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"nonone" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> EDTV is 480p. YOu can put in an HDTV signal like 1080i, or 720 p, but all
> you will ever see on the EDTV is 480p.
>
> My Costco Pioneer 4312 when given HDTV 1080i, puts out 768p, and I am
> amazed. I am underwhelmed when watching a DVD movie (probably 480i or p)
> or
> watching a 480i TV signal. And 768p is close, but still is not true high
> def. True high def. is 1080i or 1080p.
>
> Hope that makes a little sense.
> noone
>
>

I hate to break it to you, but 720 X 1280 is "true" high definition.

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> > EDTV is 480p. YOu can put in an HDTV signal like 1080i, or 720 p, but
all
> > you will ever see on the EDTV is 480p.
> >
> > My Costco Pioneer 4312 when given HDTV 1080i, puts out 768p, and I am
> > amazed. I am underwhelmed when watching a DVD movie (probably 480i or
p)
> > or
> > watching a 480i TV signal. And 768p is close, but still is not true
high
> > def. True high def. is 1080i or 1080p.
> >
> > Hope that makes a little sense.
> > noone
> >
> >
>
> I hate to break it to you, but 720 X 1280 is "true" high definition.
>
> Phil
>

You are right. But I can only afford 1024 x 768.
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"Phil Ross" <paross@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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> > EDTV is 480p. YOu can put in an HDTV signal like 1080i, or 720 p, but
all
> > you will ever see on the EDTV is 480p.
> >
> > My Costco Pioneer 4312 when given HDTV 1080i, puts out 768p, and I am
> > amazed. I am underwhelmed when watching a DVD movie (probably 480i or
p)
> > or
> > watching a 480i TV signal. And 768p is close, but still is not true
high
> > def. True high def. is 1080i or 1080p.
> >
> > Hope that makes a little sense.
> > noone
> >
> >
>
> I hate to break it to you, but 720 X 1280 is "true" high definition.
>
> Phil
>
>

Actually, 1920 x 1080 is true high def. And I really really can't afford
that.
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> "Thumper" <jaylsmith@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> > On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 20:29:39 GMT, "Matthew Vaughan"
> > <matt-no-spam-109@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>"Thumper" <jaylsmith@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> >>
> >>> It doesn't display HD.
> >>
> >>> It's not HD
> >>
> >>> For $2800 you can get a damned fine 65" HDTV.
> >>> Thumper
> >>
> >>Most people, if actually viewing it from a normal distance (not standing
> >>with their face 2 feet in front of the TV like in a store), probably
can't
> >>tell the difference, or at least the difference is subtle. For some
other
> >>people, the fact that it doesn't say "HD" on it makes them feel like
less
> >>of
> >>a man. For those that need the validation, go ahead, spend the money.
For
> >>those that want to enjoy their TV, why waste several thousand dollars
for
> >>something that makes very little difference, if the ED set looks great
> >>(which they generally do)? (Whereas, for them, a thin/flat TV DOES make
a
> >>difference compared to a heavy/bulky one. Though the relatively
thin/light
> >>DLP and LCD projectors are starting to erode this argument.)
> >>
> >>
> > They would have to be blind not to see the difference when side by
> > side with an HDTV. I see people every day stop and marvel at the
> > picture on the lone HDTV set up in a room full of EDTVs. I don't care
> > what any body buys but this bullshit that it looks just as good from a
> > normal viewing distance distance is simply not true. Next time you're
> > watching a football game in HD switch the set to it's SD channel and
> > tell me you can't see the difference.
> > Thumper
>
> I bet you can see a difference between a $4.000 HD and a $10,000 HD. Does
> that mean you should buy the $10,000 model too?
>
> Most people don't have the huge bucks to sink into a tv. ED is and can be
> just as good to people considering the cost difference. Also, I've seen
> DVD's that play better on a ED then a HD. Shouldn't that be a
> consideration?
>
>

FDR,
If it is your money, you can get whatever you feel is best. But you could be
shooting yourself in the foot, and I truly think you will be sorry getting
an EDTV when you can get a better HDTV for a bit more money.

