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Hev wrote:
> "George Gleason" <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>I don't agree that p2p gives artists nothing. It exposes artist's music
>>>to millions of people (potential customers).
>>
>>
>>no NOT potential customers
>>potential freeloaders
>>are these people going to insist on paying for what they can take for
>>free?
>
>
>
> Unless they are uploading themselves into venues you are wrong....
>

I geuss if you want to enjoy a famous novel you need the author come
recite it for you
or if you want to enjoy Jim Carey's "Mask" he needs to act it live for you

artists can and do make clips available as previews
that is not what we are talking about
we are talking about you who take what is not yours to take and make
avaialble what is not yours to give away

by your logic, if I had a friend who stole a pile of concert tickets I
have a right to obtain them, distribute them and use them
that is the single weakest argument I have heard here yet
you are a real piece of "work" buddy
George

 

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"George Gleason" <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Hev wrote:
>> "George Gleason" <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> news:_rdWd.102937$Th1.76753@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>>>>
>>>>I don't agree that p2p gives artists nothing. It exposes artist's music
>>>>to millions of people (potential customers).
>>>
>>>
>>>no NOT potential customers
>>>potential freeloaders
>>>are these people going to insist on paying for what they can take for
>>>free?
>>
>>
>>
>> Unless they are uploading themselves into venues you are wrong....
>>
>
> I geuss if you want to enjoy a famous novel you need the author come
> recite it for you
> or if you want to enjoy Jim Carey's "Mask" he needs to act it live for
> you


Have you heard of Netflix? Even though I could make an exact digital copy of
every movie I rent the movie industry somehow survives. Just as the music
industry would survive if they offered a service that gave me access to any
music album to listen to.

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In article <55jWd.329839$w62.286579@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> g.p.gleason@att.net writes:

> by your logic, if I had a friend who stole a pile of concert tickets I
> have a right to obtain them, distribute them and use them

Yeah, how come nobody has given the world free downloadable copies of
concert tickets? Perhaps because we all don't yet have the capability
of easily printing on the correct color and stock of cardboard?

What do you think would happen if the promoted knew he sold 6,000
tickets and there were 18,000 people standing in line waiting to get
in, all of whom had tickets that they got free just by downloading and
"burning" them?


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"play on" <playonAT@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 07:44:58 GMT, George Gleason
> <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't agree that p2p gives artists nothing. It exposes artist's music
>>> to
>>> millions of people (potential customers).
>>
>>
>>no NOT potential customers
>>potential freeloaders
>>are these people going to insist on paying for what they can take for
>>free?
>
> Yes, potential customers, who will attend shows and who will want the
> better-sounding CDs. Music fans still support their favorite acts.
>
> Al


A big thank you Al.

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"David Morgan (MAMS)" <mams@NOSPAm-a-m-s.com> wrote in message
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> The "Computer Generation".... Ha! ;-)
>
> Anybody else besides Scott D., Mike R., Kurt A., and a couple of others,
> start out on a TRS-80 with a cassette tape drive ?? From like, before
> brother Hev was conceived?
>
Me, me, me!!! Trash 80 Model III and Model IV for databases, word
processing, etc. TI 99 for games (such as they were). But my first sequencer
(Oberheim RMX) also loaded via cassette tape. Ignoring DSP based effects
boxes (which could be considered computers), I have currently have three
computers in the control room - console automation, PT HD3 rig and the one
I'm typing on. That doesn't count the computers at home.

'Computer Generation', indeed.

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Bob Cain wrote:

> No, mine was an IBM 7094 with punched card reader and 9 track tapes. I
> was designing mainframes by 1967 and coding 8 bit microprocessor systems
> by 1975.

1st interactive use: Illiac II in 1965. Bet I could still program an
IBM 029 drum card.

 

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Bob this guy is just a retarded dumb ass.He dosen't even know what he is
trying to say anymore.



