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In article <43212070.5413E0FA@hotmail.com>,
Pooh Bear <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:

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>
> If your Gov't rebuilds below sea level then I hope some school-kid is going
> to come along and point out the idiocy in that !
>
> Graahm
>

Probably not one educated in the US.

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In article <1126259198.548465.221560@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"WillStG" <willstg@aol.com> wrote:

> All you do is show people just how little you have to offer in
> leadership and basic human decency, and no one is interested in having
> callous, unsympathetic people in charge of things during a crisis.

Hypocrite.
 
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WillStG wrote:

> All you do is show people just how little you have to offer in
> leadership and basic human decency, and no one is interested in having
> callous, unsympathetic people in charge of things during a crisis.

Is this directed to Bush? If not it should be.
 
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On 9 Sep 2005 02:46:38 -0700, "WillStG" <willstg@aol.com> wrote:

>Glenn Dowdy wrote:
>> "WillStG" <willstg@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1126195498.005048.121090@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >
>> > Kurt, doing a fair and thorough investigation of the response to
>> > the disaster will eat up resources that are desperately needed right
>> > now in dealing with the crisis.
>>
>> Could you say this sentence out loud and still keep a straight face? What
>> resources will be consumed in the investigation that would other be used to
>> provide aid to the needy?
>
> What, are you on crack? You want to recall everyone who works at
>FEMA to Washington so you can have a series of hearings on the matter?

No. Just Brownie.

OOPS! It looks like the administration has been reading my posts and
is now going to follow my advice. Thank goodness for R.A.P.!

Kurt Riemann

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FEMA Chief Relieved of Katrina Duties
Sep 09 2:24 PM US/Eastern


By LARA JAKES JORDAN
Associated Press Writer


WASHINGTON


Federal Emergency Management Agency Director Michael Brown is being
relieved of his command of the Bush administration's Hurricane Katrina
onsite relief efforts, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff
announced Friday.

He will be replaced by Coast Guard Vice Adm. Thad W. Allen, who was
overseeing New Orleans relief and rescue efforts, Chertoff said.

Earlier, Brown confirmed the switch. Asked if he was being made a
scapegoat for a federal relief effort that has drawn widespread and
sharp criticism, Brown told The Associated Press after a long pause:
"By the press, yes. By the president, No."

"Michael Brown has done everything he possibly could to coordinate the
federal response to this unprecedented challenge," Chertoff told
reporters in Baton Rouge, La. Chertoff sidestepped a question on
whether the move was the first step toward Brown's leaving FEMA.

But a source close to Brown, speaking on condition of anonymity, said
the FEMA director had been considering leaving after the hurricane
season ended in November and that Friday's action virtually assures
his departure.

Brown has been under fire because of the administration's slow
response to the magnitude of the hurricane. On Thursday, questions
were raised about whether he padded his resume to exaggerate his
previous emergency management background.

Less than an hour before Brown's removal came to light, White House
press secretary Scott McClellan said Brown had not resigned and the
president had not asked for his resignation.

Chertoff suggested the shift came as the Gulf Coast efforts were
entering "a new phase of the recovery operation." He said Brown would
return to Washington to oversee the government's response to other
potential disasters.

"I appreciate his work, as does everybody here," Chertoff said.

"I'm anxious to get back to D.C. to correct all the inaccuracies and
lies that are being said," Brown said in a telephone interview with
The Associated Press.

Asked if the move was a demotion, Brown said: "No. No. I'm still the
director of FEMA."

He said Chertoff made the decision to move him out of Louisiana. It
was not his own decision, Brown said.

"I'm going to go home and walk my dog and hug my wife and, maybe get a
good Mexican meal and a stiff margarita and a full night's sleep. And
then I'm going to go right back to FEMA and continue to do all I can
to help these victims," Brown said. "This story's not about me. This
story's about the worst disaster of the history of our country that
stretched every government to its limit and now we have to help these
victims."
 
