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Troy wrote:

> Or he could learn to play the Kazzoo.I hear there is a good market for free
> Kazzoo music on P2P

If Maria Muldaur or my first wife is playing the kazoo, I'm willing to
pay for it.

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"David Morgan (MAMS)" <mams@NOSPAm-a-m-s.com> wrote:
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> Other 'stunningly convenient' happenings include packet loss,
> incorrectly titled files, and being half finished with a long
> download and the machine you're loading from is terminated, getting
> files that fools have manipulated to their liking before making them
> available, and logging onto a fake peer that has a computer full of
> files that are purposely corrupted and virus-laden,yadda, yadda,
> yadda...


Heck, you don't even have to get into all that before you got trouble.
Just loading the damn client software turns your computer into someone
else's server. Nothing like slowing your system to a crawl so someone
else can use it to send spam (or worse) without your knowledge.

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"Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote:
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> What's your point? Why would one have to "experience" the P2P Music
> Experience to know whether something was morally wrong or not?



What Mike said. I've never robbed a convenience store at gunpoint, but
I'm pretty sure I can form a valid opinion about whether it's right or
wrong without having first-hand experience.

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"Bill Van Dyk" <trash@christian-horizons.org> wrote:
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> [...] Either you believe the innumerable stories of artists getting
> ripped off and exploited and cheated (like Tom Petty, Michelle
> Shocked, Counting Crows, Byrds, Beatles, etc., etc., etc.) or you
> don't, but it would take a remarkable leap of faith to believe that
> they could be treated any worse under a new system.




Let's assume your opinion of the current system is valid. Explain to me
how it justifies stealing music. At least record companies give artists
*something*. P2P gives 'em nada.

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"Lorin David Schultz" <Lorin@DAMNSPAM!v5v.ca> wrote in message
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> "Bill Van Dyk" <trash@christian-horizons.org> wrote:
>>
>> [...] Either you believe the innumerable stories of artists getting
>> ripped off and exploited and cheated (like Tom Petty, Michelle
>> Shocked, Counting Crows, Byrds, Beatles, etc., etc., etc.) or you
>> don't, but it would take a remarkable leap of faith to believe that
>> they could be treated any worse under a new system.
>
>
>
>
> Let's assume your opinion of the current system is valid. Explain to me
> how it justifies stealing music. At least record companies give artists
> *something*. P2P gives 'em nada.


I don't agree that p2p gives artists nothing. It exposes artist's music to
millions of people (potential customers). The better the quality of music
the more it makes the rounds. That turns into revenue via traditional
methods (like concert revenue).


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"Kurt Albershardt" <kurt@nv.net> wrote in message
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> Hev wrote:
> >
> > Think of a business that locked its vendors into contracts where
> > making money was an uphill battle. Does that seem just to you?
>
> Seems to me a lot like selling to Trader Joe's or Costco.
>
or Wal-Mart, or Disney...

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>
>
> I don't agree that p2p gives artists nothing. It exposes artist's music to
> millions of people (potential customers).


no NOT potential customers
potential freeloaders
are these people going to insist on paying for what they can take for free?

 

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"George Gleason" <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>>
>>
>> I don't agree that p2p gives artists nothing. It exposes artist's music
>> to millions of people (potential customers).
>
>
> no NOT potential customers
> potential freeloaders
> are these people going to insist on paying for what they can take for
> free?


Unless they are uploading themselves into venues you are wrong....

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In article <M9bWd.1251$gJ3.556@clgrps13> Lorin@DAMNSPAM!v5v.ca writes:

> Let's assume your opinion of the current system is valid. Explain to me
> how it justifies stealing music. At least record companies give artists
> *something*. P2P gives 'em nada.

Would this discussion go differently if we didn't use the phrase
"stealing music" but rather said "The artists have nothing to sell."?
Would we go after a solution differently? Would we come up with
constructive ways to assure some source of income for music creators
and performers? Or would we still say "adapt or starve"?

Creative musicians will always create music. But if they can't sell it
in recorded form, they'll just have to start selling it in performance
form - maybe you'll have to get your music fix by attending concerts,
or sitting around a campfire listening to a few people pass a guitar
around.

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David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:

> The "Computer Generation".... Ha! ;-)
>
> Anybody else besides Scott D., Mike R., Kurt A., and a couple of others,
> start out on a TRS-80 with a cassette tape drive ?? From like, before
> brother Hev was conceived?

No, mine was an IBM 7094 with punched card reader and 9
track tapes. I was designing mainframes by 1967 and coding
8 bit microprocessor systems by 1975.

If he'd said the "bandwidth generation" he would have been
closer to the mark.


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"Troy" <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Walmart does this.


Are you defending a chain that damn near treats its employees like slaves? I
asked if it was just, not who was doing it.


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"Troy" <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Welcome to the world of business.Walmart actually treat their employees
> pretty good compaired to some big businesses.I am not defending Walmart
> just
> stating the truth.
>
> Maybe when you grow up and learn how to run a business for yourself you
> will
> see whats involved in keeping profits up.


