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In article <2vdl21t3qve75elrtf436q4e85qblg6obr@4ax.com> playonAT@comcast.net writes:

> >Ever heard of The Beatles

> What do you mean, they didn't tour? They toured thru most of their
> career, only stopped after Sgt Pepper, which wasn't too long before
> they broke up.

The Beatles were, and still are a legend. It's not fair to bring
legends into the discussion because they're an anomoly. People didn't
buyu Beatles records because they saw the show and liked the band,
they went to the show because they had the records and wanted to be
part of the frenzy.

The Beatles were a pretty short-lived band. If you want an example of
a band that tours, records, and makes money over the long haul, try
The Rolling Stones.



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"Troy" <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Hev.......P2P could mean mega bucks.....YES.....but the problem is no one
> has figured out a way to collect royalties and make it work for all
parties
> involved.

Actually, I believe there are several ways to do it, and most likely Sony
and BMG believe that too. As soon as the first wave of p2p is put out of
business (through expensive, brute-force litigation which prevents p2p
companies from growing) soemone will either buy the shell of the p2p
companies and put it to service (like Napster was bought after the 'first
wave' was over) or start their own decentralized download services.

>Once you make one P2P legal and start collecting royalties 10 more
> illigal ones would pop up.

Not anything that could make any money. Notice how downloading via web dried
up after the Napster debacle?

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Mike Rivers wrote:
> In article <2vdl21t3qve75elrtf436q4e85qblg6obr@4ax.com> playonAT@comcast.net writes:
>
>
>>>Ever heard of The Beatles
>
>
>>What do you mean, they didn't tour? They toured thru most of their
>>career, only stopped after Sgt Pepper, which wasn't too long before
>>they broke up.
>
>
> The Beatles were, and still are a legend. It's not fair to bring
> legends into the discussion because they're an anomoly. People didn't
> buyu Beatles records because they saw the show and liked the band,
> they went to the show because they had the records and wanted to be
> part of the frenzy.
>
> The Beatles were a pretty short-lived band. If you want an example of
> a band that tours, records, and makes money over the long haul, try
> The Rolling Stones.
>
>
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo


actually Mike I was making a example of music that would not have been
heard if it wasn't for the selling of the recordings
as hevster points out the only VALID revenue a musician can have is live
performing
how many of us caught the Abbey Road tour?
George

 

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"George Gleason" <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Mike Rivers wrote:
>> In article <2vdl21t3qve75elrtf436q4e85qblg6obr@4ax.com>
>> playonAT@comcast.net writes:
>>
>>
>>>>Ever heard of The Beatles
>>
>>
>>>What do you mean, they didn't tour? They toured thru most of their
>>>career, only stopped after Sgt Pepper, which wasn't too long before
>>>they broke up.
>>
>>
>> The Beatles were, and still are a legend. It's not fair to bring
>> legends into the discussion because they're an anomoly. People didn't
>> buyu Beatles records because they saw the show and liked the band,
>> they went to the show because they had the records and wanted to be
>> part of the frenzy.
>>
>> The Beatles were a pretty short-lived band. If you want an example of
>> a band that tours, records, and makes money over the long haul, try
>> The Rolling Stones.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
>> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
>> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
>> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
>> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
>
>
> actually Mike I was making a example of music that would not have been
> heard if it wasn't for the selling of the recordings
> as hevster points out the only VALID revenue a musician can have is live
> performing
> how many of us caught the Abbey Road tour?


I didn't speak of validity. I was thinking how labels and artists could
generate revenue in post p2p world.

I'm sure ticket prices have already been bumped up a bit.

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Hev wrote:
> "George Gleason" <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:TAGWd.107526$Th1.52303@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>>Mike Rivers wrote:
>>
>>>In article <2vdl21t3qve75elrtf436q4e85qblg6obr@4ax.com>
>>>playonAT@comcast.net writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Ever heard of The Beatles
>>>
>>>
>>>>What do you mean, they didn't tour? They toured thru most of their
>>>>career, only stopped after Sgt Pepper, which wasn't too long before
>>>>they broke up.
>>>
>>>
>>>The Beatles were, and still are a legend. It's not fair to bring
>>>legends into the discussion because they're an anomoly. People didn't
>>>buyu Beatles records because they saw the show and liked the band,
>>>they went to the show because they had the records and wanted to be
>>>part of the frenzy.
>>>
>>>The Beatles were a pretty short-lived band. If you want an example of
>>>a band that tours, records, and makes money over the long haul, try
>>>The Rolling Stones.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
>>>However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
>>>lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
>>>you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
>>>and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
>>
>>
>>actually Mike I was making a example of music that would not have been
>>heard if it wasn't for the selling of the recordings
>>as hevster points out the only VALID revenue a musician can have is live
>>performing
>>how many of us caught the Abbey Road tour?
>
>
>
> I didn't speak of validity. I was thinking how labels and artists could
> generate revenue in post p2p world.
>
> I'm sure ticket prices have already been bumped up a bit.
>
your feel you have a RIGHT to free downloading, this makes the value of
this music NOTHING, as that is what you are willing to pay for it
but you say artists should be happy using freedownloads to fuel concert
ticket purchases
some bands DON"T TOUR
and I guess you think Paul already has earned enough of "yesterday"
you and Nixon love those wage and price controls

George

 

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On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 17:05:25 GMT, George Gleason
<g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>your feel you have a RIGHT to free downloading, this makes the value of
>this music NOTHING,

Just to pick nits, no, it's not the music that becomes devalued --
it's the recordings of the music.

Al

 

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Hev wrote:

> I still remember the floppy disks (that were actually
> floppy) that were the size of my head.

