opinion is just plain dumb, I've actually stopped pirating stuff a year or two ago, since it was simpler to buy the product (music/movie/games) online rather than trying to get it from a torrent site. So basically by putting "brakes" to the file sharing is actually (in my case) going to hurt the economy for digital distribution that I find so convenient. I recently bought all the Half-Life 2's and Far Cry 2 because of a good deal on Steam... all together that's probably over 30-40gbs of pure download... LEGALLY. Again I think all this "anti-piracy" move is hurting more the real customers rather than the pirates. I see a point though, I'll spend less money all together on entertainment and go finish modding my car for drifting this winter[/citation]

This may be 30-40GB of legal download but it still would be off the cap of whatever your ISP would set it at. To me this will give the right to cap even the most uber ISP package, no matter how expensive you bought it at and that philosophy would trickle downhill. We're going back to the mid 90's way of having internet access. The illegal file sharing mongers out there have messed it up for themselves and everyone else. But not to worry, they have no guilt about it. They fall into the class of "want something for nothing" crowd.
 

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[citation][nom]climber[/nom]This may be 30-40GB of legal download but it still would be off the cap of whatever your ISP would set it at. To me this will give the right to cap even the most uber ISP package, no matter how expensive you bought it at and that philosophy would trickle downhill. We're going back to the mid 90's way of having internet access. The illegal file sharing mongers out there have messed it up for themselves and everyone else. But not to worry, they have no guilt about it. They fall into the class of "want something for nothing" crowd.[/citation]

Blaming the file sharing crowd?
Do you know Canadian law on file sharing? It's actually legal (though the use of software you don't own is entirely a different debate, in Canadian law atleast).

Some people pirate just because they don't have the cash, or wouldn't buy it normally. I buy games quite often, usually console games, but I do believe in the policy 'if you like it, buy it'. I've spend thousands on legit games, but I've also downloaded a terabyte or two...
I was also without a job for two years.
Stealing is stealing, I'll admit that, but I feel no woe fore file sharing. The companies still get plenty of my money, but instead of, say, 12 games a year (all bought at $60), I get 30 (8 @ $60, 22 for free). I actually feel bad if I can't get a good upload ratio (being my extremely limited upload speed).

I'll gladly go buy games that are on both PC and console for PC too if most ports weren't absolutely horrid...
I bought GTA4 for console, but 'shared' for PC... what a mess that was.

My ISP (Shaw Cable) actually gives people recommended torrent settings...
http://www.shaw.ca/en-ca/CustomerCare/InternetSupport/Residential/Sharing/%C3%BATorrent.htm
They suggest uploading damn near nothing though...


Even if I was buying most of my PC games, I'd be downloading them still. So, how does that change a thing?
 

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http://www.competitivebroadband.com/ DON'T LET THIS RULING PASS!!!!!!

seriously go sign the petition, this is rediculous!

god forbid broadband companies actually spend some money and try to bring fiber optic to everyone's house in major metro area's! I've had the same cable service for over 10 years now, and it's barely progressed over that timeframe. When we got the service, it was a 5mb line, it's now rated at 15mb, a step in the right direction, but honestly, 10mb increase over 10 years? that's just sad. We all know the major companies just don't want to dip into their profit margins to upgrade their network infrastructure so they've been trying to squeeze every last dime out of what they got. Now they're trying to pave the way to more profit on the same crappy old buisness model. Static buisness models like this just make me want to move to one of the countries in europe that already have fiber. Capping existing networks isn't the solution, if you can't handle the network load then it's obviously time for some massive upgrades!!!!!! DUH!!
 

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[citation][nom]krazyderek[/nom]http://www.competitivebroadband.com/ DON'T LET THIS RULING PASS!!!!!!seriously go sign the petition, this is rediculous!god forbid broadband companies actually spend some money and try to bring fiber optic to everyone's house in major metro area's! I've had the same cable service for over 10 years now, and it's barely progressed over that timeframe. When we got the service, it was a 5mb line, it's now rated at 15mb, a step in the right direction, but honestly, 10mb increase over 10 years? that's just sad. We all know the major companies just don't want to dip into their profit margins to upgrade their network infrastructure so they've been trying to squeeze every last dime out of what they got. Now they're trying to pave the way to more profit on the same crappy old buisness model. Static buisness models like this just make me want to move to one of the countries in europe that already have fiber. Capping existing networks isn't the solution, if you can't handle the network load then it's obviously time for some massive upgrades!!!!!! DUH!![/citation]
Hell I just want to move to Japan.
KDDI Japan offers 1Gb/s (upload/download) + phone for about $60 a month...
[citation][nom]g00ey[/nom]Well, Canadians are like sheep. You can even cut them with a knife and they won't say anything. No wonder the government is pushing them around.[/citation]
Oh, sorry sir, I seemed to have gotten your knife stuck in me, I must have accidently walked right into you while you were holding it out, how silly of me, I'm so sorry about that, if you'd let me just quickly go wash and sanitize that for you.
[citation][nom]MoUsE-WiZ[/nom]Curse our absurdly low population density![/citation]
Hmm... maybe our government should subsidize the cost of Viagra and put a heavy tariff on condoms (as they do to too many products as is).

Give me fiber optics mothafuckas!
 

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Ok I have one question. How can any internet provider in any country advertise "unlimited high speed" internet and then be allowed to limit both the amount and the high speed part? Isn't there a law against false advertising? You don't go into burger king and see a picture of a wopper and buy it only to be told you can eat half of it and only one bite per min. See people are getting mad, but they are missing the one law that gives them the right to fight back, bait and hook, ala false advertising.
 

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There are more and more news about digital distribution, legal media streaming, ...
But this kind of measures from ISPs would definitely hurt the digital economy.
 

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Another way for ISPs to not keep up with demand so they throttle back current usage or charge you more. No wonder other countries are surpassing North America in bandwidth speeds. Yes I know most other country's encompass a smaller geographic area but with the money that people shell out over here for internet speed it should be faster, or at least more reliable.
 

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Good old Canada.

If I turn up on a boat demanding asylum, or sneak through the border..or pay certain political interests large sums of money, do I get exception? Or do I get a list of requirements as long as my arm should I go through the right and proper process?

Good old Canada.
 
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