FBI Wants ISPs to Keep Record of Sites You Visit

[climber]

Isn't this big brother, "the state watches your every move" what the US was fighting against during the entire Cold War with the Soviet Union?

Canada passed a law with the last year which makes all Canadian ISP's have to hand over records to the government of people's browsing.

Being able to track down serious criminals, terrorists, drug smugglers etc. is a good thing, however, if you want to socially engineer your country's population doing what the FBI proposes is a great way for the ultra conservative bible thumpers to make regular free thinking folks to scared to get together as a large group to oppose their conservative fundamentalist propaganda B.S.

 

[Guest]

Those who have power, will abuse of it. It doesn't matter if you're talking about democracy or communism, all systems fail to uphold their principals at some point.

 

[mrmotion]

I miss the days when the black sections of the FBI and CIA just did shit and didnt tell anybody so all you whiny liberals wouldnt get your panties in a bunch.

 

[christop]

Privacy invasion.... Big brother is always watching...

 

[aleccj1]

This is beyond ridiculous... What an invasion of privacy! F you, FBI! Well, I always have my proxy sites...

 

[Darkk]

I remember last year or two the FEDS wanted us to keep a record of all the websites we visted for 2 years where most of us have simple routers. Now it seems they are shifting this onto the ISPs. I remember a few years ago ISPs fought this as it would put too much burden on them to maintain that much data retention for two years! If the FEDS have their way which I hope they don't ISPs will have no choice but to raise their rates to cover this.

A better solution is hunt down bad websites and take em down. Even websites outside of USA it still can be done through international coorporation.

Why go after the users when they can take down the guy who is making it available in the first place? Take him down and the distribution stops. Same thing for drug dealers.

 

[bison88]

***NSA Echelon System Test***


Osama, Blow up Towers, 9/11, Terrorist, Bush, Obama Assassination plot, Iran, Invasion Iraq Oil, Afghanistan Israeli-Oil Pipeline, Conspiracy Theorist, Ron Paul.

This page is now linked to NSA Database, my phone is probably tapped because I send stuff like this to my sister for the laugh. Probably going to back fire on me one of this days.

 

[nebun]

what's going on with these security agencies, do they really think that terrorists are going to use the WWW to set up attacks on other countries? talk about stupid and moronic people...i really feel ashamed to call myself an AMERICAN anymore

 

[Khimera2000]

Im not supporting this idea at all, but if the FBI wants to do it this way then they should pay for all the servers and storage for the ISP's there is no reason for ISP providers to pay for invasion of privacy, hell at least it will be there asses on the line when it hits the fan.

same goes for everything else. they pay for the bugs on phone lines, and phone calls, so they can pay for the bug on the world wide web for every state every county every provider. it will be fun FBI waist a but load of cash and congress gets to run them through the coals for wasting tax payers money to snoop in on people watching porn in the office.

There are better ways then making tax payers angry and driving up my ISP cost i'm sure.

 

[pocketdrummer]

Oooooh, FUCK that!

 

[pochacco007]

this is f'ed up! where's my right to privacy?!

 

[Kelavarus]

+1 to the person who just pretty much said "Proxies".

'Nuff said.

 

[fjjb]

Does that mean sucking goverment's money (our money!!!!) and spend it on adittional servers?

 

[Guest]

Why don't they just assign every computer in the US a field agent to manually watch our every move online and off. Daily doses of truth serum followed by the daily interrogation as to your loyalty. Making us burn people in effigy so we hate the right people and at the first glimmer of independent thought they close in and you disappear for the greater good.

Terrorism
Drugs
Child pron
Freedom
Democracy

These are just buzzwords, designed to trigger fear in the populace, designed to make you do what a calm rational person would never do.
The war on terror is vigilance, not allowing that fear to turn us into what we once fought against, some weird amalgamation of fascism. Terror acts will always, always be around, it is impossible to stop anyone willing to trade their life for the life of the target, no many how many innocent people you strip search, no matter what scanner you paid ungodly sums of money for that still do not work.

Drugs, what a joke. Lets control the dangerous substances by not regulating them, lets do nothing to minimize the threat caused by using them. What do we do, we let the criminals control the entire industry, selling deadly drugs to your children, getting them hooked. Then what do we do we arrest the victims of the entire system and increase the burden on society. We spend 40 Billion a year in this endeavor and nothing has ever gotten better, the drug war has lasted all my life and we are no closer to a winner than when we started. Why. The 40 billion a year, of course, has to go to someone and they want to keep collecting no matter what damage they do.

