I don't care what they say, if they make it available (like the i-products) and competitively priced, then they'll sell. Why is it that these idiot manufacturers can't get this simple ideology??? Cheap and available??? What about advertising? I've YET to see an ad for Dell and it's streak, but I've seen hundreds of iPad/iPhone/iPod commercials. Have they just thought that these things will sell on brand recognition alone???
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First of all, I am NOT an apple fanboy (actually I'm kind of an Android one) BUT even when the Xoom let me drooling as soon as I saw the price it was all over... I would never pay 600dlls for something that have LESS features than a 300dlls netbook, with all the poor opinions I have about Apple and specially iTunes I have to admit they are pricing their products better than most of the other Android tablet manufacturers.
The way I see things as soon as Asus and Samsung tablets get here that will start to change, and maybe in a year when Honeycomb or it successor get more mature and get a lot more apps the same thing that happened with smartphones will happen with tablets.
But as today, Dell with their crappy 7 inch tablet with poorer screen resolution than my frikkin original Droid and HP with their vaporware shouln't be making fun of a company they are trying so hard to emulate.
The way I see things as soon as Asus and Samsung tablets get here that will start to change, and maybe in a year when Honeycomb or it successor get more mature and get a lot more apps the same thing that happened with smartphones will happen with tablets.
But as today, Dell with their crappy 7 inch tablet with poorer screen resolution than my frikkin original Droid and HP with their vaporware shouln't be making fun of a company they are trying so hard to emulate.
"But longer term, open, capable and affordable will win, not closed, high price and proprietary,"
With exception of being open, current iPad 2 is more capable and affordable than competition. Performance-wise it beats more expensive competition (4 times better performance than Xoom), even those which are not on the market yet (like Galaxy S II, which is likely similar in performance to Xoom due to used chipset).
So, they explain quite well why Apple won so far the tablet war.
With exception of being open, current iPad 2 is more capable and affordable than competition. Performance-wise it beats more expensive competition (4 times better performance than Xoom), even those which are not on the market yet (like Galaxy S II, which is likely similar in performance to Xoom due to used chipset).
So, they explain quite well why Apple won so far the tablet war.
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[citation][nom]cyprod[/nom]molo9000, you see this is exactly what you don't understand. You are correct that 99% of users don't care about openness. But a lack of openness restricts them from doing what they want. And this they do care about. This is extremely common in tech. 99% of the people don't care about FFTs, but they sure do care about being able to watch HD content from a single disc.It's becoming increasingly common that I show a non-tech savvy friend something I've done on my droid, they think it's cool and ask me if I can do it on their iphone, and I have to explain to them that it's impossible because apple won't let me do it. This restricts the "apps, apps and more apps", thus potential customers do care about openness, even if not directly.[/citation]
@cyprod: You don't seem to understand the typical consumer. For the typical American consumer there are more apps out there then they would ever want or use in a lifetime. Why do you need 50 different versions of the same thing, especially if 4-5 decent versions are already available? The consumer has no idea of what openness is, nor do they care, nor will it have any impact on them and their choice of apps.
Having access to numerous apps brings to mind the typical teenage software pirate. They brag how they have over 50 apps for doing everything under the sun. Ask them how many they use everyday and you will get a response like "two or three." The first thing is that you have to learn the app, and then apply it. Add to the fact that you can only do so much in one day, then what is the point of owning or having access to hundreds of apps? There is none.
HP and Dell can bash Apple all they want, but they would be well served to spend their energies creating innovation. To give American's some credit here, I think the people of this country are growing weary of the continual bashing and criticizing of anything and everything.
@cyprod: You don't seem to understand the typical consumer. For the typical American consumer there are more apps out there then they would ever want or use in a lifetime. Why do you need 50 different versions of the same thing, especially if 4-5 decent versions are already available? The consumer has no idea of what openness is, nor do they care, nor will it have any impact on them and their choice of apps.
