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On 5/16/05 7:27 PM, in article yMGdnS5v7M7VsRTfRVnyhg@pipex.net, "Mark"
<marks@nospamhere.com> wrote:
> SSJVCmag wrote:
>> What means "put a rock band through"?
>
> Drums, bass, 1 or 2 guitars, vocals, sometimes keyboard.
You want it ALL in the PA??
>
>> VOCALS probably (what amps are the guitars and other instruments playing?)
>
> Marshall valvestate type amps, 100 watts, but I try and keep them fairly
> quiet on stage IF I put the whole lot through the PA.
>
>> KICK probably
>> That's about all I'd try.
>
> Really? I'm kinda surprised. I've put an entire band through a pair of
> JBL SF15's before and a couple of Carlsbro 2*12's (it didn't sound
> great, a bit beloved patriot, but the SF15's aren't great anyway), and they seemed
> plenty loud enough to re-inforce the drums, and infact the whole band.
> Definately no distortion. Mind you this was for about 40 people, but
> the reinforcement to the drums really helped them cut.
>
> What exactly would be causing the problem here? Surely the subs would
> be fine for the kick and bass? Do you not think the S200's could cope
> with a snare drum or electric guitars? I've had just a single S200
> nearly deafen me once... Is it just a lack of amp power or speaker
> power? Rememeber we are only talking ~100 people at most indoors here.
> What tops might be better? SX200's? SX300's? T251+'s? How many? Etc..
>
> Any advice is much appreciated.
It's all about how LOUD you intend to be.
I managed a VERY hi-dollar 'wedding band' (if you want to think of a wedding
band made up of musicians who are available because thry're momentarily
off-tour with Bennet, Benson and such) that was reliably hitting painfull
levels on the near-in dance floor for maybe 100 people there with a pair of
midline JBL 12/horn units on sticks above 100, a couple of RAMSA baby subs
below and jusditious slow-atk comression on the sticks putting vox, keys,
kik (and sometimes drums OH) and a little help for the EG (usually a deluxe
on stage) through them, no BG- letting the bass player hold his own with a
well-driven 4-10 box on the floor and the system JUST balanced out right...
Very tight. The overall blend was clean and vocal-predominant and rememeber
the material here...
With a rock-focus and backline of 100w guitar amps and commensurate bass,
then adding full drums reenforce, if the guitars were actually NEEDED in the
PA you;d have to be getting be so loud that the system would be choking and
vocal clarity would be questionable... I'd think.
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