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Does anyone have any speculation on whether EDTV will be around for very
long or will the prices on HDTV eventually make EDTVs as scarce as 8-track
tape [layers.
 
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"J&D Schnoor" <jimdianes@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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> Does anyone have any speculation on whether EDTV will be around for very
> long or will the prices on HDTV eventually make EDTVs as scarce as 8-track
> tape [layers.

I think 8 track lasted much longer than will SD TV labelled "EDTV"
 
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On Tue, 31 May 2005 23:23:22 -0400, "Randy Sweeney"
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>"J&D Schnoor" <jimdianes@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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>> Does anyone have any speculation on whether EDTV will be around for very
>> long or will the prices on HDTV eventually make EDTVs as scarce as 8-track
>> tape [layers.
>
>I think 8 track lasted much longer than will SD TV labelled "EDTV"
>

It's the best bang for the buck if you mainly watch DVDs.

I've looked at a lot of HDTV sets and I'm not spending my money for
beta technology at rolls royce prices.
 
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mcduck wrote:
> On Tue, 31 May 2005 23:23:22 -0400, "Randy Sweeney"
> <DockScience@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"J&D Schnoor" <jimdianes@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
> >news:yb9ne.2635$8g.1462@news01.roc.ny...
> >> Does anyone have any speculation on whether EDTV will be around for very
> >> long or will the prices on HDTV eventually make EDTVs as scarce as 8-track
> >> tape [layers.
> >
> >I think 8 track lasted much longer than will SD TV labelled "EDTV"
> >
>
> It's the best bang for the buck if you mainly watch DVDs.
>
> I've looked at a lot of HDTV sets and I'm not spending my money for
> beta technology at rolls royce prices.

Beta technolgoy? Rolls Royce Prices? Have you checked the models in
the last 3 years?
 

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On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 07:50:45 -0700, mcduck wrote:

>On Tue, 31 May 2005 23:23:22 -0400, "Randy Sweeney"
><DockScience@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"J&D Schnoor" <jimdianes@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
>>news:yb9ne.2635$8g.1462@news01.roc.ny...
>>> Does anyone have any speculation on whether EDTV will be around for very
>>> long or will the prices on HDTV eventually make EDTVs as scarce as 8-track
>>> tape [layers.
>>
>>I think 8 track lasted much longer than will SD TV labelled "EDTV"
>>
>
>It's the best bang for the buck if you mainly watch DVDs.
>
>I've looked at a lot of HDTV sets and I'm not spending my money for
>beta technology at rolls royce prices.
>
>
I wouldn't spend the money for an EDTV that will not pick up HD and be
obsoleter in a few years.
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Thumper wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 07:50:45 -0700, mcduck wrote:
>
>>It's the best bang for the buck if you mainly watch DVDs.
>>
>>I've looked at a lot of HDTV sets and I'm not spending my money for
>>beta technology at rolls royce prices.
>
> I wouldn't spend the money for an EDTV that will not pick up HD and be
> obsoleter in a few years.
> Thumper

Huh? An EDTV works with HDTV signals. Assuming we are talking about an
ED plasma as those are the most common mainstream ED TVs on the market,
it displays the HD signal - 1080i or 720p - at the native resolution of
the ED display at 852x480p. So long as you sit 6 to 8 feet from the
screen to avoid the screen door effect, it presents a fine picture for
HD, SD (480i), and DVD (480i) sources. May not be true HD, but the
native 480 resolution means no upscaling for SD and DVD sources, which
is why some people prefer them. And the difference for a 42" screen at
10 feet between ED and HD is not all that obvious.

The main reason for getting an 42" ED plasma was that their prices
were much lower than the 42" HD plasmas. That has changed as the list
price for the 42" Panasonic consumer model has dropped to $2500, but the
42" HD consumer has dropped from $6500 at the beginning of 2004 to $3500
for the new model. And the commercial Panasonic plasma can be had for
around $2800 with stand plus shipping from reputable on-line dealers.
Still, don't knock the better brand ED plasmas until you have really
looked at one.

