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Thumper wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 04:25:01 GMT, Bob Miller <robmx@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Korbin Dallas wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 23:54:50 +0000, Phil Ross wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"nonone" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:7wFoe.287583$cg1.76691@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Phil Ross" <paross@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:0gFoe.24742$J12.3173@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"nonone" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:Estoe.893169$w62.780615@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>EDTV is 480p. YOu can put in an HDTV signal like 1080i, or 720 p, but
>>>>>
>>>>>all
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>you will ever see on the EDTV is 480p.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My Costco Pioneer 4312 when given HDTV 1080i, puts out 768p, and I am
>>>>>>>amazed. I am underwhelmed when watching a DVD movie (probably 480i or
>>>>>
>>>>>p)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>watching a 480i TV signal. And 768p is close, but still is not true
>>>>>
>>>>>high
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>def. True high def. is 1080i or 1080p.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hope that makes a little sense.
>>>>>>>noone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I hate to break it to you, but 720 X 1280 is "true" high definition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Phil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually, 1920 x 1080 is true high def. And I really really can't afford
>>>>>that.
>>>>>noone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Actually, BOTH 720 and 1080 are HDTV. 720p is usually considered to be
>>>>better for action and sports, whereas 1080i may be better for more "static"
>>>>content. But, like I said, 720 and 1080 are both considered HD, so I don't
>>>>know what you mean my "true" HD - they both are.
>>>
>>>
>>>Well if you accept the ATSC specifications as the standard.
>>> 480 is Standard Definition
>>> 720 is Enhanced Definition
>>> 1080 is High Definition
>>
>>From memory the ATSC standard for HDTV is 720P and 1080i. There is no
>>ATSC standard called Enhanced Definition and 480i is Standard
>>Definition. In Australia they consider 576P HDTV.
>>
>>Enhanced Definition or EDTV is commonly thought to be 480P though not by
>>any standard that I know of.
>>
>>
>>>Its become common practice to call anything higher than Standard Definition HDTV.
>>
>>I don't think it is common practice. I think that many don't know the
>>difference.
>>
>>>Most Thin screen LCD and Plasma sets sold in the past couple of years are 720 HDTV sets.
>>>
>>
>>And very many of them were 480P sets, like 60% of 42" Plasma sets in the
>>4th quarter of 2004 were 480P. And most projectors and rear projectors
>>were 720P sets. In fact most digital sets sold that were not CRT were
>>720P or 480P. Most 1080i sets were CRTs. And very few sets of any kind
>>have been sold that can actually handle the full resolution of HDTV at
>>1080i and even fewer that can handle "full" HDTV or 1080P.
>>
>>Reason being that most people can't tell the difference between HDTV and
>>EDTV on any set 42" or lower.
>
>
> Nonsense. That is simply not true.
> Thumper
Not true? Well it is for Star56 on AVSForum who went to some trouble to
"SEE" the difference between ED and HD on a 42" and came to the
conclusion that he "couldn't rationalize getting poorer PQ on the HD
sets at more money."
http
/www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5738931&&#post5738931
"I highly recommend the Panny Pd50 EDTV. Very highly.
I spent lots of time comparing various HD plasma's to the Panny Pd50. My
final comparison involved watching 14 Plasmas.....all lined up in two
rows of 7 each.
The Panny simply looked spectacular with a 1080i feed. To my eyes...it
was the best on the wall.
I had the cash to get a HD 42incher...I was planning to get an HD
42incher...I was NEVER goint to get an ED set.....until I saw the
Panny...I couldn't rationalize getting poorer PQ on the HD sets at more
money.
ALso...I watch the Panny from 7ft and HD material is outstanding.
So as I said it is TRUE for many people. For a lot of the 60% of those
who buy 42" ED plasmas.
Bob Miller
>
>
>
>
> .A 42" EDTV plasma will look better with
>
>>480i, upconverted 480P DVD and real 480P than a 42" HDTV plasma with the
>>same sources. A 720P source will look 10 to 15% better on the 42" HD
>>plasma and a 1080i signal downconverted to the 480P 42" EDTV and 768 42"
>>HDTV will be closer to a draw except with the better scalers.
>>
>>You have to go substantially larger than 42" for the benefit of real HD
>>to kick in IMO.
>>
>>So a whole lot of people like 60% choose to save the bucks and buy the
>>ED plasma set at 42" and under.
