FBI Wants ISPs to Keep Record of Sites You Visit

[sandypants]

Why not take a different approach, just ask the ISPs for records of those who have visited specific sites that are bad, that would save on costs and stop people from feeling like ass

 

[JD13]

Big bother wants to watch you....
It's too hard to do real police work these days.
Just change the laws so you don't have to do squat!

 

[adipose]

[citation][nom]chomlee[/nom]if every person in the US visited 100 ip addresses each day it would be about 300,000,000 people X 365 days/yr X 100 ip addresses/person * 15 Bytes/address=164 terrabytes/yearSee, thats not so bad[/citation]

15 bytes per address? Hell, the address for this forum alone:

http/www.tomsguide.com/us/FBI-ISPs-Record-Sites-Visited,news-5755.html

is 73. Now try recording some of those google address which are 500 chars or more. Anyway, 15 bytes maybe if you compressed it...

 

[Guest]

You should be more grateful that it wasn't your planes hijacked, nor your buildings flown into...

 

[maestintaolius]

To all those that think "well I have nothing to hide, so it's ok." Just remember, we just recently had the story break that the FBI was recently caught generating fake emergencies to justify getting access to information that they shouldn't have been able to.

 

[bison88]

Every net censorship always holds to title "Child Pornography" so we go along with it because its despicable. You Director Mueller should be fired for using a heinous crime to further your Agencies agenda of clamping down on the freedom of information. It wont solve anything either and he would know that if he was half-computer literate.

How about we wiretap all Politicians, Government Agents, Federal Employees, Military enlistees incl. Officers and record there actions and make them open to the public for 2 years? Oh you don't like that because you have "Classification Levels" that protect your asses. Get a clue feds you are starting to become the most hated entity of this nation through this tyrannical mindset and behavior and yet we are labeled the gun crazies, christian fanatics and Nazi Racists when we resist your law breaking and Unconstitutional behavior.

 

[amdchuck]

It's about time. Maybe if people had a more reasonable fear of being caught they wouldn't feel as though it was some sort of god given right to view illegal porn or download pirate warez.

How many people would speed around town disregarding speed limits and stop signs etc. if there were no police to enforce the traffic laws? Just about everyone, that's who. Same goes with the internet, people feel as though they can do whatever they want because there is no enforcement.

I don't think the framers of the Constitution had kiddie porn and pirate copies of Paul Blart, Mall Cop in mind as they sat and debated.

 

[sceen311]

Common give me a reason to learn 2 hack... do it.

 

[meradz]

I can see Internet Proxy services located outside of US jurisdiction getting a lot of business the way things are going.

 

[necronic]

Man, I guess there are only a few of us on here who would actually like to some some policing of the internet. There are some REALLY bad things that the internet, by nature, supports. And I would REALLY like to see them stopped. This goes from cp to open-circuit webcam/security cam hacking to identity thieves to support of terrorist agencies.

Also, stop with all the analogies to the real world when describing whats going on here. The internet is a wholly different beast, so those analogies aren't real. People here seem so interested in acknowledging that when talking about piracy, but in privacy? No, that's totally different...

Its not like this kind of data snooping isn't already done. Your grocery store tracks all of your purchases through their "discount card" to improve their logistics. Every website out there records massive amounts of user data for the exact same purpose. Anyone who has run a website could tell you that the amount of data you get from visitors is STAGGERING.

The only difference is that this is "the man" and everyone immediately assumes he is out to get you, or that any increase in security is a slippery slope to a "prison planet". Of course, whenever someone does get nailed by an id thief their attitude imediately changes and they want to know why no one has done anything to stop this...

And remember, this is NON-CONTENT data. No emails, passwords, etc.. But when the FBI does find a CP or IDTheft ring, they would have the ability to really nail the sons of sodom that are using it.

 

[fracture]

[citation][nom]amdchuck[/nom]How many people would speed around town disregarding speed limits and stop signs etc. if there were no police to enforce the traffic laws? Just about everyone, that's who.[/citation]

People will enforce themselves if there's no police to do it. Just like in third world countries. You do something bad, you get beat up for it.

How about if I follow you everywhere you go. Not into your house or the buildings you go into. But watch where you go on the streets and such. And then everytime you don't fully stop at a stop sign, I'll give you a ticket. Everytime you don't signal, ticket. Everytime you litter, ticket. Something wrong with your car, ticket. You saw something happened and didn't help, ticket.

This Government is making us turn against each other. Spy on your neighbors, brothers, sisters, loved ones if they are suspicious. Pretty soon people are gonna get turned in because they were chewing gum. Oh shoot, he's trying to be McGuyver. He's gonna make a bomb out of the gum he's chewing. Better arrest him.

Back in the old days people would go out and talk to their neighbors, their kids played together, neighborhood block parties. But now with the televsions and computers, people keep to themselves. Hey, get off my lawn! See how they're turning us against each other. Love thy neighbor

 

[twu]

Privacy and freedom, ah... what happened? slowly painlessly taking them away. A new kind of communist in a different way.

 

[megamanx00]

Big Brother is watching........

 

[chomlee]

RIKHOLLIS: By no means am I saying the government should have every freedom to look into every persons events at will and prosecute them for simple crimes in order to fill their agenda. You do realize that they have the right to come in to your home anytime they want "AS LONG AS THEY HAVE A COURT ORDER" and if you read my post, I felt that if that was required, I wouldn't have a problem with looking up your records.

I am actually surprized they dont already have that.

I heard that after 9/11 happened, the cell phone companies temnporarily shut services down nationwide so the FBI could install sniffer programs into lines to detect any possible terrorist conversations. And I was ok with that.

I think there are alot of worse things going on in our government than invasion of privacy.

 

[meradz]

[citation][nom]necronic[/nom]And remember, this is NON-CONTENT data. No emails, passwords, etc..[/citation]
I have a problem with this. What exactly about the addressing and destination are they wanting to record? Signing into a secure site will encode the user credentials into the url to pass to the server. It wouldn't take much with the resources that the goverment has available to decode this information.

 

[necronic]

Also, I didn't see anywhere that this data would be completely openly available. Maybe an actual real life analogy would be that this is no different from the police getting access to someone's phone records which would require a warrant/subpoena (don't know my terms too well).

Do yall think that the police being able to access your phone records is a massive invasion of privacy? This is basically the exact same thing.

 

[Guest]

usa going down for the count. land of the free, home of the brave...my arse. sheeeeeeple, pathetic.

 

[wayneepalmer]

I think we all ought to visit another site together - Washington DC.

Seeing that they are all so effing interested in how we are exercising our First Amendment rights, we should have us a little rally around the Capitol and the White House while exercising our Second Amendment rights.

Maybe then they'd start to pay more attention what we are saying to them and a lot less time worrying about what we are saying to each other.

 

[tkgclimb]

Here comes big government and there goes freedom,

This is not what the USA is about, screw my security, I want to do what i want when I want as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's right to do the same.

 

[aethm]

I agree with others that this is completely unacceptable. It sounds innocent enough (and most likely is) but once you give an inch they eventually take a mile. Not to mention that I think this will not be effective in the least at catching "child porn" perpetrators. Anyone with any sense doing illegal activities would use a SSH Tunnel or overseas proxy. It's not that hard to surf anonymously. Not to mention that data storage of personal information should not happen. I've had identity theft protection for free for the past 7 years because EVERY year I get at least 1 notification that someone stole sensitive information from my bank, government agency, or employer. Now hackers can steal 2 years worth of data directly from ISP's. Sounds like a bad idea to me.