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> Thumper wrote:
>> On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 07:50:45 -0700, mcduck wrote:
>>
>>>It's the best bang for the buck if you mainly watch DVDs.
>>>I've looked at a lot of HDTV sets and I'm not spending my money for
>>>beta technology at rolls royce prices.
>>
>> I wouldn't spend the money for an EDTV that will not pick up HD and be
>> obsoleter in a few years.
>> Thumper
>
> Huh? An EDTV works with HDTV signals. Assuming we are talking about an ED
> plasma as those are the most common mainstream ED TVs on the market, it
> displays the HD signal - 1080i or 720p - at the native resolution of the
> ED display at 852x480p. So long as you sit 6 to 8 feet from the screen to
> avoid the screen door effect, it presents a fine picture for HD, SD
> (480i), and DVD (480i) sources. May not be true HD, but the native 480
> resolution means no upscaling for SD and DVD sources, which is why some
> people prefer them. And the difference for a 42" screen at 10 feet between
> ED and HD is not all that obvious.
>
> The main reason for getting an 42" ED plasma was that their prices were
> much lower than the 42" HD plasmas. That has changed as the list price for
> the 42" Panasonic consumer model has dropped to $2500, but the 42" HD
> consumer has dropped from $6500 at the beginning of 2004 to $3500 for the
> new model. And the commercial Panasonic plasma can be had for around $2800
> with stand plus shipping from reputable on-line dealers. Still, don't
> knock the better brand ED plasmas until you have really looked at one.
>
> Alan F

I'm certainly happy with mine. Was hard to justify spending $2700 for a ED
tv a while back, let alone over $4000 for a HD model.
 

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On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:36:40 -0400, Alan Figgatt
<afiggatt@comcast.net> wrote:

>Thumper wrote:
>> On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 07:50:45 -0700, mcduck wrote:
>>
>>>It's the best bang for the buck if you mainly watch DVDs.
>>>
>>>I've looked at a lot of HDTV sets and I'm not spending my money for
>>>beta technology at rolls royce prices.
>>
>> I wouldn't spend the money for an EDTV that will not pick up HD and be
>> obsoleter in a few years.
>> Thumper
>
> Huh? An EDTV works with HDTV signals. Assuming we are talking about an
>ED plasma as those are the most common mainstream ED TVs on the market,
>it displays the HD signal - 1080i or 720p - at the native resolution of
>the ED display at 852x480p.

It doesn't display HD.





>So long as you sit 6 to 8 feet from the
>screen to avoid the screen door effect, it presents a fine picture for
>HD, SD (480i), and DVD (480i) sources. May not be true HD, but the
>native 480 resolution means no upscaling for SD and DVD sources, which
>is why some people prefer them. And the difference for a 42" screen at
>10 feet between ED and HD is not all that obvious.
>