Having access to numerous apps brings to mind the typical teenage software pirate. They brag how they have over 50 apps for doing everything under the sun. Ask them how many they use everyday and you will get a response like "two or three." The first thing is that you have to learn the app, and then apply it. Add to the fact that you can only do so much in one day, then what is the point of owning or having access to hundreds of apps? There is none.
HP and Dell can bash Apple all they want, but they would be well served to spend their energies creating innovation. To give American's some credit here, I think the people of this country are growing weary of the continual bashing and criticizing of anything and everything.
[citation][nom]ericburnby[/nom]^ I can show anyone something my device can do that there's can't. Doesn't mean a thing as there's always going to be advantages to anything.I'd lime to know which Android phone you have, which version of Android you have and which iPhone your friend had. Then I'd like to know specifically what you showed him that he couldn't do.[/citation]
First thing that comes to mind:
-Download a DivX video.
-Plug in android phone, copy video onto it like you would on a flash drive without needing any additional software.
-Play the video on the phone.
For iPod/iPad/iPhone, you have to first convert that video into Apple-friendly format, then use iTunes to copy it on your phone. If you have a season of a TV show, we are talking hours and hours of conversion time. Doesn't sound like it "just works" to me.
First thing that comes to mind:
-Download a DivX video.
-Plug in android phone, copy video onto it like you would on a flash drive without needing any additional software.
-Play the video on the phone.
For iPod/iPad/iPhone, you have to first convert that video into Apple-friendly format, then use iTunes to copy it on your phone. If you have a season of a TV show, we are talking hours and hours of conversion time. Doesn't sound like it "just works" to me.
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[citation][nom]dark_knight33[/nom] Plug my phone in to any PC and copy over movies and music without needing to have 3rd party crapware (itunes) installed.*Use Flash based games/websites*Upgrade the storage capacity of my phone (Removable SD card, though it came stock with 32GB.)*Replace the battery without complete disassembly (obviously will need to do this, w/ the crap battery life my phone has)*Pwn any version of iPhone. (duh, winning)[/citation]
Hey Charlie Sheen... You are a crazy dude, trust me - you have Woodpecker blood, not tiger.
Anyways, good points. I think the iProducts are built for a 2~4 year life span... with new features that the owners would want to upgrade. The battery is still an UGH thing - not so much for replacement, but for a hard-reset - pull the battery. But by not having a battery cover - its a cleaner design and perhaps a bit more waterproof, also allowing them to make the unit a tad bit thinner.
Hey Charlie Sheen... You are a crazy dude, trust me - you have Woodpecker blood, not tiger.
Anyways, good points. I think the iProducts are built for a 2~4 year life span... with new features that the owners would want to upgrade. The battery is still an UGH thing - not so much for replacement, but for a hard-reset - pull the battery. But by not having a battery cover - its a cleaner design and perhaps a bit more waterproof, also allowing them to make the unit a tad bit thinner.
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[citation][nom]phexac[/nom]First thing that comes to mind:-Download a DivX video.-Plug in android phone, copy video onto it like you would on a flash drive without needing any additional software.-Play the video on the phone.For iPod/iPad/iPhone, you have to first convert that video into Apple-friendly format, then use iTunes to copy it on your phone. If you have a season of a TV show, we are talking hours and hours of conversion time. Doesn't sound like it "just works" to me.[/citation]
Wow, that's amazing, I know the primary use for my phone is to watch videos.
Wow, that's amazing, I know the primary use for my phone is to watch videos.
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[citation][nom]ericburnby[/nom]^ I can show anyone something my device can do that there's can't. Doesn't mean a thing as there's always going to be advantages to anything.I'd lime to know which Android phone you have, which version of Android you have and which iPhone your friend had. Then I'd like to know specifically what you showed him that he couldn't do.[/citation]
I can side load apps on my Gtablet running 2.1, 2.2, or 2.3 with a microSD card without root or jailbreaking. Is there an app for that?