Child pron is a big problem but no where as big as it is blown up to be. I have never run across any, in all my years of net use I haven't seen any. But there are these kids who got a phone, and now they are sex offenders. Huh sounds like a way to criminalize an entire generation, and that is exactly what we do. Its Pavlovian, press a button get a reaction, say a buzzword and we'll let you do anything you like. For the kids, we cut education, we left them all behind with a bill named no child left behind. Health care, not gonna happen not even for the kids, see giving kids health care cannot be twisted into a usurpation of rights, like child porn easily can. We care so much for the kids we refuse to live with our actions and split the family, when staying together would be better for the kids. Dual parent families are far better for the kids than single parent families and still divorce is rising. Our actions keep screaming we do not care for the kids, once they're born that is.

Fighting to spread freedom and democracy. Sounds good on paper but staying in the middle east for the next 20 years, well we've been had again! Democracy in the United Sates is broken and we care so much about the democratic process we are willing to destroy it at home to bring it to the third world, where they need food, medicine, not freaking democracy, if they wanted a democratic society they would have made one, if they needed a new government they could have asked us for help. We heard no call, the area was stable, Halliburton needed some government contracts, we were attacked by a different country. You do the math.

Excuses, buzzwords, Bullshit, BULLSHIT!
The war on drugs has not made my life safer, I have been robbed by crackheads on numerous occasions. The war on Drugs has endangered my family in our own home. Bullshit

The war on terror has not made my life any safer, I am molested whenever I go to an airport, an entire race is growing up to hate all Americans, and this time they have a real reason. Oh all my Rights have been stripped away, I feel safer already.

The war on Child Porn, has not helped anyone. Quite the contrary, now we will all be tracked online all the time, on a whim. All that data being fed into huge databases, not of criminals, but of the citizenry. What bills you pay online, what you chatted about with Aunt Marge, the Time you were mad and vented online, just got you on the terrorist watch list. Child Pron my ass!

I shall end with a quote:
"Those willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will loose both." Benjamin Franklin

He was talking to US.

 

[OvrClkr]

This is the same as putting a cam in a girls bathroom at school, it's illegal =)

 

[scryer_360]

It is always saving the children. I knew it would eventually come to this: finding ways to invade privacy to "save the children." Its the universal "you must do this" button. No one will object to something that can be painted as used against "child pornography."

Truth is anyone who gets away with that shit knows how to use proxies. ISPs won't be able to do more than track what proxy was used, wherever that proxy points to, it won't know.

 

[plattyaj]

I guess we'll all just end up paying for VPNs like in China ... what a waste!

 

[wild9]

Notice the blanket statement..

..other serious crimes.

Hmm..Mr.X. We see you're applying for this job, and we also see that you searched for these things on Your computer.

. Anti-Government/global cartel freedom of speech
. Conspiracies
. Pro-gun groups
. Pro-life groups

..our super GPGPU system over there in the West tracked your movements and, on the basis of your interests, we'd like to lock you up for what is now deemed, domestic terrorism. Basically, we don't want too many people becoming aware of their rights, and thinking for themselves. No, you're far safer in the hands of people who answer to nobody but themselves, along with their corporate chums pulling the strings.

Aren't you glad you voted us in so that we can change laws, declare enemies both domestic and foreign, and basically sell this country off to any Tom, Dick or Harry. All is well.

 

[wild9]

Footnote: I detest child abusers and terrorists. I also have an equal contempt for those attempting to subjugate the masses by virtue of their ability to manipulate the media. America, you need to get some balls, in my opinion.

 

[Brooks G]

(Head of FBI): "Mr. President, we uhh... have some shocking news"
(Obama): "Well, go on, out with it"
(Head of FBI): "Well.. after we were able to keep track of all the sites people visit, we found the site that over 99% of the population look at the most sir"
(Obama): "Well, what is it!"
(Head of FBI):Youporn.com sir"
(Obama): OH...MY..GOD..that's what I go to too..."
(Head of FBI): "Come again sir?"
(Obama): "That's what she said.."