Bob Cain <arcane@arcanemethods.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Hev wrote:
>
> > Theoretically if the products in my store could be downloaded, and that
was
> > the new way my customers wanted to receive my products.... I would ADAPT
a
> > service that allowed them to do so. The recording industry has not
adapted
> > and p2p is the side-effect of this.
>
> Empty words without a workable proposal for this so called
> adaption. You've offered nothing of substance and are
> blinded by the smoke you're blowing up your own ass to make
> it ok to steal.
>
> The only adaption that works without a revolution in
> protection technology is removing money from all but live
> performance and I think you are going to be _very_
> disappointed with what remains. The cacaphony and bandwidth
> of the internet provides no effective means of selection,
> promotion or artist development. You'll get what you can
> see and that's about it.
>
> You totally disregard the value value added by the current
> industry configuration and I think I can safely guess that
> you see none. You will in its absence. It really pisses me
> off that your theieving generation may well steal it from
> those of us who value it. If that is the nature of your
> generation's ethics, god help you.
>
>
> Bob
> --
>
> "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
> simpler."
>
> A. Einstein

 

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Troy wrote:

> It woulden't belong before you would be out of business as product is moving
> but no cash is coming in for the products going out.

Yeah, but lots of folks would be talking about his store! A lot of
people would really like his store!

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Hev wrote:

> Have you heard of Netflix?

Yep, and as you type there is a group of dedicated computeristos working
to get 25K of Netflix's inventory processed for free downloading. When
the braodband action gets most everywhere you can kiss Netflix goodbye,
thanks to people like who will steal the material, just because they
can.

The problem with your model is you.

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Hev wrote:
> "George Gleason" <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:55jWd.329839$w62.286579@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>>Hev wrote:
>>
>>>"George Gleason" <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>>>news:_rdWd.102937$Th1.76753@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I don't agree that p2p gives artists nothing. It exposes artist's music
>>>>>to millions of people (potential customers).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>no NOT potential customers
>>>>potential freeloaders
>>>>are these people going to insist on paying for what they can take for
>>>>free?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Unless they are uploading themselves into venues you are wrong....
>>>
>>
>>I geuss if you want to enjoy a famous novel you need the author come
>>recite it for you
>>or if you want to enjoy Jim Carey's "Mask" he needs to act it live for
>>you
>
>
>
> Have you heard of Netflix? Even though I could make an exact digital copy of
> every movie I rent the movie industry somehow survives. Just as the music
> industry would survive if they offered a service that gave me access to any
> music album to listen to.
>

Have you ever heard of The Beatles?
they didn't tour after 1966
Nobody how ever much they wanted to spend would have ever heard Sgt
Peppers beacuse it was NEVER done live
some artists , even great artists choose to SELL their art
you choose to steal it
'you should have your balls cut off
George

 

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"George Gleason" <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Hev wrote:
>> "George Gleason" <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> news:55jWd.329839$w62.286579@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>>>Hev wrote:
>>>
>>>>"George Gleason" <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:_rdWd.102937$Th1.76753@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>I don't agree that p2p gives artists nothing. It exposes artist's
>>>>>>music to millions of people (potential customers).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>no NOT potential customers
>>>>>potential freeloaders
>>>>>are these people going to insist on paying for what they can take for
>>>>>free?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Unless they are uploading themselves into venues you are wrong....
>>>>
>>>
>>>I geuss if you want to enjoy a famous novel you need the author come
>>>recite it for you
>>>or if you want to enjoy Jim Carey's "Mask" he needs to act it live for
>>>you
>>
>>
>>
>> Have you heard of Netflix? Even though I could make an exact digital copy
>> of every movie I rent the movie industry somehow survives. Just as the
>> music industry would survive if they offered a service that gave me
>> access to any music album to listen to.
>>
>
> Have you ever heard of The Beatles?
> they didn't tour after 1966
> Nobody how ever much they wanted to spend would have ever heard Sgt
> Peppers beacuse it was NEVER done live
> some artists , even great artists choose to SELL their art
> you choose to steal it
> 'you should have your balls cut off


We wouldn't have much of a society left if you did that to all of this
generations file sharers.
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play on wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 07:44:58 GMT, George Gleason
> <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>>I don't agree that p2p gives artists nothing. It exposes artist's music to
>>>millions of people (potential customers).
>>
>>
>>no NOT potential customers
>>potential freeloaders
>>are these people going to insist on paying for what they can take for free?
>
>
> Yes, potential customers, who will attend shows and who will want the
> better-sounding CDs. Music fans still support their favorite acts.
>
> Al