However, you might want to go down to a store with a lot of HDTV displays.
Have teh salesman show you one of the best displays like one of the better
1024 x768 or better Panasonics. Have the saleman show you an equivalent of a
DVD movie 480p on the display (EDTV equivalent) and have him show you true
HDTV 1080i or 720p on the same display (like from HD Discovery channel).
Then make your judgement. And think about 5 or 10 years from now, when 480p
and 480i will be obsolete.


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>> "Thumper" <jaylsmith@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> > On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 20:29:39 GMT, "Matthew Vaughan"
>> > <matt-no-spam-109@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>"Thumper" <jaylsmith@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> >>
>> >>> It doesn't display HD.
>> >>
>> >>> It's not HD
>> >>
>> >>> For $2800 you can get a damned fine 65" HDTV.
>> >>> Thumper
>> >>
>> >>Most people, if actually viewing it from a normal distance (not
>> >>standing
>> >>with their face 2 feet in front of the TV like in a store), probably
> can't
>> >>tell the difference, or at least the difference is subtle. For some
> other
>> >>people, the fact that it doesn't say "HD" on it makes them feel like
> less
>> >>of
>> >>a man. For those that need the validation, go ahead, spend the money.
> For
>> >>those that want to enjoy their TV, why waste several thousand dollars
> for
>> >>something that makes very little difference, if the ED set looks great
>> >>(which they generally do)? (Whereas, for them, a thin/flat TV DOES make
> a
>> >>difference compared to a heavy/bulky one. Though the relatively
> thin/light
>> >>DLP and LCD projectors are starting to erode this argument.)
>> >>
>> >>
>> > They would have to be blind not to see the difference when side by
>> > side with an HDTV. I see people every day stop and marvel at the
>> > picture on the lone HDTV set up in a room full of EDTVs. I don't care
>> > what any body buys but this bullshit that it looks just as good from a
>> > normal viewing distance distance is simply not true. Next time you're
>> > watching a football game in HD switch the set to it's SD channel and
>> > tell me you can't see the difference.
>> > Thumper
>>
>> I bet you can see a difference between a $4.000 HD and a $10,000 HD.
>> Does
>> that mean you should buy the $10,000 model too?
>>
>> Most people don't have the huge bucks to sink into a tv. ED is and can
>> be
>> just as good to people considering the cost difference. Also, I've seen
>> DVD's that play better on a ED then a HD. Shouldn't that be a
>> consideration?
>>
>>
>
> FDR,
> If it is your money, you can get whatever you feel is best. But you could
> be
> shooting yourself in the foot, and I truly think you will be sorry getting
> an EDTV when you can get a better HDTV for a bit more money.

I've got it already. Paying 50% more to me was not a bit. Heck, I had
trouble justifying buying a tv as expensive as the one I have now.

>
> However, you might want to go down to a store with a lot of HDTV displays.
> Have teh salesman show you one of the best displays like one of the better
> 1024 x768 or better Panasonics. Have the saleman show you an equivalent of
> a
> DVD movie 480p on the display (EDTV equivalent) and have him show you
> true
> HDTV 1080i or 720p on the same display (like from HD Discovery channel).
> Then make your judgement. And think about 5 or 10 years from now, when
> 480p
> and 480i will be obsolete.

Fisrt off, I have seen HD and ED and to me the difference wasn't significant
enough to spend the extra cash. Secondly, I doubt my tv will be obsolete 5
or 10 years from now. Considering the glut of SD material that will still
be on tv, and that the DVD material right now I would not want to throw away
just so I can respend it on newer HD material for even more money. People
have made tons of investements in DVDs for the past several years. You
think that will just go away?




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"FDR" <_remove_spam_block_rzitka@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Fisrt off, I have seen HD and ED and to me the difference wasn't
significant
> enough to spend the extra cash. Secondly, I doubt my tv will be obsolete
5
> or 10 years from now. Considering the glut of SD material that will still
> be on tv, and that the DVD material right now I would not want to throw
away
> just so I can respend it on newer HD material for even more money. People
> have made tons of investements in DVDs for the past several years. You
> think that will just go away?

