Hi-Def DirecTivo: $400 Toshiba vs. $900 Hughes?

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Vik Rubenfeld wrote:
> I was checking prices today for a hi-def DirecTivo, and I saw this $400
> one from Toshiba

It is not a DirecTiVo.

> Are there drawbacks to the Toshiba? Thanks in advance to all for any
> info.

Recording capability:
HR10-250 = up to 30 hours HDTV, up to 200 hours standard def.
Toshiba = 0 hours. DirecTV and ATSC receiver; no hard disk.

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"Vik Rubenfeld" <vikr@mindspring.com.invalid> wrote in message
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>I was checking prices today for a hi-def DirecTivo, and I saw this $400
> one from Toshiba at:
>
> http://store.yahoo.com/hometheaterplus/toshiba-dst3100.html
>
> But most of them seem to be around $900, like this one from Hughes:
>
> http://www.wholesaleconnection.com/productDetails.aspx?product=3341&refer
> =1
>
> Are there drawbacks to the Toshiba? Thanks in advance to all for any
> info.

Well, excuse me if I am missing something in the description, but that
Toshiba isn't a TiVo. In fact, it doesn't appear to be any kind of DVR.
 

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On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 23:55:45 GMT, Vik Rubenfeld
<vikr@mindspring.com.invalid> wrote:

>I was checking prices today for a hi-def DirecTivo, and I saw this $400
>one from Toshiba at:
>
>http://store.yahoo.com/hometheaterplus/toshiba-dst3100.html
>
>But most of them seem to be around $900, like this one from Hughes:
>
>http://www.wholesaleconnection.com/productDetails.aspx?product=3341&refer
>=1
>
>Are there drawbacks to the Toshiba? Thanks in advance to all for any
>info.
>
>
>-Vik

Get your cable co's dvr. It's HD + Free.

Sean
 
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The biggest drawback is that the Toshiba has a 0 hour record time - it is
not a DVR.

Cable DVR's are not "free", the cable service will cost you at about $30 or
$40 a month more for the same service.
"Sean" <none> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 23:55:45 GMT, Vik Rubenfeld
> <vikr@mindspring.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>I was checking prices today for a hi-def DirecTivo, and I saw this $400
>>one from Toshiba at:
>>
>>http://store.yahoo.com/hometheaterplus/toshiba-dst3100.html
>>
>>But most of them seem to be around $900, like this one from Hughes:
>>
>>http://www.wholesaleconnection.com/productDetails.aspx?product=3341&refer
>>=1
>>
>>Are there drawbacks to the Toshiba? Thanks in advance to all for any
>>info.
>>
>>
>>-Vik
>
> Get your cable co's dvr. It's HD + Free.
>
> Sean
>
 

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On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:25:40 -0700, "Fred Bloggs" <SPAM@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>The biggest drawback is that the Toshiba has a 0 hour record time - it is
>not a DVR.
>
>Cable DVR's are not "free", the cable service will cost you at about $30 or
>$40 a month more for the same service.
>"Sean" <none> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 23:55:45 GMT, Vik Rubenfeld
>> <vikr@mindspring.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>I was checking prices today for a hi-def DirecTivo, and I saw this $400
>>>one from Toshiba at:
>>>
>>>http://store.yahoo.com/hometheaterplus/toshiba-dst3100.html
>>>
>>>But most of them seem to be around $900, like this one from Hughes:
>>>
>>>http://www.wholesaleconnection.com/productDetails.aspx?product=3341&refer
>>>=1
>>>
>>>Are there drawbacks to the Toshiba? Thanks in advance to all for any
>>>info.
>>>
>>>
>>>-Vik
>>
>> Get your cable co's dvr. It's HD + Free.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>


The biggest drawback of this NG is top posting twits like you.

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* Sean Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:

> The biggest drawback of this NG is top posting twits like you.

And non snipping twits like you. Well thats only ONE of your many flaws
but this is usenet and I dont have time to write a book this month.

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On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:16:43 GMT, SINNER
<arcade.master@googlemail.net> wrote:

>* Sean Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>
>> The biggest drawback of this NG is top posting twits like you.
>

Thanks for agreeing with me David.

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Sean <none> wrote:
>
> The biggest drawback of this NG is top posting twits like you.
>
> Sean

Of all the problems in the world, 'Top posting' gets your
panties in a wad?! Get a life. Go outside and breath in some
fresh air why don't you?

~~Phil~~

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When "bottom posting twits" quote more than one screenfull
I usually skip to the next post without paging down to read
the new remarks. Sean is in a rules list to be ignored,
so I don't see his posts unless someone quotes one.