I can side load apps on my Gtablet running 2.1, 2.2, or 2.3 with a microSD card without root or jailbreaking. Is there an app for that?
I dislike Apple as much as the next Windows fanboy, but HP and Dell have some serious problems themselves (doesn't help their users are idiots). I had an HP laptop and the thing was constantly overheating. I had an HP printer and it went dead after a year. Both companies need to get cases with more cooling and higher quality parts because their users will leave their PCs on for days on end.
"Wow, that's amazing, I know the primary use for my phone is to watch videos. "
Lol @ Apple fanbois. I don't like that feature so it doesn't count...
If the primary use for your phone is being a phone.... why the F do you have an iphone? Any old free with contract phone does that. You know what's supposed to make the iPhone different? The sh*t it can do on top of being a phone.
Lol @ Apple fanbois. I don't like that feature so it doesn't count...
If the primary use for your phone is being a phone.... why the F do you have an iphone? Any old free with contract phone does that. You know what's supposed to make the iPhone different? The sh*t it can do on top of being a phone.
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here is the facts folks. Right now. all tablets suck donkey. The Ipad is a glorified large screened Ipod nothing more. There isn't competition from Hp and Dell because what they have sucks too. Android is the only real innovative anything in the last 5 yrs. I'm not talking about phones here just the OS.
One another note the fact that numerous phone manufacturers make Android phones spreads the wealth around and more importantly gives consumers options and choices.
I see Apple as a communist regime who dictates approved computing devices for citizens. While i understand not everyone is a techie and not everyone wants to know how things are done or how to change them, many of us do. and if that ability is taken away or made modular and simplified it isn't interesting any more. It feels like technological censorship. Open markets based on approved standards is the way to go. Not simpleton products which gain notoriety solely based on ignorant popularity. Cocaine and free love were popular once too but that didn't make them the right choices for anyone. Conformist hipsters, fooouey.
One another note the fact that numerous phone manufacturers make Android phones spreads the wealth around and more importantly gives consumers options and choices.
I see Apple as a communist regime who dictates approved computing devices for citizens. While i understand not everyone is a techie and not everyone wants to know how things are done or how to change them, many of us do. and if that ability is taken away or made modular and simplified it isn't interesting any more. It feels like technological censorship. Open markets based on approved standards is the way to go. Not simpleton products which gain notoriety solely based on ignorant popularity. Cocaine and free love were popular once too but that didn't make them the right choices for anyone. Conformist hipsters, fooouey.
[citation][nom]phexac[/nom]First thing that comes to mind:-Download a DivX video.-Plug in android phone, copy video onto it like you would on a flash drive without needing any additional software.-Play the video on the phone.For iPod/iPad/iPhone, you have to first convert that video into Apple-friendly format, then use iTunes to copy it on your phone. If you have a season of a TV show, we are talking hours and hours of conversion time. Doesn't sound like it "just works" to me.[/citation]
You are holdi... thinking it wrong. No seriously. You are thinking as a techie. Average Joe does not think "let me find divX video" - he thinks "I want to watch a movie". And there are several ways to do it on iOS - the Apple way (iTV, iTunes store, whatever), Netflix and youtube comes to mind. There are probably others as well.
That's the whole idea of "closed" system - it forces you to use particular formats (and get milked in the way), but make it very eazy for you (to depart with money).
So, absolutely iPad2 device can do what you suggest doing. More over it has Airplay, so you can play movie directly from your iPad through iTV. That's what average Joe sees. Not DivX format - average Joe gives $$#$ about it
You are holdi... thinking it wrong. No seriously. You are thinking as a techie. Average Joe does not think "let me find divX video" - he thinks "I want to watch a movie". And there are several ways to do it on iOS - the Apple way (iTV, iTunes store, whatever), Netflix and youtube comes to mind. There are probably others as well.
That's the whole idea of "closed" system - it forces you to use particular formats (and get milked in the way), but make it very eazy for you (to depart with money).