No, I don't think it will go away. As for DVDs going away, but I have tons
of VHS tapes and LP albums as well as old equipment to play them on. Things
do get old and obsolete. The major point is if you buy a TV now, it is
better to pay a little extra and get a TV that can handle high definition. I
am glad I paid extra for an HDTV capable TV. You are glad you didn't pay
extra on an HDTV capable TV. My TV is only 1024 x768 pixels. Your TV is
only 853 x480 pixels. True high definitoin is 1920 x1080 pixels. So neither
of our TVs are true high definition. And we both know prices are going to
fall, and the technology is going to improve. I would like to buy a 1920x
1080 TV if I could afford. You probably would too. It probably just boils
down how much each of us is willing to spend. Hope that makes some sense.

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>> Fisrt off, I have seen HD and ED and to me the difference wasn't
> significant
>> enough to spend the extra cash. Secondly, I doubt my tv will be obsolete
> 5
>> or 10 years from now. Considering the glut of SD material that will
>> still
>> be on tv, and that the DVD material right now I would not want to throw
> away
>> just so I can respend it on newer HD material for even more money.
>> People
>> have made tons of investements in DVDs for the past several years. You
>> think that will just go away?
>
> No, I don't think it will go away. As for DVDs going away, but I have
> tons
> of VHS tapes and LP albums as well as old equipment to play them on.
> Things
> do get old and obsolete. The major point is if you buy a TV now, it is
> better to pay a little extra and get a TV that can handle high definition.
> I
> am glad I paid extra for an HDTV capable TV. You are glad you didn't pay
> extra on an HDTV capable TV. My TV is only 1024 x768 pixels. Your TV is
> only 853 x480 pixels. True high definitoin is 1920 x1080 pixels. So
> neither
> of our TVs are true high definition. And we both know prices are going to
> fall, and the technology is going to improve. I would like to buy a 1920x
> 1080 TV if I could afford. You probably would too. It probably just boils
> down how much each of us is willing to spend. Hope that makes some sense.

Yes it does. I've been reading about some exciting new technologies too
that promise much cheaper tv's. They are talking about 800$ 42 inch HDTV's
in a few years. Who knows if that will happen.

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Thumper <jaylsmith@comcast.net> wrote in
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> On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 13:15:50 -0400, "Randy Sweeney"
> <DockScience@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Matthew Vaughan" <matt-no-spam-109@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> Most people, if actually viewing it from a normal distance (not
>>> standing with their face 2 feet in front of the TV like in a store),
>>> probably can't tell the difference, or at least the difference is
>>> subtle.
>>
This troll comes up every 3 or 4 months damming HDTV over EDTV why do you
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> This troll comes up every 3 or 4 months damming HDTV over EDTV why do you
> guys always fall for it>

because some people might believe it
 
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>> >
>> > EDTV is 480p. YOu can put in an HDTV signal like 1080i, or 720 p, but
> all
>> > you will ever see on the EDTV is 480p.
>> >
>> > My Costco Pioneer 4312 when given HDTV 1080i, puts out 768p, and I am
>> > amazed. I am underwhelmed when watching a DVD movie (probably 480i or
> p)
>> > or
>> > watching a 480i TV signal. And 768p is close, but still is not true
> high
>> > def. True high def. is 1080i or 1080p.
>> >
>> > Hope that makes a little sense.
>> > noone
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I hate to break it to you, but 720 X 1280 is "true" high definition.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>
> Actually, 1920 x 1080 is true high def. And I really really can't afford
> that.
> noone
>
>

Actually, BOTH 720 and 1080 are HDTV. 720p is usually considered to be
better for action and sports, whereas 1080i may be better for more "static"
content. But, like I said, 720 and 1080 are both considered HD, so I don't
know what you mean my "true" HD - they both are.
 

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In article <fu17a1183dupqt622duu46l0em8os67go3@4ax.com> Thumper <jaylsmith@comcast.net> writes:
>On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 21:50:18 GMT, Ski <ski@nospamtoday.com> wrote:

>I'll guarantee you that if you go into a Costco for instance you will
>have to walk by the TV section to shop and 99% of those HDtvs are
>showing SD.