It's not HD
> The main reason for getting an 42" ED plasma was that their prices
>were much lower than the 42" HD plasmas. That has changed as the list
>price for the 42" Panasonic consumer model has dropped to $2500, but the
>42" HD consumer has dropped from $6500 at the beginning of 2004 to $3500
>for the new model. And the commercial Panasonic plasma can be had for
>around $2800 with stand plus shipping from reputable on-line dealers.
>Still, don't knock the better brand ED plasmas until you have really
>looked at one.
>
> Alan F
For $2800 you can get a damned fine 65" HDTV.
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On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 23:26:24 GMT, "FDR"
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>"Alan Figgatt" <afiggatt@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> Thumper wrote:
>>> On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 07:50:45 -0700, mcduck wrote:
>>>
>>>>It's the best bang for the buck if you mainly watch DVDs.
>>>>I've looked at a lot of HDTV sets and I'm not spending my money for
>>>>beta technology at rolls royce prices.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't spend the money for an EDTV that will not pick up HD and be
>>> obsoleter in a few years.
>>> Thumper
>>
>> Huh? An EDTV works with HDTV signals. Assuming we are talking about an ED
>> plasma as those are the most common mainstream ED TVs on the market, it
>> displays the HD signal - 1080i or 720p - at the native resolution of the
>> ED display at 852x480p. So long as you sit 6 to 8 feet from the screen to
>> avoid the screen door effect, it presents a fine picture for HD, SD
>> (480i), and DVD (480i) sources. May not be true HD, but the native 480
>> resolution means no upscaling for SD and DVD sources, which is why some
>> people prefer them. And the difference for a 42" screen at 10 feet between
>> ED and HD is not all that obvious.
>>
>> The main reason for getting an 42" ED plasma was that their prices were
>> much lower than the 42" HD plasmas. That has changed as the list price for
>> the 42" Panasonic consumer model has dropped to $2500, but the 42" HD
>> consumer has dropped from $6500 at the beginning of 2004 to $3500 for the
>> new model. And the commercial Panasonic plasma can be had for around $2800
>> with stand plus shipping from reputable on-line dealers. Still, don't
>> knock the better brand ED plasmas until you have really looked at one.
>>
>> Alan F
>
>I'm certainly happy with mine. Was hard to justify spending $2700 for a ED
>tv a while back, let alone over $4000 for a HD model.
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"Thumper" <jaylsmith@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:36:40 -0400, Alan Figgatt
> <afiggatt@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Thumper wrote:
>>> On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 07:50:45 -0700, mcduck wrote:
>>>
>>>>It's the best bang for the buck if you mainly watch DVDs.
>>>>
>>>>I've looked at a lot of HDTV sets and I'm not spending my money for
>>>>beta technology at rolls royce prices.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't spend the money for an EDTV that will not pick up HD and be
>>> obsoleter in a few years.
>>> Thumper
>>
>> Huh? An EDTV works with HDTV signals. Assuming we are talking about an
>>ED plasma as those are the most common mainstream ED TVs on the market,
>>it displays the HD signal - 1080i or 720p - at the native resolution of
>>the ED display at 852x480p.
>
> It doesn't display HD.
>

You said "pick up", not display. Big difference.

>
>
>
>
>>So long as you sit 6 to 8 feet from the
>>screen to avoid the screen door effect, it presents a fine picture for
>>HD, SD (480i), and DVD (480i) sources. May not be true HD, but the
>>native 480 resolution means no upscaling for SD and DVD sources, which
>>is why some people prefer them. And the difference for a 42" screen at
>>10 feet between ED and HD is not all that obvious.
>>
>
>
> It's not HD
>> The main reason for getting an 42" ED plasma was that their prices
>>were much lower than the 42" HD plasmas. That has changed as the list
>>price for the 42" Panasonic consumer model has dropped to $2500, but the
>>42" HD consumer has dropped from $6500 at the beginning of 2004 to $3500
>>for the new model. And the commercial Panasonic plasma can be had for
>>around $2800 with stand plus shipping from reputable on-line dealers.
>>Still, don't knock the better brand ED plasmas until you have really
>>looked at one.
>>
>> Alan F
> For $2800 you can get a damned fine 65" HDTV.

On what planet?


> Thumper
 

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On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 12:58:42 GMT, "FDR"
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>"Thumper" <jaylsmith@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:36:40 -0400, Alan Figgatt
>> <afiggatt@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Thumper wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 07:50:45 -0700, mcduck wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>It's the best bang for the buck if you mainly watch DVDs.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've looked at a lot of HDTV sets and I'm not spending my money for
>>>>>beta technology at rolls royce prices.
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't spend the money for an EDTV that will not pick up HD and be
>>>> obsoleter in a few years.
>>>> Thumper
>>>
>>> Huh? An EDTV works with HDTV signals. Assuming we are talking about an
>>>ED plasma as those are the most common mainstream ED TVs on the market,
>>>it displays the HD signal - 1080i or 720p - at the native resolution of
>>>the ED display at 852x480p.
>>
>> It doesn't display HD.
>>
>
>You said "pick up", not display. Big difference.
>