>>
>>Bob Miller
>
>
Thumper wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 04:25:01 GMT, Bob Miller <robmx@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Korbin Dallas wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 23:54:50 +0000, Phil Ross wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"nonone" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:7wFoe.287583$cg1.76691@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Phil Ross" <paross@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:0gFoe.24742$J12.3173@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"nonone" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:Estoe.893169$w62.780615@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>EDTV is 480p. YOu can put in an HDTV signal like 1080i, or 720 p, but
>>>>>
>>>>>all
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>you will ever see on the EDTV is 480p.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My Costco Pioneer 4312 when given HDTV 1080i, puts out 768p, and I am
>>>>>>>amazed. I am underwhelmed when watching a DVD movie (probably 480i or
>>>>>
>>>>>p)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>watching a 480i TV signal. And 768p is close, but still is not true
>>>>>
>>>>>high
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>def. True high def. is 1080i or 1080p.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hope that makes a little sense.
>>>>>>>noone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I hate to break it to you, but 720 X 1280 is "true" high definition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Phil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually, 1920 x 1080 is true high def. And I really really can't afford
>>>>>that.
>>>>>noone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Actually, BOTH 720 and 1080 are HDTV. 720p is usually considered to be
>>>>better for action and sports, whereas 1080i may be better for more "static"
>>>>content. But, like I said, 720 and 1080 are both considered HD, so I don't
>>>>know what you mean my "true" HD - they both are.
>>>
>>>
>>>Well if you accept the ATSC specifications as the standard.
>>> 480 is Standard Definition
>>> 720 is Enhanced Definition
>>> 1080 is High Definition
>>
>>From memory the ATSC standard for HDTV is 720P and 1080i. There is no
>>ATSC standard called Enhanced Definition and 480i is Standard
>>Definition. In Australia they consider 576P HDTV.
>>
>>Enhanced Definition or EDTV is commonly thought to be 480P though not by
>>any standard that I know of.
>>
>>
>>>Its become common practice to call anything higher than Standard Definition HDTV.
>>
>>I don't think it is common practice. I think that many don't know the
>>difference.
>>
>>>Most Thin screen LCD and Plasma sets sold in the past couple of years are 720 HDTV sets.
>>>
>>
>>And very many of them were 480P sets, like 60% of 42" Plasma sets in the
>>4th quarter of 2004 were 480P. And most projectors and rear projectors
>>were 720P sets. In fact most digital sets sold that were not CRT were
>>720P or 480P. Most 1080i sets were CRTs. And very few sets of any kind
>>have been sold that can actually handle the full resolution of HDTV at
>>1080i and even fewer that can handle "full" HDTV or 1080P.
>>
>>Reason being that most people can't tell the difference between HDTV and
>>EDTV on any set 42" or lower.
>
>
> Nonsense. That is simply not true.
> Thumper
Not true? Well it is for Star56 on AVSForum who went to some trouble to
"SEE" the difference between ED and HD on a 42" and came to the
conclusion that he "couldn't rationalize getting poorer PQ on the HD
sets at more money."
http
/www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5738931&&#post5738931"I highly recommend the Panny Pd50 EDTV. Very highly.
I spent lots of time comparing various HD plasma's to the Panny Pd50. My
final comparison involved watching 14 Plasmas.....all lined up in two
rows of 7 each.
The Panny simply looked spectacular with a 1080i feed. To my eyes...it
was the best on the wall.
I had the cash to get a HD 42incher...I was planning to get an HD
42incher...I was NEVER goint to get an ED set.....until I saw the
Panny...I couldn't rationalize getting poorer PQ on the HD sets at more
money.
ALso...I watch the Panny from 7ft and HD material is outstanding.
So as I said it is TRUE for many people. For a lot of the 60% of those
who buy 42" ED plasmas.
Bob Miller
>
>
>
>
> .A 42" EDTV plasma will look better with
>
>>480i, upconverted 480P DVD and real 480P than a 42" HDTV plasma with the
>>same sources. A 720P source will look 10 to 15% better on the 42" HD
>>plasma and a 1080i signal downconverted to the 480P 42" EDTV and 768 42"
>>HDTV will be closer to a draw except with the better scalers.
>>
>>You have to go substantially larger than 42" for the benefit of real HD
>>to kick in IMO.
>>
>>So a whole lot of people like 60% choose to save the bucks and buy the
>>ED plasma set at 42" and under.
>>
>>Bob Miller
>
>
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