ESPNHD Picture Qaulity

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In a rare occurrence (at least for me) there were two high definition
college football games being broadcast at the same time Florida at Tennessee
on CBS and Notre Dame at Michigan State on ESPNHD. Switching back and forth
between the two, it appeared the 1080I game being broadcast on CBS had
better picture quality than the 720P game being broadcast on ESPNHD. I was
watching both games on my *FRONT* projection Zenith Pro 895X CRT using a
Pioneer Voyager BD-V3510HD cable TV terminal. The Pro 895X can natively
display both 1080I and 720P signals, and the Voyager BD-V3510HD can pass
multiple resolutions through to the display device so I don't believe it was
an artifact of my equipment; especially since the ESPNHD picture was not as
good of quality as Sports Center which aired immediately prior to the game
or the ABC MNF game this past week. I have only just recently got ESPNHD
and this was my first opportunity to watch a college football game on it so
I am curious as to what other people's experiences have been with ESPNHD's
picture quality when it has been broadcasting live remote programming HD.

--Brian K. White

 

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I had just the opposite impression.

The resolution of the CBS and ESPNHD image was comparable in my opinion.
However the CBS broadcast suffered from severe motion artifacts. The
picture broke up when any fast action was involved. I noticed very few
artifacts in the ESPNHD picture. My ESPNHD feed was from Dish Network. My
CBS feed was over the air from my local affiliate(which uses part of the HD
channel to simulcast their SD feed).

In either case they were both far superior to the SD broadcast. (As I
would expect).


"Brian K. White" <nospam@foxfire74.com> wrote in message
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> In a rare occurrence (at least for me) there were two high definition
> college football games being broadcast at the same time Florida at
> Tennessee
> on CBS and Notre Dame at Michigan State on ESPNHD. Switching back and
> forth
> between the two, it appeared the 1080I game being broadcast on CBS had
> better picture quality than the 720P game being broadcast on ESPNHD. I
> was
> watching both games on my *FRONT* projection Zenith Pro 895X CRT using a
> Pioneer Voyager BD-V3510HD cable TV terminal. The Pro 895X can natively
> display both 1080I and 720P signals, and the Voyager BD-V3510HD can pass
> multiple resolutions through to the display device so I don't believe it
> was
> an artifact of my equipment; especially since the ESPNHD picture was not
> as
> good of quality as Sports Center which aired immediately prior to the game
> or the ABC MNF game this past week. I have only just recently got ESPNHD
> and this was my first opportunity to watch a college football game on it
> so
> I am curious as to what other people's experiences have been with ESPNHD's
> picture quality when it has been broadcasting live remote programming HD.
>
> --Brian K. White
>
>

 

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Thanks for the feedback. I just watched the NFL Sunday night football game
on ESPN HD and the picture was MUCH better than during Saturday night's NCAA
football game game. So I am wondering does ESPN use "better" equipment for
NFL games than for college games? I didn't get motion artifacts with either
broadcast. I'm not certain how the local CBS affiliate and TWC are
connected but I never get any motion artifacts. I agree that the picture
quality is much better than SD I am just wondering why the wide variation in
quality from one program to the next.

--Brian K. White

"D J" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> I had just the opposite impression.
>
> The resolution of the CBS and ESPNHD image was comparable in my opinion.
> However the CBS broadcast suffered from severe motion artifacts. The
> picture broke up when any fast action was involved. I noticed very few
> artifacts in the ESPNHD picture. My ESPNHD feed was from Dish Network.
My
> CBS feed was over the air from my local affiliate(which uses part of the
HD
> channel to simulcast their SD feed).
>
> In either case they were both far superior to the SD broadcast. (As I
> would expect).
>
>
> "Brian K. White" <nospam@foxfire74.com> wrote in message
> news:Oim3d.26$lp6.19@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> > In a rare occurrence (at least for me) there were two high definition
> > college football games being broadcast at the same time Florida at
> > Tennessee
> > on CBS and Notre Dame at Michigan State on ESPNHD. Switching back and
> > forth
> > between the two, it appeared the 1080I game being broadcast on CBS had
> > better picture quality than the 720P game being broadcast on ESPNHD. I
> > was
> > watching both games on my *FRONT* projection Zenith Pro 895X CRT using a
> > Pioneer Voyager BD-V3510HD cable TV terminal. The Pro 895X can natively
> > display both 1080I and 720P signals, and the Voyager BD-V3510HD can pass
> > multiple resolutions through to the display device so I don't believe it
> > was
> > an artifact of my equipment; especially since the ESPNHD picture was not
> > as
> > good of quality as Sports Center which aired immediately prior to the
game
> > or the ABC MNF game this past week. I have only just recently got
ESPNHD
> > and this was my first opportunity to watch a college football game on it
> > so
> > I am curious as to what other people's experiences have been with
ESPNHD's
> > picture quality when it has been broadcasting live remote programming
HD.
> >
> > --Brian K. White
> >
> >
>
>

 

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In article <evydnfnCudNyr9PcRVn-uw@scnresearch.com>,
"D J" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

> I had just the opposite impression.
>
> The resolution of the CBS and ESPNHD image was comparable in my opinion.
> However the CBS broadcast suffered from severe motion artifacts. The
> picture broke up when any fast action was involved. I noticed very few
> artifacts in the ESPNHD picture. My ESPNHD feed was from Dish Network. My
> CBS feed was over the air from my local affiliate(which uses part of the HD
> channel to simulcast their SD feed).