Your tin hat will "pick up" HDTV also. You know what I meant.
Thumper
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>So long as you sit 6 to 8 feet from the
>>>screen to avoid the screen door effect, it presents a fine picture for
>>>HD, SD (480i), and DVD (480i) sources. May not be true HD, but the
>>>native 480 resolution means no upscaling for SD and DVD sources, which
>>>is why some people prefer them. And the difference for a 42" screen at
>>>10 feet between ED and HD is not all that obvious.
>>>
>>
>>
>> It's not HD
>>> The main reason for getting an 42" ED plasma was that their prices
>>>were much lower than the 42" HD plasmas. That has changed as the list
>>>price for the 42" Panasonic consumer model has dropped to $2500, but the
>>>42" HD consumer has dropped from $6500 at the beginning of 2004 to $3500
>>>for the new model. And the commercial Panasonic plasma can be had for
>>>around $2800 with stand plus shipping from reputable on-line dealers.
>>>Still, don't knock the better brand ED plasmas until you have really
>>>looked at one.
>>>
>>> Alan F
>> For $2800 you can get a damned fine 65" HDTV.
>
>On what planet?
>
>
>> Thumper
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"Thumper" <jaylsmith@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> It doesn't display HD.

> It's not HD

> For $2800 you can get a damned fine 65" HDTV.
> Thumper

Most people, if actually viewing it from a normal distance (not standing
with their face 2 feet in front of the TV like in a store), probably can't
tell the difference, or at least the difference is subtle. For some other
people, the fact that it doesn't say "HD" on it makes them feel like less of
a man. For those that need the validation, go ahead, spend the money. For
those that want to enjoy their TV, why waste several thousand dollars for
something that makes very little difference, if the ED set looks great
(which they generally do)? (Whereas, for them, a thin/flat TV DOES make a
difference compared to a heavy/bulky one. Though the relatively thin/light
DLP and LCD projectors are starting to erode this argument.)
 

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On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 20:29:39 GMT, "Matthew Vaughan"
<matt-no-spam-109@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote:

>"Thumper" <jaylsmith@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
>> It doesn't display HD.
>
>> It's not HD
>
>> For $2800 you can get a damned fine 65" HDTV.
>> Thumper
>
>Most people, if actually viewing it from a normal distance (not standing
>with their face 2 feet in front of the TV like in a store), probably can't
>tell the difference, or at least the difference is subtle. For some other
>people, the fact that it doesn't say "HD" on it makes them feel like less of
>a man. For those that need the validation, go ahead, spend the money. For
>those that want to enjoy their TV, why waste several thousand dollars for
>something that makes very little difference, if the ED set looks great
>(which they generally do)? (Whereas, for them, a thin/flat TV DOES make a
>difference compared to a heavy/bulky one. Though the relatively thin/light
>DLP and LCD projectors are starting to erode this argument.)
>
>
They would have to be blind not to see the difference when side by
side with an HDTV. I see people every day stop and marvel at the
picture on the lone HDTV set up in a room full of EDTVs. I don't care
what any body buys but this bullshit that it looks just as good from a
normal viewing distance distance is simply not true. Next time you're
watching a football game in HD switch the set to it's SD channel and
tell me you can't see the difference.
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"Thumper" <jaylsmith@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 20:29:39 GMT, "Matthew Vaughan"
> <matt-no-spam-109@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >"Thumper" <jaylsmith@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> >
> >> It doesn't display HD.
> >
> >> It's not HD
> >
> >> For $2800 you can get a damned fine 65" HDTV.
> >> Thumper
> >
> >Most people, if actually viewing it from a normal distance (not standing
> >with their face 2 feet in front of the TV like in a store), probably
can't
> >tell the difference, or at least the difference is subtle. For some other
> >people, the fact that it doesn't say "HD" on it makes them feel like less
of
> >a man. For those that need the validation, go ahead, spend the money. For
> >those that want to enjoy their TV, why waste several thousand dollars for
> >something that makes very little difference, if the ED set looks great
> >(which they generally do)? (Whereas, for them, a thin/flat TV DOES make a
> >difference compared to a heavy/bulky one. Though the relatively
thin/light
> >DLP and LCD projectors are starting to erode this argument.)
> >
> >
> They would have to be blind not to see the difference when side by
> side with an HDTV. I see people every day stop and marvel at the
> picture on the lone HDTV set up in a room full of EDTVs. I don't care
> what any body buys but this bullshit that it looks just as good from a
> normal viewing distance distance is simply not true. Next time you're
> watching a football game in HD switch the set to it's SD channel and
> tell me you can't see the difference.
> Thumper

Amen, Thumper!