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On 9 Sep 2005 02:46:38 -0700, "WillStG" <willstg@aol.com> wrote:

>Glenn Dowdy wrote:
>> "WillStG" <willstg@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1126195498.005048.121090@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >
>> > Kurt, doing a fair and thorough investigation of the response to
>> > the disaster will eat up resources that are desperately needed right
>> > now in dealing with the crisis.
>>
>> Could you say this sentence out loud and still keep a straight face? What
>> resources will be consumed in the investigation that would other be used to
>> provide aid to the needy?
>
> What, are you on crack? You want to recall everyone who works at
>FEMA to Washington

Bush has already recalled that idiot Brown, check the news. Guess he
"mis-spoke himself" when he declared that "Brownie's doing a great job".

so you can have a series of hearings on the matter?
>Yeah, that's gonna help _a lot_ while there are so many families
>displaced, probably still tens of thousands dead bodies to be recovered
>and buried and New Orleans is still under water.

>no one is interested in having
>callous, unsympathetic people in charge of things during a crisis.

That's rich -- you've just described the administration to a T.

>Will Miho
>Apologist for negligent homicide
 
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WillStG <willstg@aol.com> wrote:

> What, are you on crack? You want to recall everyone who works at
> FEMA to Washington so you can have a series of hearings on the matter?

You have never held a mangement position; you have always worked for
somebody else. You have no idea how to manage, let alone emergencvy
manage, and apparently, neither do your political gods. Worship as you
choose, but keep the smoke going up your own ass, not ours.

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Pooh Bear wrote:

> If your Gov't rebuilds below sea level then I hope some school-kid is going
> to come along and point out the idiocy in that !

Go read that link that Kurt Albershardt put up. You will come to
understand why New Orleans is where it is. The importance of its
location is not easily overcome.

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"Dr. Dolittle" <pdo@spambusters.net> wrote in message
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Dr Dolittle - or whatever name you are using today.

You are on notice to cease and desist forging an address on our domain as
your from address.

Complaints filed with appropriate authorities.

Apologies to other users of these groups - Dr Doliitle does not have an
account with us.

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I'd suggest killing them on site as idiots handling the situation and
bringing up the most green of interns and you'd get better results.

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"WillStG" <willstg@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Glenn Dowdy wrote:
> > "WillStG" <willstg@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:1126195498.005048.121090@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > >
> > > Kurt, doing a fair and thorough investigation of the response to
> > > the disaster will eat up resources that are desperately needed right
> > > now in dealing with the crisis.
> >
> > Could you say this sentence out loud and still keep a straight face?
What
> > resources will be consumed in the investigation that would other be used
to
> > provide aid to the needy?
>
> What, are you on crack? You want to recall everyone who works at
> FEMA to Washington so you can have a series of hearings on the matter?
> Yeah, that's gonna help _a lot_ while there are so many families
> displaced, probably still tens of thousands dead bodies to be recovered
> and buried and New Orleans is still under water.
>
> If anyone thinks they are going to gain somehow from this
> situation by beating on the political drum they are really really
> wrong. All you do is show people just how little you have to offer in
> leadership and basic human decency, and no one is interested in having
> callous, unsympathetic people in charge of things during a crisis.
>
> Get it? You are only shooting yourself in the foot. It would be
> wise to be competing to be *more* bi-partisan now than anyone else, and
> run your campaign strategy LATER, after the crisis has mostly been
> abated.
>
> Will Miho
> NY Music and TV/Audio Post Guy
> "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits
>
 
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Sorry, Glenn, but wrong question. Yes, I've gone into areas that weren't
the best areas go into and did so with the knowledge that I could be killed.
It was called Viet Nam. Either you're up for the job or you shouldn't be in
the job, but that's not the question.

The question is whether, as the LA Governor made the state of emergency
proclaimation, why federally paid National Guard weren't in position to
answer the emergency. Bush said the LA Governor should have delared a
Federal Emergency, and yet, she didn't have that option. Only the President
has that option, which he did in Florida last year with no problems. You
might remember that Florida somehow got him "elected" in 2000 after a number
of illegal actions like their purge list that killed hundreds if not
thousands of votes. Perhaps you don't remember, but facts don't depend on
your memory.