"PHIL" <Invalid_Email@dot.com> wrote in message news:20050406090656.661$pX@newsreader.com...
> Sean <none> wrote:
> >
> > The biggest drawback of this NG is top posting twits like you.
> >
> > Sean
>
> Of all the problems in the world, 'Top posting' gets your
> panties in a wad?! Get a life. Go outside and breath in some
> fresh air why don't you?
>
> ~~Phil~~
>
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"Sean" <none> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:16:43 GMT, SINNER
> <arcade.master@googlemail.net> wrote:
>
>>* Sean Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>>
>>> The biggest drawback of this NG is top posting twits like you.
>>
>
> Thanks for agreeing with me David.
>
> Sean

If one uses Outlook Express as a newsreader--which is usually the case--the
cursor appears at the top, ready for top posting. They could just as easily
have placed it at the bottom. Therefore, I'm going to make the perhaps
unwarranted assumption that OE prefers, or at least expects, top posting.

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Jack Ak wrote:
> So one expects strangers in newsgroups to posit correct posting
style?

There is a well understood acceptable posting style for USENET. You
just appear not to know what it is.

Go to goole and search for 'correct USENET posting style' and you'll
see that strangers and non-strangers alike agree that top-posting is
not correct posting style.

> You can post addenda where you like and the rest of us will do the
same.

We can't easily prevent you - is that what you're going for? Not a
very friendly attitude.

> If you like it "doggie style" that doesn't imply the rest of us
should.

It doesn't matter if you like it or not, to be part of a community, you
should at least attempt to fit into that community and a good start
with that fitting in would be to learn the practices and customs
expected of a member. Top-posting isn't one of them (there are others
though so you should do some research on this before posting again).

If you don't like the practices and customs of a given community,
you're welcome to not participate but don't blame us when you violate
these understood rules and people mention it to you.
 

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* Jack Ak Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:

> So one expects strangers in newsgroups to posit correct posting
> style?

Yes, part of belonging to the usenet community requires lurking and
learning the culture of the news group BEFORE posting.

> You can post addenda where you like and the rest of us will
> do the same.
>
> If you like it "doggie style" that doesn't imply the rest of us
> should.

Its not a matter if Like. I dont LIKE to Drive 55 but I do. Granted,
posting style is not a law but there are accepted/expected conventions,
not following them has its own consequences.

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On 7 Apr 2005 13:18:24 -0700, in2sheep@yahoo.com wrote:

>
>Jack Ak wrote:
>> So one expects strangers in newsgroups to posit correct posting
>style?
>
>There is a well understood acceptable posting style for USENET. You
>just appear not to know what it is.
>
>Go to goole and search for 'correct USENET posting style' and you'll
>see that strangers and non-strangers alike agree that top-posting is
>not correct posting style.
>
>> You can post addenda where you like and the rest of us will do the
>same.
>
>We can't easily prevent you - is that what you're going for? Not a
>very friendly attitude.
>
>> If you like it "doggie style" that doesn't imply the rest of us
>should.
>
>It doesn't matter if you like it or not, to be part of a community, you
>should at least attempt to fit into that community and a good start
>with that fitting in would be to learn the practices and customs
>expected of a member. Top-posting isn't one of them (there are others
>though so you should do some research on this before posting again).
>
>If you don't like the practices and customs of a given community,
>you're welcome to not participate but don't blame us when you violate
>these understood rules and people mention it to you.

Me too.

Sean
 

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Couldn't have said it better. The people who get uptight about this minor
issue are really silly (I'm trying to keep it clean).

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"PHIL" <Invalid_Email@dot.com> wrote in message
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> Sean <none> wrote:
>>
>> The biggest drawback of this NG is top posting twits like you.
>>
>> Sean
>
> Of all the problems in the world, 'Top posting' gets your
> panties in a wad?! Get a life. Go outside and breath in some
> fresh air why don't you?
>
> ~~Phil~~
>
> --
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>>>There are no conventional penalties for flouting the conventions
>>>because they *aren't* laws.
>>
>
> So that means they should be ignored? Like not swimming after you eat
> or not standing under a tree in a lightning storm?

Heh, that one was mine, but you took it out of context. I was trying to
point that just because something *isn't* a law doesn't mean it doesn't
have value or shouldn't be followed. If everyone benefits, it just
makes good sense, just like my examples from above, i.e. talking during
a movie or walking on the right side of a crowded hallway. I was
basically refuting his "Usenet cops" tantrum.

I think we're on the same page ;-).

Randy S.
 

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"Randy S." <rswittNO@SPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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> >>>There are no conventional penalties for flouting the conventions
> >>>because they *aren't* laws.
> >>
> >
> > So that means they should be ignored? Like not swimming after you eat
> > or not standing under a tree in a lightning storm?
>
> Heh, that one was mine, but you took it out of context. I was trying to
> point that just because something *isn't* a law doesn't mean it doesn't
> have value or shouldn't be followed. If everyone benefits, it just
> makes good sense, just like my examples from above, i.e. talking during
> a movie or walking on the right side of a crowded hallway. I was
> basically refuting his "Usenet cops" tantrum.