So, absolutely iPad2 device can do what you suggest doing. More over it has Airplay, so you can play movie directly from your iPad through iTV. That's what average Joe sees. Not DivX format - average Joe gives $$#$ about it
Apple bashes PC's but now Dell and HP counter and we write a article on it? Tablet's are nothing more then Netbook power without the Keyboard. They are kiddy gaming machines with a built in browser. Yes, that's a simplified definition. But the hype will wear off soon.
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[citation][nom]pale paladin[/nom]here is the facts folks ....I see Apple as a communist regime who dictates approved computing devices for citizens. It feels like technological censorship. Open markets based on approved standards is the way to go. [/citation]
Here ARE the facts: Apple is not even close to being a communist regime (read Das Kapital), it is a very successful capitalist enterprise. If they every get over 50% of the market share, then one may be able to argue that they are a "monopoly," but until then they are a large corporation that has a small percentage of the market share.
Another fact, when a person buys an Apple product and agrees to the EUSA then they basically are saying to Apple that it is ok to choose what type of software I can buy because I want to use your OS. The beauty is that if the consumer does not like the choices that Apple provides them, then they can go with a Windows device.
Here ARE the facts: Apple is not even close to being a communist regime (read Das Kapital), it is a very successful capitalist enterprise. If they every get over 50% of the market share, then one may be able to argue that they are a "monopoly," but until then they are a large corporation that has a small percentage of the market share.
Another fact, when a person buys an Apple product and agrees to the EUSA then they basically are saying to Apple that it is ok to choose what type of software I can buy because I want to use your OS. The beauty is that if the consumer does not like the choices that Apple provides them, then they can go with a Windows device.
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jescott418 : uh... no. in 12 months time, more iPads were sold than the xbox360.
Its a useful device. If you don't need a tablet, then you won't buy one. Nobody is forcing you to buy anything.
Quick note: The real reason why iPad & iPhones don't support JAVA. Control.
All those APPS that Apple charges is by using their special APPS process going through Apple's APP store.
With FLASH, many of those same "apps" could be made with FLASH and sold without Apple making a cent.
Its a useful device. If you don't need a tablet, then you won't buy one. Nobody is forcing you to buy anything.
Quick note: The real reason why iPad & iPhones don't support JAVA. Control.
All those APPS that Apple charges is by using their special APPS process going through Apple's APP store.
With FLASH, many of those same "apps" could be made with FLASH and sold without Apple making a cent.
Because I want to watch high def .MKV files from torrented TV shows on it
Because I want to print to my Canon MP760
Because I want to play games on Candystand
Because I want to transfer photos from the Compact Flash card in my SLR camera and email them to a friend
Because I want to have an Excel spreadsheet sent to me, edit the content for this months figures and send it back.
No?
They why the f**k would I want to buy an iPad?
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[citation][nom]irh_1974[/nom]Because I want to watch high def .MKV files from torrented TV shows on itBecause I want to print to my Canon MP760Because I want to play games on CandystandBecause I want to transfer photos from the Compact Flash card in my SLR camera and email them to a friendBecause I want to have an Excel spreadsheet sent to me, edit the content for this months figures and send it back.No?They why the f**k would I want to buy an iPad?[/citation]
1. So you're a pirate and f&*king thief. Why should your opinion even matter?
2. You already can. If you spent time to learn about something you hate you might find out it can do more than you claim it can't. Oh wait, you're talking about a 5 year old printer. Seriously, what kind of idiot keeps a printer that long? I've read the reviews - it's not that good to hang on to for so long.
3. Playing crappy games is a reason to choose one device over another?
4. And which Android tablet has a CF card reader? Oh yeah, you're going to use an external reader and connect it to your tablet. Just like you can do with any iDevice.
5. I can do Excel on an iDevice. Curious as to which app you're using on Android since I've tried them all.
Nice try, thanks for playing.
later, hater
1. So you're a pirate and f&*king thief. Why should your opinion even matter?
2. You already can. If you spent time to learn about something you hate you might find out it can do more than you claim it can't. Oh wait, you're talking about a 5 year old printer. Seriously, what kind of idiot keeps a printer that long? I've read the reviews - it's not that good to hang on to for so long.