I am brand new to the HDTV world. Hubby wanted a "big" tv, so I researched
it and got the best tv we could afford that hopefully wouldn't be obsolete
for a while.

Here is what I observed with our new "big" TV (Costco Pioneer 4312).
Picture is spectacular with Directv HD Discovery channel. I feel like I am
looking at a high resolution color photograph that is the size of the 43" TV
screen. Amazing is just not enough to describe the quality of the picture. I
have bad eyes (down to the big E on the eye chart in one eye), and I can
only describe high definition tv as watching tv with glasses where
everything is crystal clear. Normal tv is like watching tv without glasses,
blurry and no detail.

EDTV is 480p. YOu can put in an HDTV signal like 1080i, or 720 p, but all
you will ever see on the EDTV is 480p.

My Costco Pioneer 4312 when given HDTV 1080i, puts out 768p, and I am
amazed. I am underwhelmed when watching a DVD movie (probably 480i or p) or
watching a 480i TV signal. And 768p is close, but still is not true high
def. True high def. is 1080i or 1080p.

Hope that makes a little sense.
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> On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 20:29:39 GMT, "Matthew Vaughan"
> <matt-no-spam-109@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"Thumper" <jaylsmith@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>
>>> It doesn't display HD.
>>
>>> It's not HD
>>
>>> For $2800 you can get a damned fine 65" HDTV.
>>> Thumper
>>
>>Most people, if actually viewing it from a normal distance (not standing
>>with their face 2 feet in front of the TV like in a store), probably can't
>>tell the difference, or at least the difference is subtle. For some other
>>people, the fact that it doesn't say "HD" on it makes them feel like less
>>of
>>a man. For those that need the validation, go ahead, spend the money. For
>>those that want to enjoy their TV, why waste several thousand dollars for
>>something that makes very little difference, if the ED set looks great
>>(which they generally do)? (Whereas, for them, a thin/flat TV DOES make a
>>difference compared to a heavy/bulky one. Though the relatively thin/light
>>DLP and LCD projectors are starting to erode this argument.)
>>
>>
> They would have to be blind not to see the difference when side by
> side with an HDTV. I see people every day stop and marvel at the
> picture on the lone HDTV set up in a room full of EDTVs. I don't care
> what any body buys but this bullshit that it looks just as good from a
> normal viewing distance distance is simply not true. Next time you're
> watching a football game in HD switch the set to it's SD channel and
> tell me you can't see the difference.
> Thumper

I bet you can see a difference between a $4.000 HD and a $10,000 HD. Does
that mean you should buy the $10,000 model too?

Most people don't have the huge bucks to sink into a tv. ED is and can be
just as good to people considering the cost difference. Also, I've seen
DVD's that play better on a ED then a HD. Shouldn't that be a
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On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 04:33:33 GMT, "FDR"
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>"Thumper" <jaylsmith@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 20:29:39 GMT, "Matthew Vaughan"
>> <matt-no-spam-109@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Thumper" <jaylsmith@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>> It doesn't display HD.
>>>
>>>> It's not HD
>>>
>>>> For $2800 you can get a damned fine 65" HDTV.
>>>> Thumper
>>>
>>>Most people, if actually viewing it from a normal distance (not standing
>>>with their face 2 feet in front of the TV like in a store), probably can't
>>>tell the difference, or at least the difference is subtle. For some other
>>>people, the fact that it doesn't say "HD" on it makes them feel like less
>>>of
>>>a man. For those that need the validation, go ahead, spend the money. For
>>>those that want to enjoy their TV, why waste several thousand dollars for
>>>something that makes very little difference, if the ED set looks great
>>>(which they generally do)? (Whereas, for them, a thin/flat TV DOES make a
>>>difference compared to a heavy/bulky one. Though the relatively thin/light
>>>DLP and LCD projectors are starting to erode this argument.)
>>>
>>>
>> They would have to be blind not to see the difference when side by
>> side with an HDTV. I see people every day stop and marvel at the
>> picture on the lone HDTV set up in a room full of EDTVs. I don't care
>> what any body buys but this bullshit that it looks just as good from a
>> normal viewing distance distance is simply not true. Next time you're
>> watching a football game in HD switch the set to it's SD channel and
>> tell me you can't see the difference.
>> Thumper
>
>I bet you can see a difference between a $4.000 HD and a $10,000 HD. Does
>that mean you should buy the $10,000 model too?
>
I'll bet you can't.