I was the very first floppy user internal to IBM in about
1968 and coded the first IBM channel attached controler to
write them. Our controler was a four bit unit that could
access 4K digits of ram. It had the first load/store risc
architecture. In fact it had no logical or arithemetic
instructions at all and did only load, store, branch on
accumulator zero, branch, and branch and link. Logic and
arithmetic was done by table lookup in subroutines using
self modifying code. It could do anything, albiet slowly.

I saw six or seven iterations, all radically different, of
that 8" floppy design before the designers finally settled
on the oxide coated mylar disc in an envelope. Some of them
were absolutely laughable mechanically.

The floppy was invented as a device for loading microcode
and microdiagnostics into the mainframes that I was involved
in designing. The rest is, as they say, history.


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Gidney and Cloyd wrote:
> Bob Cain wrote:
>
>> No, mine was an IBM 7094 with punched card reader and 9 track tapes.
>> I was designing mainframes by 1967 and coding 8 bit microprocessor
>> systems by 1975.
>
>
> 1st interactive use: Illiac II in 1965. Bet I could still program an
> IBM 029 drum card.

O'mgod I'd totally forgotten about those!


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Dave Martin wrote:

> "Hev" wrote...

> > I think I have found the solution to the industry: scratch and sniff album
> > covers!

> It's been done. Try again.

And they're so hard to download!

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Hev wrote:

> Seems to happen in every waning season. The boomers have become "the man".

Yet you're the whiney child lamenting handguns, wanting the man to take
'em all away. If you had a brain you'd be somebody else.

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"hank alrich" <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote in message
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> Hev wrote:
>
>> Seems to happen in every waning season. The boomers have become "the
>> man".
>
> Yet you're the whiney child lamenting handguns, wanting the man to take
> 'em all away. If you had a brain you'd be somebody else.


That was deep Hank. Let me light some incense and reflect.

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On 2 Mar 2005 12:14:36 -0500, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers) wrote:

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>In article <4jiVd.2480$L17.590@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> mrtomm@earthlink.net writes:
>
>> Ella don't need no stinking Auto-tune, EVER!!!!
>
>But if it had been invented while she was actively recording, would
>they have used it anyway? Probably so, sadly.

And they DEFINITELY would have used it to "fix" Billie Holiday.

Can you imagine?????


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George Gleason wrote:

> works for me
> I can abide sun worship


Except that Syracuse never gets any. ; )

 

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Bob Cain <arcane@arcanemethods.com> wrote in
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>
> Hev wrote:
>
>> Theoretically if the products in my store could be downloaded, and
>> that was the new way my customers wanted to receive my products.... I
>> would ADAPT a service that allowed them to do so. The recording
>> industry has not adapted and p2p is the side-effect of this.
>
> Empty words without a workable proposal for this so called
> adaption. You've offered nothing of substance and are
> blinded by the smoke you're blowing up your own ass to make
> it ok to steal.
>
> The only adaption that works without a revolution in
> protection technology is removing money from all but live
> performance and I think you are going to be _very_
> disappointed with what remains. The cacaphony and bandwidth
> of the internet provides no effective means of selection,
> promotion or artist development. You'll get what you can
> see and that's about it.
>
> You totally disregard the value value added by the current
> industry configuration and I think I can safely guess that
> you see none. You will in its absence. It really pisses me
> off that your theieving generation may well steal it from
> those of us who value it. If that is the nature of your
> generation's ethics, god help you.
>
>
> Bob


Being the slimeball and scumbag that he is, is hardly in a credible
position to comment on someone else's ethics.

 

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Bob Cain <arcane@arcanemethods.com> wrote in
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>
> play on wrote:
>
>> And if what "all other businesses do" is a yardstick for ethics, spare
>> me. I can certainly be argued that the music business in general is
>> an ethically-challenged environment when compared to others.
>
> C'mon, Al. _All_ business, top to bottom, big to small
> operates on the principle of paying as little as possible
> for something it will, in turn, sell for as much as it can
> get consistent with people buying it. Always has, always will.
>
> The music business is _no_ different except for the fact
> that high bandwidth personal interconnect is destroying its
> ability to do business by enabling rampant theft. The only
> reason that the publishing business isn't in similar trouble
> is that people who still read tend to have better ethics.
>
>
> Bob


Being the slimeball, scumbag that he is, Bob Cain is hardly in a credible
position to comment on anyone else's ethics.

 

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"reddred" <opaloka@REMOVECAPSyahoo.com> wrote in message...

> ipv6 will go a long way towards killing 'sharing', among other things.


Wow... this was totally new to me. http/www.ipv6.org/

 

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David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
> "reddred" <opaloka@REMOVECAPSyahoo.com> wrote in message...
>
>
>>ipv6 will go a long way towards killing 'sharing', among other things.
>
>
>
> Wow... this was totally new to me. http/www.ipv6.org/

Sorta ironic that the link to the FAQ is broken. And we're
supposed to trust these guys with defining a new IP
protocol?


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"Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote:
>
> Let's test this theory. Stand up and be counted if you've purchased
> music from a small artist about who you became aware as a result of a
> P2P download.
>
> Artist's name and web site, please.



Interesting that this post received no replies (at least none that I
ever saw).

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"Bob Cain" <arcane@arcanemethods.com> wrote:
>
> [...] Do you know anyone in business who willingly pays more
> than they have to for anything?


Sure, me. I often choose a vendor on the basis of more than just price.
For me, quality of service, availability of support, flexibility in
customizing product offerings and delivery guarantees rank as high as
price in making my choice.

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hev wrote:

> It is the culmination of the actions of the industry

You competently demonstrate the lack of personal responsibility that is
presently a disease in America. The situation is actually no deeper than
that, and technology has nothing to do with it. You cannot control
yourself and for that you seek to blame something other than yourself.
The word for that is "pathetic".

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