Once a station devotes part of their OTA bandwidth to a second
subchannel, all bets are off as far as making any kind of reasonable
comparison. My local OTA CBS uses full bandwidth and there certainly
aren't "severe" motion artifacts.

 

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Brian K. White (nospam@foxfire74.com) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
> Switching back and forth
> between the two, it appeared the 1080I game being broadcast on CBS had
> better picture quality than the 720P game being broadcast on ESPNHD.
> especially since the ESPNHD picture was not as
> good of quality as Sports Center which aired immediately prior to the game
> or the ABC MNF game this past week.

ESPN, ABC, and CBS try for different "looks" with football.

CBS goes for the "depth of field, everything in focus, HD camera look", but
mars the quality with a bit of edge enhancement. Except for the EE, this
also describes the look of ESPN SportsCenter.

ESPN HD football has a reduced depth of field that is more of a "film"
look, with no edge enhancement at all.

ABC HD football has more depth of field than ESPN but less than CBS. I'd
have get another look to check on EE use by ABC.

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"Brian K. White" <nospam@foxfire74.com> wrote in message news:<det3d.69536$787.13999@fe2.columbus.rr.com>...
> Thanks for the feedback. I just watched the NFL Sunday night football game
> on ESPN HD and the picture was MUCH better than during Saturday night's NCAA
> football game game. So I am wondering does ESPN use "better" equipment for
> NFL games than for college games? I didn't get motion artifacts with either
> broadcast. I'm not certain how the local CBS affiliate and TWC are
> connected but I never get any motion artifacts. I agree that the picture
> quality is much better than SD I am just wondering why the wide variation in
> quality from one program to the next.

I think a LOT of it has to do with the weather and if it's a day or
night game. Night games IMO look better. I must like the color of
the artificial metal haliding lighting (probably a little more blue)
than the full spectrum of the Sun (which would look a little more
yellow).

 

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There is another bunch of games this weekend I will look for these depth of
field/EE differences as I am watching. I must say I prefer the look of
games on CBS with ABC second and ESPN HD third. Your answer also begs the
question as to why ESPN HD and ABC use different "looks" since they are
owned by the same corporation and seem to share quite a bit of technology.

"Jeff Rife" <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote in message
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> Brian K. White (nospam@foxfire74.com) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
> > Switching back and
forth
> > between the two, it appeared the 1080I game being broadcast on CBS had
> > better picture quality than the 720P game being broadcast on ESPNHD.
> > especially since the ESPNHD picture was not
as
> > good of quality as Sports Center which aired immediately prior to the
game
> > or the ABC MNF game this past week.
>
> ESPN, ABC, and CBS try for different "looks" with football.
>
> CBS goes for the "depth of field, everything in focus, HD camera look",
but
> mars the quality with a bit of edge enhancement. Except for the EE, this
> also describes the look of ESPN SportsCenter.
>
> ESPN HD football has a reduced depth of field that is more of a "film"
> look, with no edge enhancement at all.
>
> ABC HD football has more depth of field than ESPN but less than CBS. I'd
> have get another look to check on EE use by ABC.
>
> --
> Jeff Rife | "You may find this strange, but I think body
> SPAM bait: | piercing is a good thing. It gives us a
> AskDOJ@usdoj.gov | quick way to tell that people ain't right,
> spam@ftc.gov | just by lookin' at 'em."
> | -- Hank Hill, "King of the Hill"

 

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Brian K. White (nospam@foxfire74.com) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
> Your answer also begs the
> question as to why ESPN HD and ABC use different "looks" since they are
> owned by the same corporation and seem to share quite a bit of technology.

In reality, they share very little. ESPN has its own broadcast center that
everything feeds through, and ABC uses their own. ESPN has their own set
of HD vans now, and only rarely do they seem to be shared with ABC. ESPN
also has full HD studio capabilities (2 now: SportsCenter and their "NFL"
studio), and ABC has zero.

The "look" of ABC sports has always been different from ESPN, even when the
sport is the same (college football, baseball a *long* time ago, NFL,
basketball, etc.).

The only thing they really share is the choice of 720/60p as their broadcast
format.

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Before this year, when we started watching ESPN & ABC games in HD, we had
often remarked on the difference in quality between the ESPN football game
camera work and resulting picture and that of their parent, ABC, with ESPN
being far superior. Add to that the fact that ABC seems to skew their games
toward the casual fan while ESPN takes fans a bit more seriously. ESPN's
work has historically been and still is far superior to ABC's.

mack
austin


"Jeff Rife" <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote in message
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> Brian K. White (nospam@foxfire74.com) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
> > Your answer also begs
the
> > question as to why ESPN HD and ABC use different "looks" since they are
> > owned by the same corporation and seem to share quite a bit of
technology.
>
> In reality, they share very little. ESPN has its own broadcast center
that
> everything feeds through, and ABC uses their own. ESPN has their own set
> of HD vans now, and only rarely do they seem to be shared with ABC. ESPN
> also has full HD studio capabilities (2 now: SportsCenter and their "NFL"
> studio), and ABC has zero.
>
> The "look" of ABC sports has always been different from ESPN, even when
the
> sport is the same (college football, baseball a *long* time ago, NFL,
> basketball, etc.).
>
> The only thing they really share is the choice of 720/60p as their
broadcast
> format.
>
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