LOL. He took a lot of stuff out of context.


>
> I think we're on the same page ;-).
>
> Randy S.
 
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> My last thoughts on this subject:
>
> 1. Usenet is not the real world. Analogies with the real world are not
> valid.

Bullshit. The whole point of analogies is to compare two disparate
things to point out they're similarities. The point is that they *are*
disparate. Social skills apply in both Usenet and the real world, and
people still use social conventions to get along. We have conventions
that LOL stands for something as does AFAIK. Are you going to now come
out and say they stand for different things?

> 2. Many people top post because in many cases it is the logical way to post.

Look, there are times that top posting isn't a big deal. A line of text
at the top of a short post is probably fine. Of course a bottom post in
that situation would be fine as well. If the whole post fits on one
screen it's not too hard to figure out the flow. It's when you have
multiple screens and long threads that bottom posting becomes much more
convenient. There are times that interleaving (like this here) is
better. But most of the time bottom posting just works better for everyone.

> 3. Many people will post how they want and a few will bitch about it. Others
> will either read the posts or not.

Many people top post because they're new to Usenet and e-mail seems to
default to top posting and that's what they're used to. But e-mail is
different and top posting works better there (since generally you've
read all the quoted text previously). But try reading someone *elses*
long email message with multiple levels of top-posted quoted text, it's
a real pain! Most new usenet users listen to the advice, understand the
logic behind it, appreciate it, and play nicely with others.

> 4. Usenet is full of anal-retentive people who once read something and
> forever take it to be true when in reality everything changes. The language
> changes, the internet changes, cars change, morals change, everything
> changes. Deal with it.

Yes, things change. Usually to changes in the environment. But the
Usenet environment hasn't really changed that much (there's been a few,
like cancels basically being ignored now). Can you point out a listing
of these "changed" rules? Because we can fairly easily point out sites
with a listing of Usenet etiquette. Like here:
http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/

Note the first link. I swear to god this was the first google hit for
Usenet Etiquette.

> 5. If usenet cops feel enabled to call people out when they don't approve of
> the posting style, then they should expect the same treatment from people
> that are less regimented.

Huh? Nobody's calling anybody out, we're pointing out how make your
posts more readable for everyone (see link above).

> 6. You say what you want about Godwin's law, but the fact remains you usenet
> cops would have made fine Nazis.

Now you're just being lazy and stupid. If you're going to attempt to
flame, at least be more creative. It also makes no sense. The Nazi's
aren't known as evil because they enforced rules that people didn't
like, they're known that way because they tortured and killed people.
As someone with relatives who survived (and some who didn't) Auschwitz,
I find your casual use of the term "Nazi" more than a little offensive.
I know what a Nazi is (having heard 1st hand accounts), and we're no
Nazis.

> 7. It must be really tough going though life like you people do. You can't
> control the physical world so you try like hell to control the usenet world.

Look, if you want to throw a tantrum, go ahead. But you could try to
make some sense? I like people I have to deal with to at least attempt
to act polite. It's not that big of a request. It has nothing to do
with "control".

> 8. I would bet that most of you usenet cops were only children. I would
> further bet that if I looked in your kitchen cabinets all the glasses would
> be lined up in a perfect grid.

Heh, I'm lucky if I get them out of the sink at night. And yes, at one
point 20 years and more ago I was a child, though I don't know if I'd
characterize it as "only". But I think your assertion is backwards.
Most people who appreciate consideration of others and politeness are
*older* not younger.

Honestly? This whole posting discussion isn't that big a deal to me, I
typically just ignore posts that are constructed poorly. But you made
this into an academic exercise. You have yet to explain why people
*shouldn't* bottom post whilst we have explained or linked to places
that explain why it's significantly better not to top-post (amongst
other things).

Randy S.
 

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* Randy S. wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>>>>There are no conventional penalties for flouting the conventions
>>>>because they *aren't* laws.


>> So that means they should be ignored? Like not swimming after you eat
>> or not standing under a tree in a lightning storm?

> Heh, that one was mine, but you took it out of context.

Oops :)

> I was trying to
> point that just because something *isn't* a law doesn't mean it doesn't
> have value or shouldn't be followed. If everyone benefits, it just
> makes good sense, just like my examples from above, i.e. talking during
> a movie or walking on the right side of a crowded hallway. I was
> basically refuting his "Usenet cops" tantrum.

> I think we're on the same page ;-).

I'd agree :)

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