3. Playing crappy games is a reason to choose one device over another?
4. And which Android tablet has a CF card reader? Oh yeah, you're going to use an external reader and connect it to your tablet. Just like you can do with any iDevice.
5. I can do Excel on an iDevice. Curious as to which app you're using on Android since I've tried them all.
Nice try, thanks for playing.
later, hater
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[citation][nom]ericburnby[/nom]1. So you're a pirate and f&*king thief. Why should your opinion even matter?2. You already can. If you spent time to learn about something you hate you might find out it can do more than you claim it can't. Oh wait, you're talking about a 5 year old printer. Seriously, what kind of idiot keeps a printer that long? I've read the reviews - it's not that good to hang on to for so long.3. Playing crappy games is a reason to choose one device over another?4. And which Android tablet has a CF card reader? Oh yeah, you're going to use an external reader and connect it to your tablet. Just like you can do with any iDevice.5. I can do Excel on an iDevice. Curious as to which app you're using on Android since I've tried them all.Nice try, thanks for playing.later, hater[/citation]
1. Not all .mkv files from torrents are stolen. Maybe based off of your experience...
2. What kind of an idiot pays for an iPhone when Android can do EVERYTHING an iPhone can. Only with better hardware and lower price point, and more usable apps. Seriously who buys a "new" iDevice that has hardware that is considered mid-grade by its competition.
3. Can't argue with the crappy games thing. Candystand??? Really???
4. No Android tab has a CF reader, they do have microSD readers. How many iDevices have a microSD reader?
5. ThinkFree, OfficeToGo, QuickOffice. There are several others not even listed in the market. Any other questions?
1. Not all .mkv files from torrents are stolen. Maybe based off of your experience...
2. What kind of an idiot pays for an iPhone when Android can do EVERYTHING an iPhone can. Only with better hardware and lower price point, and more usable apps. Seriously who buys a "new" iDevice that has hardware that is considered mid-grade by its competition.
3. Can't argue with the crappy games thing. Candystand??? Really???
4. No Android tab has a CF reader, they do have microSD readers. How many iDevices have a microSD reader?
5. ThinkFree, OfficeToGo, QuickOffice. There are several others not even listed in the market. Any other questions?
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^ You should learn to read. Then your idiocy wouldn't be so obvious.
1. He posted specifically watching TV shows from torrents, not MKV files in general.
2. I don't torrent. I can afford to buy software I need.
3. You still need an adaptor to get CF into an Android device. Again, reading comprehension helps.
4. Android can do everything an iPhone can? Really? How many cars come with Android docks? How many have iPhone specific docks? My BMW will be able to have Internet access this spring when BMW adds their new tethering feature for the iPhone. No Android support is forthcoming, according to BMW.
5. Seriously, are you that stupid? The original poster suggested he could edit Excel on Android and you can't on an iDevice. Fact is, the more popular apps to do that are available on BOTH Android and iOS. I don't get where the thinks you can't edit Excel on an iOS device.
I'll say it again: read before you post.
1. He posted specifically watching TV shows from torrents, not MKV files in general.
2. I don't torrent. I can afford to buy software I need.
3. You still need an adaptor to get CF into an Android device. Again, reading comprehension helps.
4. Android can do everything an iPhone can? Really? How many cars come with Android docks? How many have iPhone specific docks? My BMW will be able to have Internet access this spring when BMW adds their new tethering feature for the iPhone. No Android support is forthcoming, according to BMW.
5. Seriously, are you that stupid? The original poster suggested he could edit Excel on Android and you can't on an iDevice. Fact is, the more popular apps to do that are available on BOTH Android and iOS. I don't get where the thinks you can't edit Excel on an iOS device.
I'll say it again: read before you post.
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