Gee, it looks like a HD Satellite feed in Redwood CIty, Foster City, Mountain View, and
Santa Clara. Of the 4 I have visited in the last month, all 4 were HD.

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In article <fu17a1183dupqt622duu46l0em8os67go3@4ax.com> Thumper <jaylsmith@comcast.net> writes:

>I'll guarantee you that if you go into a Costco for instance you will
>have to walk by the TV section to shop and 99% of those HDtvs are
>showing SD. You probably aren't looking for a tv but will certainly
>look and get the impression that the picture on the SD sets are as
>goos as HD.
>Thumper

I the last month I have been in 4 Costco stores. All had HD signals.

What you say used to be true. Doesn't seem so any more.

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On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 05:26:13 +0000 (UTC), nospam@w6yx.stanford.edu
(Alan) wrote:

>In article <fu17a1183dupqt622duu46l0em8os67go3@4ax.com> Thumper <jaylsmith@comcast.net> writes:
>>On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 21:50:18 GMT, Ski <ski@nospamtoday.com> wrote:
>
>>I'll guarantee you that if you go into a Costco for instance you will
>>have to walk by the TV section to shop and 99% of those HDtvs are
>>showing SD.
>
> Gee, it looks like a HD Satellite feed in Redwood CIty, Foster City, Mountain View, and
>Santa Clara. Of the 4 I have visited in the last month, all 4 were HD.
>
> Alan


Every Costco I visit has dvd's feeding most of the tvs. I guess their
theory is that you can compare ntsc sets with edtv etc. Usually only
the most expensive set is showing HD.
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On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 05:28:52 +0000 (UTC), nospam@w6yx.stanford.edu
(Alan) wrote:

>In article <fu17a1183dupqt622duu46l0em8os67go3@4ax.com> Thumper <jaylsmith@comcast.net> writes:
>
>>I'll guarantee you that if you go into a Costco for instance you will
>>have to walk by the TV section to shop and 99% of those HDtvs are
>>showing SD. You probably aren't looking for a tv but will certainly
>>look and get the impression that the picture on the SD sets are as
>>goos as HD.
>>Thumper
>
> I the last month I have been in 4 Costco stores. All had HD signals.
>
> What you say used to be true. Doesn't seem so any more.
>
> Alan
Where YOU live.
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J&D Schnoor wrote:
> Does anyone have any speculation on whether EDTV will be around for very
> long or will the prices on HDTV eventually make EDTVs as scarce as 8-track
> tape [layers.
>
>
You'll never see "HD" sets under 30"...so what are you going to put on
your kitchen counter.
IMHO HD sets under 60" are a waste...you just don't get the visual
bang...so there will always be a place for small screen digital capable
sets....what you mistakenly call ED.
 
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> J&D Schnoor wrote:
>> Does anyone have any speculation on whether EDTV will be around for very
>> long or will the prices on HDTV eventually make EDTVs as scarce as
>> 8-track tape [layers.
> You'll never see "HD" sets under 30"...so what are you going to put on
> your kitchen counter.
> IMHO HD sets under 60" are a waste...you just don't get the visual
> bang...so there will always be a place for small screen digital capable
> sets....what you mistakenly call ED.

FWIW, I had gotten a small HD set for our kitchen, and doing a comparison
between SD and HD, there was no difference. The only reason we are getting
into HD and ED is to get a satisfying view when watching on a large screen.
 