And if we have a problem with wheeled convoys into high water areas, then
why are most of Louisiana's high water equipment is in Iraq, where sand is
prevalent, not water?

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"Glenn Dowdy" <glenn.no.dowdy@hp.nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Roger W. Norman" <Roger@SirMusicStudio.com> wrote in message
> news:FbSdnV_H9cmlnoLeRVn-oQ@rcn.net...
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> >
> > The real question is why, when the Louisiana Governor did call for the
> > National Guard, they didn't show up for days.
> >
> Louisiana's, or other states? Ever deploy a wheeled convoy hundreds or
> thousands of miles through a hurricane disaster area?
>
> Glenn D.
>
>
 
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No, you misrepresent the circumstances. Since the levees were taken over by
the Army Corps of Engineers, it's not likely that local residents could have
a say one way or the other.

You know, even yesterday, as we assumed that all the problems would be fixed
by more allocations and dispensations for the poor who would obviously
become bankrupt by this disaster, the majority of the House of Repsentatives
voted not to give the evacuees a waiver towards their ability to get a
bankruptcy ruling in their favor due to an act of God. And that is the
terminology in insurance programs. An Act Of God. In otherwords, those who
have virtually nothing can't even be given the grace that the US is willing
to give some 3rd world countries in relieving their debts.

Look, I'm not going to continue this. All the information one needs is
available via the net, and one, if they are interested, can read my blog
from the link below. Being a shill for the govenment doesn't do anyone any
good. When it comes to anyone, as a proponent of this Administration, and
you have a problem, you will be treated with the same aplomb. Nothing nice
to think about.

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> "Roger W. Norman" wrote ...
> > You know, perhaps to my shame, I agree with the Franklin
> > Parrish resident who said, "you look at this and it makes every
> > grown man cry".
>
> But perhaps not the one of the majority of residents who
> repeatedly voted AGAINST spending money on beefing
> up the levees. You think the mayor will be re-elected?
>
>
 
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And it's something I've been saying for a long time, although not
necessarily in terms of New Orleans. Most of the immediately problematic
locales are under assault from cost cutting to support this war. Even today
Hurricane Ophelia is battering Florida's east coast and it only takes ONE
MORE catastrophe to put America under. This is what the bad guys want and if
they don't have control of the oil today (and all evidence says they do in
Saudi Arabia), then they will tomorrow because America has spread itself to
thin.

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"hank alrich" <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote in message
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> Pooh Bear wrote:
>
> > If your Gov't rebuilds below sea level then I hope some school-kid is
going
> > to come along and point out the idiocy in that !
>
> Go read that link that Kurt Albershardt put up. You will come to
> understand why New Orleans is where it is. The importance of its
> location is not easily overcome.
>
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That's not insurance. It's a bet. I'd like 2 to 1 if you don't mind.

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"Pooh Bear" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Richard Crowley wrote:
>
> > "Pooh Bear" wrote...
> > > Richard Crowley wrote:
> > >
> > >> "Roger W. Norman" wrote ...
> > >> > You know, perhaps to my shame, I agree with the Franklin
> > >> > Parrish resident who said, "you look at this and it makes every
> > >> > grown man cry".
> > >>
> > >> But perhaps not the one of the majority of residents who
> > >> repeatedly voted AGAINST spending money on beefing
> > >> up the levees. You think the mayor will be re-elected?
> > >
> > > Will there still be a city there in the future that needs a mayor ?
> >
> > Alas, we have a history of (repeatedly) reconstructing
> > civilizataion in places known to be in nature's path. :-(
> > Sometimes at unbelievable (and illgical) cost.
> >
> > One of the sidelight hobbies of our Federal government
> > seems to be insuring otherwise uninsurable assets in
> > flood plains, etc.
>
> Providing insurance for property that's exposed to excessive risk is
> sensible only once. Thereafter the propery should not be rebuilt and the
> insurance should be used to rebuild in a safer location.
>
> That my 2 cents anyway.
>
> Graham
>
>
 
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So you're saying that if people follow the village idiot, that makes the
village idiot smarter? After all, you are saying that the average American
isn't stupid, and it follows that one whom was followed was raised above the
average American. And thereby the average American was raised by virtue of
their decision.

