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Mark Crispin wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Bob Miller wrote:
>
>> Maybe you should try to read one of my post on the subject for a change.
>
>
> I read your posts, and you keep on puttin your fingers in your ears and
> screaming the same things in spite of evidence to the contrary.
>
>> In the UK they had early receivers that are still in use that were not
>> porperly designed that had problems with impulse noise. Couple that
>> with the very low power that is being broadcast and the particular
>> kind of early version COFDM they were using did cause a problem with
>> impulse noise. Later better desinged receivers, a doulbing of power
>> levels to around ONE kW and a chnage in the type of COFDM modulation
>> from 64 QAM to 16 QAm have all but eliminated any impulse noise
>> problem except for the old receivers.
>
>
> If that is the case, why are people in England still complaining about
> impulse noise problems with the new receivers?
There are close to 5 million receivers in the UK now. AFAIK there are
very few problems of any kind. Maybe a few receivers are defective. The
fact remains that they are selling like hell because the word of mouth
is so good about the product.
>
>> But as I have also said and you continue to ignore, England has an old
>> version of COFDM. Most of Europe has a far more advanced version and
>> it is being improved all the time.
>
>
> Then why do you keep on babbling about the "success" of COFDM in
> England? Why don't you admit that COFDM has been a miserable failure in
> England? Why don't you admit that the only way they can get people to
> accept COFDM receivers is by practically giving them away?
No one is giving away receivers in the UK. They are being sold by many
vendors to make a profit.
>
>>>> And they are selling recievers as fast as they can. The lowest price
>>>> is now $49.47 or $28 Pounds.
>>>
>>> How much of that is subsidized by the government through tax revenues?
>>
>> No subsidies for these free market receivers. NO MANDATES either.
>
>
> Bullshit. There is no such thing as a "free market" in UK television.
> Among other things, you have to have a license to own a TV receiver. I
> doubt very much that the non-governmental broadcasters are at liberty to
> broadcast in 8-VSB.
The fact that you have to buy a license for TV has no connection with
the reality that large numbers of viewers are converting to DTV from
analog or satellite because they are very happy with the product.
Freeview is free. The fact that UK citizens have decided to require a
license to support a public BBC TV Corp is completely a separate
reality. We also pay for PBS broadcasting in the US. We just pay it with
our taxes and those who watch no TV still have to pay. In the UK only
those who have a TV have to pay. Slightly more democratic.
>
>> As I have asked many times before tell me please how do I steal
>> bandwidth?
>
>
> Any and all use of television frequencies for non-television purposes is
> theft from the television service. We, the public, licensed the use of
> those frequences for television, not for bombarding bus riders with
> video advertising (which, like telemarketing, should be banned).
Try to follow this logic. I DON"T HAVE ANY OR ANY ACCESS TO BROADCAST TV
SPECTRUM. So how could I misuse it?
BTW we the people did not, in the case of DTV, license the spectrum just
for "television". The law that our representative and therefore WE the
people passed says that after delivering ONE NTSC quality program in the
free and clear, broadcasters (NOT ME) are free to deliver just about
anything they want and pay 5% of gross revenues in the bargain.
Those same representatives have decreed that they will and have
auctioned spectrum that is now broadcast spectrum, Channels 51 to 69, to
the highest bidder to again do a whole slew of non television type
things. It is therefor non TV spectrum after auction with the proviso
that the new owners have to wait for the digital transition or pay off
the broadcasters to move early. That is people that have bought spectrum
at auction can't use it until current broadcasts are ready to move or
until they get paid off. Those broadcasters who got their spectrum for
free now get to also pick the citizens pocket by demanding payment to
stop squatting on spectrum that is no longer theirs.
Understand that anyone who has purchased spectrum at auction has to
factor in and deduct from his highest bid that money they expect to have
to pay to the squatting broadcaster. That money deducted is money taken
from the taxpayer. And who facilitated this monstrous rip off? We the
peoples representatives in DC. The one descenting Senator as I remember
was Senator McCain. A real hero.
If you want to ban broadcasters from doing some things call up your
Senator or Congressperson and give them the list.
In the meantime I really would like to steal some of the spectrum the
the broadcasters got for free. Can you tell me how?
As a citizen I would like to get that money that was/is/will be stolen
from us as broadcasters make deals with spectrum winners.
As a spectrum winner I do not like the idea of paying again to a third
party and competitor money that by right should go to the treasury of
the US.
Bob Miller
>
> -- Mark --
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