Ever heard of The Beatles
how would you have gotten their music ?
they didn't tour
George

 

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play on wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 16:24:37 GMT, "Troy" <alternate-root@shaw.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Welcome to the world of business.Walmart actually treat their employees
>>pretty good compaired to some big businesses.
>
>
> Like locking their employees in the store all night?
>
> Al
>
where is the problem with this?
I worked as night janitor at JC Pennys all through high school
I was always locked in
George

 

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George Gleason wrote:
> play on wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 07:44:58 GMT, George Gleason
>> <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't agree that p2p gives artists nothing. It exposes artist's
>>>> music to millions of people (potential customers).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> no NOT potential customers
>>> potential freeloaders
>>> are these people going to insist on paying for what they can take for
>>> free?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, potential customers, who will attend shows and who will want the
>> better-sounding CDs. Music fans still support their favorite acts.
>>
>> Al
>
>
>
> Ever heard of The Beatles
> how would you have gotten their music ?
> they didn't tour
> George


"most" p2p folks are listening to mp3 on Ipod like devices they dont
care about quality
and what makes you think that quality equal to any cd on earth can't be
made available for the file thieves?
george

 

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>>
>>Have you ever heard of The Beatles?
>>they didn't tour after 1966
>>Nobody how ever much they wanted to spend would have ever heard Sgt
>>Peppers beacuse it was NEVER done live
>>some artists , even great artists choose to SELL their art
>>you choose to steal it
>>'you should have your balls cut off
>
>
>
> We wouldn't have much of a society left if you did that to all of this
> generations file sharers.

if you stand as a role model for the next generation perhaps it is time
to thin the herd

 

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Hev <wrote:

> I still remember the floppy disks (that were actually
> floppy) that were the size of my head.

Apparently those were larger than hay bales.

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"hank alrich" <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote in message
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> Hev <wrote:
>
>> I still remember the floppy disks (that were actually
>> floppy) that were the size of my head.
>
> Apparently those were larger than hay bales.


No, that is the other head.


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On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 20:45:00 GMT, George Gleason
<g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>play on wrote:
>> On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 16:24:37 GMT, "Troy" <alternate-root@shaw.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Welcome to the world of business.Walmart actually treat their employees
>>>pretty good compaired to some big businesses.
>>
>>
>> Like locking their employees in the store all night?
>>
>> Al
>>
>where is the problem with this?
>I worked as night janitor at JC Pennys all through high school
>I was always locked in

I guess everyone's idea of a good time is a little different.

Al

 

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On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 20:43:02 GMT, George Gleason
<g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>play on wrote:
>> On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 07:44:58 GMT, George Gleason
>> <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>I don't agree that p2p gives artists nothing. It exposes artist's music to
>>>>millions of people (potential customers).
>>>
>>>
>>>no NOT potential customers
>>>potential freeloaders
>>>are these people going to insist on paying for what they can take for free?
>>
>>
>> Yes, potential customers, who will attend shows and who will want the
>> better-sounding CDs. Music fans still support their favorite acts.
>>
>> Al
>
>
>Ever heard of The Beatles
>how would you have gotten their music ?
>they didn't tour

What do you mean, they didn't tour? They toured thru most of their
career, only stopped after Sgt Pepper, which wasn't too long before
they broke up.

Al

 

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"Richard Crowley" <rcrowley7@xprt.net> wrote in message
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> >> Anybody else besides Scott D., Mike R., Kurt A., and a couple of
> >> others, start out on a TRS-80 with a cassette tape drive ??
> >
> >
> > I started on an HP desktop (probably a 9830A) and moved from there to
> > a Wang System 2200S (with 8k of RAM!)
> >
> > I remember the Trash80s, but by then I was on my way to UCSB (Itel
> > AS/6, PDP11/45s and PDP11/70s.)
>
> How about an IBM 1620 & 1402 with punch-cards?

Yep, 1620 here too. But then I jumped to a System 360. And then gave it all
up until I could afford a used 286.

Peace,
Paul