I am currently running two. A retail store and an online store. I make a
living and still provide health insurance for my employees via a group plan.

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"Troy" <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> From all your comments on the music industry and online theft
> You would never know it.
>
> So is it ok that I come into your "retail store" and take things off you
> shelf and walk out with out paying for them because I think you are
> charging
> to much for them???.What if the rest of the group joins me and we tell all
> our friends to come to?????.Maybe we will post online that you charge to
> much so everyone just walk in and take what you want???.
>
> This is what you do every time you download.
>
> It woulden't belong before you would be out of business as product is
> moving
> but no cash is coming in for the products going out.
>
> Think about that


Theoretically if the products in my store could be downloaded, and that was
the new way my customers wanted to receive my products.... I would ADAPT a
service that allowed them to do so. The recording industry has not adapted
and p2p is the side-effect of this.



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Hev wrote:

> Theoretically if the products in my store could be downloaded, and that was
> the new way my customers wanted to receive my products.... I would ADAPT a
> service that allowed them to do so. The recording industry has not adapted
> and p2p is the side-effect of this.

Empty words without a workable proposal for this so called
adaption. You've offered nothing of substance and are
blinded by the smoke you're blowing up your own ass to make
it ok to steal.

The only adaption that works without a revolution in
protection technology is removing money from all but live
performance and I think you are going to be _very_
disappointed with what remains. The cacaphony and bandwidth
of the internet provides no effective means of selection,
promotion or artist development. You'll get what you can
see and that's about it.

You totally disregard the value value added by the current
industry configuration and I think I can safely guess that
you see none. You will in its absence. It really pisses me
off that your theieving generation may well steal it from
those of us who value it. If that is the nature of your
generation's ethics, god help you.


Bob
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On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 07:44:58 GMT, George Gleason
<g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>
>>
>>
>> I don't agree that p2p gives artists nothing. It exposes artist's music to
>> millions of people (potential customers).
>
>
>no NOT potential customers
>potential freeloaders
>are these people going to insist on paying for what they can take for free?

Yes, potential customers, who will attend shows and who will want the
better-sounding CDs. Music fans still support their favorite acts.

Al

 

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"David Morgan (MAMS)" <mams@NOSPAm-a-m-s.com> wrote in message news:byeWd.58810$uc.9922@trnddc08...
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> The "Computer Generation".... Ha! ;-)
>
> Anybody else besides Scott D., Mike R., Kurt A., and a couple
> of others, start out on a TRS-80 with a cassette tape drive ??
> From like, before brother Hev was conceived?
>
> DM
>
IBM 1130 systems at Ohio U. and Marietta College in the late '60s
using Fortran and assembly language.

 

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"Troy" <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> How could you adapt if people are just taking your items and there is no
> way
> of charging them for taking them?.You would be out of business in no
> time.The only thing you would be able to adapt to is the unemployment
> line.
>
> You still don't get it.....there is no way to collect money from P2P that
> is
> the problem.The music industry can't adapt because there is no technology
> yet to "adapt" to.They are willing and able to adapt but there is no
> software on the market to track downloading on P2P and charge for the
> download.Money going out but no money coming in = out of business....as a
> manager I'm sure even you can understand this simple term.


There are so many draw-backs to p2p. I would attack these weaknesses and
draw the p2p users to my site that offered speed and reliability, where I
could promote concerts, CD's, merch, and sell advertising space. Embrace the
youth culture.

We see a form of this model working with the new music services. $10 a month
for access to 800,000 songs... now that's fair! $18.99 for 11 songs with
maybe 2 good songs on the disc is not. Technology (and lack of artist
development) has made this transition happen and it is that technology we
need to adapt to.

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"Troy" <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> If customers wanted to download your products then it is available then
> what
> about all the people who want to download yourproducts and share them with
> the rest of the dowload comunity so they don't have to go buy it from
> you.Looks like you are out of business.


P2P has so many draw-backs. I would offer speed and convenience to lure my
customers back to the source.

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"Bob Cain" <arcane@arcanemethods.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
>
>> The "Computer Generation".... Ha! ;-)
>>
>> Anybody else besides Scott D., Mike R., Kurt A., and a couple of others,
>> start out on a TRS-80 with a cassette tape drive ?? From like, before
>> brother Hev was conceived?
>
> No, mine was an IBM 7094 with punched card reader and 9 track tapes. I
> was designing mainframes by 1967 and coding 8 bit microprocessor systems
> by 1975.
>
> If he'd said the "bandwidth generation" he would have been closer to the
> mark.


P2P generation then. I still remember the floppy disks (that were actually
floppy) that were the size of my head.



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"David Morgan (MAMS)" <mams@NOSPAm-a-m-s.com> wrote in message
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> The "Computer Generation".... Ha! ;-)
>
> Anybody else besides Scott D., Mike R., Kurt A., and a couple of others,
> start out on a TRS-80 with a cassette tape drive ?? From like, before
> brother Hev was conceived?
>

Model I, Level II. I had the tape drive and the little gray amplifier for
sound effects. I couldn't use the cassette and the amplifier at the same
time.

jb