I've already said that I don't care what you buy but claiming that you
can't see the difference between EDTV and HDTV is wrong

>Most people don't have the huge bucks to sink into a tv. ED is and can be
>just as good to people considering the cost difference. Also, I've seen
>DVD's that play better on a ED then a HD.
Nonsense


Shouldn't that be a
>consideration?
>
Consider anything you like but don't make false claims.
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> On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 04:33:33 GMT, "FDR"
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>>
>>"Thumper" <jaylsmith@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:8o74a1pghrqe5h7fp6tepccroo251u69ti@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 20:29:39 GMT, "Matthew Vaughan"
>>> <matt-no-spam-109@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Thumper" <jaylsmith@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:3093a1p78vifc3taot1fb18beppt10t0f0@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't display HD.
>>>>
>>>>> It's not HD
>>>>
>>>>> For $2800 you can get a damned fine 65" HDTV.
>>>>> Thumper
>>>>
>>>>Most people, if actually viewing it from a normal distance (not standing
>>>>with their face 2 feet in front of the TV like in a store), probably
>>>>can't
>>>>tell the difference, or at least the difference is subtle. For some
>>>>other
>>>>people, the fact that it doesn't say "HD" on it makes them feel like
>>>>less
>>>>of
>>>>a man. For those that need the validation, go ahead, spend the money.
>>>>For
>>>>those that want to enjoy their TV, why waste several thousand dollars
>>>>for
>>>>something that makes very little difference, if the ED set looks great
>>>>(which they generally do)? (Whereas, for them, a thin/flat TV DOES make
>>>>a
>>>>difference compared to a heavy/bulky one. Though the relatively
>>>>thin/light
>>>>DLP and LCD projectors are starting to erode this argument.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> They would have to be blind not to see the difference when side by
>>> side with an HDTV. I see people every day stop and marvel at the
>>> picture on the lone HDTV set up in a room full of EDTVs. I don't care
>>> what any body buys but this bullshit that it looks just as good from a
>>> normal viewing distance distance is simply not true. Next time you're
>>> watching a football game in HD switch the set to it's SD channel and
>>> tell me you can't see the difference.
>>> Thumper
>>
>>I bet you can see a difference between a $4.000 HD and a $10,000 HD. Does
>>that mean you should buy the $10,000 model too?
>>
> I'll bet you can't.

Go try it. There's a reason why they cost more.

>
> I've already said that I don't care what you buy but claiming that you
> can't see the difference between EDTV and HDTV is wrong
>
>>Most people don't have the huge bucks to sink into a tv. ED is and can be
>>just as good to people considering the cost difference. Also, I've seen
>>DVD's that play better on a ED then a HD.
> Nonsense

Well, I've seen it side by side.

>
>
> Shouldn't that be a
>>consideration?
>>
> Consider anything you like but don't make false claims.

How is it a false claim?