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On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 23:54:50 +0000, Phil Ross wrote:

>
> "nonone" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>> "Phil Ross" <paross@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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>>> "nonone" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Estoe.893169$w62.780615@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>> >
>>> > EDTV is 480p. YOu can put in an HDTV signal like 1080i, or 720 p, but
>> all
>>> > you will ever see on the EDTV is 480p.
>>> >
>>> > My Costco Pioneer 4312 when given HDTV 1080i, puts out 768p, and I am
>>> > amazed. I am underwhelmed when watching a DVD movie (probably 480i or
>> p)
>>> > or
>>> > watching a 480i TV signal. And 768p is close, but still is not true
>> high
>>> > def. True high def. is 1080i or 1080p.
>>> >
>>> > Hope that makes a little sense.
>>> > noone
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> I hate to break it to you, but 720 X 1280 is "true" high definition.
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Actually, 1920 x 1080 is true high def. And I really really can't afford
>> that.
>> noone
>>
>>
>
> Actually, BOTH 720 and 1080 are HDTV. 720p is usually considered to be
> better for action and sports, whereas 1080i may be better for more "static"
> content. But, like I said, 720 and 1080 are both considered HD, so I don't
> know what you mean my "true" HD - they both are.

Well if you accept the ATSC specifications as the standard.
480 is Standard Definition
720 is Enhanced Definition
1080 is High Definition

Its become common practice to call anything higher than Standard
Definition HDTV.

Most Thin screen LCD and Plasma sets sold in the past couple of years are
720 HDTV sets.

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Korbin Dallas wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 23:54:50 +0000, Phil Ross wrote:
>
>
>>"nonone" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>>>"Phil Ross" <paross@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>>"nonone" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>>>EDTV is 480p. YOu can put in an HDTV signal like 1080i, or 720 p, but
>>>
>>>all
>>>
>>>>>you will ever see on the EDTV is 480p.
>>>>>
>>>>>My Costco Pioneer 4312 when given HDTV 1080i, puts out 768p, and I am
>>>>>amazed. I am underwhelmed when watching a DVD movie (probably 480i or
>>>
>>>p)
>>>
>>>>>or
>>>>>watching a 480i TV signal. And 768p is close, but still is not true
>>>
>>>high
>>>
>>>>>def. True high def. is 1080i or 1080p.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hope that makes a little sense.
>>>>>noone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I hate to break it to you, but 720 X 1280 is "true" high definition.
>>>>
>>>>Phil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Actually, 1920 x 1080 is true high def. And I really really can't afford
>>>that.
>>>noone
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Actually, BOTH 720 and 1080 are HDTV. 720p is usually considered to be
>>better for action and sports, whereas 1080i may be better for more "static"
>>content. But, like I said, 720 and 1080 are both considered HD, so I don't
>>know what you mean my "true" HD - they both are.
>
>
> Well if you accept the ATSC specifications as the standard.
> 480 is Standard Definition
> 720 is Enhanced Definition
> 1080 is High Definition

From memory the ATSC standard for HDTV is 720P and 1080i. There is no
ATSC standard called Enhanced Definition and 480i is Standard
Definition. In Australia they consider 576P HDTV.

Enhanced Definition or EDTV is commonly thought to be 480P though not by
any standard that I know of.

>
> Its become common practice to call anything higher than Standard Definition HDTV.

I don't think it is common practice. I think that many don't know the
difference.
>
> Most Thin screen LCD and Plasma sets sold in the past couple of years are 720 HDTV sets.
>

And very many of them were 480P sets, like 60% of 42" Plasma sets in the
4th quarter of 2004 were 480P. And most projectors and rear projectors
were 720P sets. In fact most digital sets sold that were not CRT were
720P or 480P. Most 1080i sets were CRTs. And very few sets of any kind
have been sold that can actually handle the full resolution of HDTV at
1080i and even fewer that can handle "full" HDTV or 1080P.

Reason being that most people can't tell the difference between HDTV and
EDTV on any set 42" or lower. A 42" EDTV plasma will look better with
480i, upconverted 480P DVD and real 480P than a 42" HDTV plasma with the
same sources. A 720P source will look 10 to 15% better on the 42" HD
plasma and a 1080i signal downconverted to the 480P 42" EDTV and 768 42"
HDTV will be closer to a draw except with the better scalers.

You have to go substantially larger than 42" for the benefit of real HD
to kick in IMO.

So a whole lot of people like 60% choose to save the bucks and buy the
ED plasma set at 42" and under.