> Thumper
 

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On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 11:01:53 GMT, "FDR"
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>
>"Thumper" <jaylsmith@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 04:33:33 GMT, "FDR"
>> <_remove_spam_block_rzitka@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Thumper" <jaylsmith@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>news:8o74a1pghrqe5h7fp6tepccroo251u69ti@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 20:29:39 GMT, "Matthew Vaughan"
>>>> <matt-no-spam-109@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Thumper" <jaylsmith@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:3093a1p78vifc3taot1fb18beppt10t0f0@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>> It doesn't display HD.
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not HD
>>>>>
>>>>>> For $2800 you can get a damned fine 65" HDTV.
>>>>>> Thumper
>>>>>
>>>>>Most people, if actually viewing it from a normal distance (not standing
>>>>>with their face 2 feet in front of the TV like in a store), probably
>>>>>can't
>>>>>tell the difference, or at least the difference is subtle. For some
>>>>>other
>>>>>people, the fact that it doesn't say "HD" on it makes them feel like
>>>>>less
>>>>>of
>>>>>a man. For those that need the validation, go ahead, spend the money.
>>>>>For
>>>>>those that want to enjoy their TV, why waste several thousand dollars
>>>>>for
>>>>>something that makes very little difference, if the ED set looks great
>>>>>(which they generally do)? (Whereas, for them, a thin/flat TV DOES make
>>>>>a
>>>>>difference compared to a heavy/bulky one. Though the relatively
>>>>>thin/light
>>>>>DLP and LCD projectors are starting to erode this argument.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> They would have to be blind not to see the difference when side by
>>>> side with an HDTV. I see people every day stop and marvel at the
>>>> picture on the lone HDTV set up in a room full of EDTVs. I don't care
>>>> what any body buys but this bullshit that it looks just as good from a
>>>> normal viewing distance distance is simply not true. Next time you're
>>>> watching a football game in HD switch the set to it's SD channel and
>>>> tell me you can't see the difference.
>>>> Thumper
>>>
>>>I bet you can see a difference between a $4.000 HD and a $10,000 HD. Does
>>>that mean you should buy the $10,000 model too?
>>>
>> I'll bet you can't.
>
>Go try it. There's a reason why they cost more.
>
I've seen Hitachis and Sony's side by side with Pioneer elites that
look better than the pioneer. There is no where near the difference
between a $4000 set and a $10,000 set as there is between EDTV and
HDTV. Use whatever justification you need to buy an EDTV but if you
try to tell us that you can't see the difference DRAMATICALLY between
HDTV and EDTV, you simply have your eyes closed.
A great disservice is done when HDTVs are displayed with an SD signal
on it as 90% of all displays I've seen are. THAT's why pwoplw think
that HDTV may not be worth it. They THINK they are seeing an HDTV
signal when it's in reality SD.
Thumper

>>
>> I've already said that I don't care what you buy but claiming that you
>> can't see the difference between EDTV and HDTV is wrong
>>
>>>Most people don't have the huge bucks to sink into a tv. ED is and can be
>>>just as good to people considering the cost difference. Also, I've seen
>>>DVD's that play better on a ED then a HD.
>> Nonsense
>
>Well, I've seen it side by side.
>
>>
>>
>> Shouldn't that be a
>>>consideration?
>>>
>> Consider anything you like but don't make false claims.
>
>How is it a false claim?
>
>> Thumper
>
 
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"Matthew Vaughan" <matt-no-spam-109@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in
> Most people, if actually viewing it from a normal distance (not standing
> with their face 2 feet in front of the TV like in a store), probably can't
> tell the difference, or at least the difference is subtle.

I disagree completely

While most people can not tell the difference between 720P and 1080i, the
low 480P resolution of SD is very noticeable - it's the difference between
HD and a DVD.
 

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On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 13:15:50 -0400, "Randy Sweeney"
<DockScience@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"Matthew Vaughan" <matt-no-spam-109@NOSPAM.hotmail.com> wrote in
>> Most people, if actually viewing it from a normal distance (not standing
>> with their face 2 feet in front of the TV like in a store), probably can't
>> tell the difference, or at least the difference is subtle.
>
>I disagree completely
>
>While most people can not tell the difference between 720P and 1080i, the
>low 480P resolution of SD is very noticeable - it's the difference between
>HD and a DVD.
>
Exactly. The reason this myth continues is because millions of people
walk by tv sets in stores like Costco, Sams, Bj's, and Sears everyday
where the HDTV sets are playing a DVD at SD. They think "Hd isn't all
that when ion reality they haven't seen HD.
Thumper