Bob Miller
 

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On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 04:25:01 GMT, Bob Miller <robmx@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>Korbin Dallas wrote:
>> On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 23:54:50 +0000, Phil Ross wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"nonone" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>news:7wFoe.287583$cg1.76691@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>
>>>>"Phil Ross" <paross@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:0gFoe.24742$J12.3173@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>>>>
>>>>>"nonone" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:Estoe.893169$w62.780615@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>>EDTV is 480p. YOu can put in an HDTV signal like 1080i, or 720 p, but
>>>>
>>>>all
>>>>
>>>>>>you will ever see on the EDTV is 480p.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My Costco Pioneer 4312 when given HDTV 1080i, puts out 768p, and I am
>>>>>>amazed. I am underwhelmed when watching a DVD movie (probably 480i or
>>>>
>>>>p)
>>>>
>>>>>>or
>>>>>>watching a 480i TV signal. And 768p is close, but still is not true
>>>>
>>>>high
>>>>
>>>>>>def. True high def. is 1080i or 1080p.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hope that makes a little sense.
>>>>>>noone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I hate to break it to you, but 720 X 1280 is "true" high definition.
>>>>>
>>>>>Phil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Actually, 1920 x 1080 is true high def. And I really really can't afford
>>>>that.
>>>>noone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Actually, BOTH 720 and 1080 are HDTV. 720p is usually considered to be
>>>better for action and sports, whereas 1080i may be better for more "static"
>>>content. But, like I said, 720 and 1080 are both considered HD, so I don't
>>>know what you mean my "true" HD - they both are.
>>
>>
>> Well if you accept the ATSC specifications as the standard.
>> 480 is Standard Definition
>> 720 is Enhanced Definition
>> 1080 is High Definition
>
> From memory the ATSC standard for HDTV is 720P and 1080i. There is no
>ATSC standard called Enhanced Definition and 480i is Standard
>Definition. In Australia they consider 576P HDTV.
>
>Enhanced Definition or EDTV is commonly thought to be 480P though not by
>any standard that I know of.
>
>>
>> Its become common practice to call anything higher than Standard Definition HDTV.
>
>I don't think it is common practice. I think that many don't know the
>difference.
>>
>> Most Thin screen LCD and Plasma sets sold in the past couple of years are 720 HDTV sets.
>>
>
>And very many of them were 480P sets, like 60% of 42" Plasma sets in the
>4th quarter of 2004 were 480P. And most projectors and rear projectors
>were 720P sets. In fact most digital sets sold that were not CRT were
>720P or 480P. Most 1080i sets were CRTs. And very few sets of any kind
>have been sold that can actually handle the full resolution of HDTV at
>1080i and even fewer that can handle "full" HDTV or 1080P.
>
>Reason being that most people can't tell the difference between HDTV and
>EDTV on any set 42" or lower.

Nonsense. That is simply not true.
Thumper




..A 42" EDTV plasma will look better with
>480i, upconverted 480P DVD and real 480P than a 42" HDTV plasma with the
>same sources. A 720P source will look 10 to 15% better on the 42" HD
>plasma and a 1080i signal downconverted to the 480P 42" EDTV and 768 42"
>HDTV will be closer to a draw except with the better scalers.
>
>You have to go substantially larger than 42" for the benefit of real HD
>to kick in IMO.
>
>So a whole lot of people like 60% choose to save the bucks and buy the
>ED plasma set at 42" and under.
>
>Bob Miller
 
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"Korbin Dallas" <korbindallas@dodgeit.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 23:54:50 +0000, Phil Ross wrote:
>
>>
> Well if you accept the ATSC specifications as the standard.
> 480 is Standard Definition
> 720 is Enhanced Definition
> 1080 is High Definition
>
> Its become common practice to call anything higher than Standard
> Definition HDTV.
>
> Most Thin screen LCD and Plasma sets sold in the past couple of years are
> 720 HDTV sets.
>
> --
> Korbin Dallas
> The name was changed to protect the guilty.
>
Sorry, chief, you are mistaken... You need to go back and check your source

480i is Standard Definition
480p is "Enhanced Definition"
720 is High Definition
1080 is High Definition