I wouldn't hire Bush to run a 7-11.

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>
>
> Roger W. Norman wrote:
> > Hey, when I was saying that the majority of America was stupid, I got a
lot
> > of grief for it. Still, one only need to watch Fox News once in a while
to
> > prove my point.
>
> :)
>
> Actually, while it may be true, I'm not saying that the
> majority are stupid but rather that Rove saw how to swell
> the ranks of party line republicans who vote their party's
> choice by default with a whole new army of the stupid. It's
> not that the majority of voters are all stupid,
> necessasarily, but rather that the appeal to the stupid gave
> the Good Ol' Party the margin to win.
>
>
> Bob
> --
>
> "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
> simpler."
>
> A. Einstein
 
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Ah, but you miss many things Will says supposedly without saying them.

Point fingers. Like I said, anywhere you point there will be dead bodies,
lost dreams and flooded housing.

How not? Nothing was done. Nothing at all. We were a part of history
because we watched, day by day, and didn't demand that something was done.

But don't feel bad, because regardless of how much you tried to get
something done, no one was there to make it happen.

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> On 7 Sep 2005 05:01:06 -0700, "WillStG" <willstg@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >I said this is not the time for pointing fingers, same as
> >President Clinton.
>
> OK, enough with the "Pointing Fingers". Who is going to take
> RESPONSIBILITY? Bush? The buck NEVER stops there. He is the un-Truman.
 
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I thought I said this. FEMA isn't what it used to be, doesn't report
directly to the President anymore, and is just one of the many ineffective
agencies that Bush created with his forced Homeland Security Act. Congress
wanted something different, but once the White House had a chance to play
with it, Bush simply made Homeland Security a name and not a function.

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>
> Dr. Dolittle wrote:
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >
> >> If you study disaster planning for US cities, you will find that the
> >> primary responsible parties are the local and regional governments. I
> >> expect more Federal intervention in this time-honored process may
> >> follow recent events.
> >
> >
> >
> > The Federal Government shall provide necessary direction,
> > coordination, and guidance and shall provide necessary assistance as
> > authorized in this Act so that a comprehensive emergency preparedness
> > system exists for all hazards.
> >
> > http://www.fema.gov/library/stafact.shtm#sec201
>
> And it took a special act to remind them of this?
>
>
> Bob
> --
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> "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
> simpler."
>
> A. Einstein
 
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hank alrich wrote:
> WillStG <willstg@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > What, are you on crack? You want to recall everyone who works at
> > FEMA to Washington so you can have a series of hearings on the matter?
>
> You have never held a mangement position; you have always worked for
> somebody else. You have no idea how to manage, let alone emergencvy
> manage, and apparently, neither do your political gods.

That's incorrect. But that you would make this statement about my
work experience with no way of knowing if it is true or not is hardly
surprising. Just more of Hank making up facts to support his
conclusions.

> Worship as you
> choose, but keep the smoke going up your own ass, not ours.

Blowing smoke would be making excuses for people, and I have
done nothing of the sort. So if you detect smoke blowing up your ass
Hank, look for it's origin elsewhere. I have only asked you to save
the recriminations _during the crisis_; until the dead are buried and
the survivors attended to; but you figure that's "too religious" ?

You are a piece of work Hank.

Will Miho
NY Music and TV/Audio Post Guy
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Roger W. Norman wrote:
> So you're saying that if people follow the village idiot, that makes the
> village idiot smarter?

Not that I know of. I'm just saying that many dumb folks
didn't feel quite so dumb in comparison to this candidate
and that's why he became their candidate. They felt raised.
Further, I'm saying that Rove played that card with full
understanding of its suit.

The smarter republicans just figured that he was well backed
up. That, however, wasn't so smart as I hope many are
coming to realize.


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WillStG wrote:
> Glenn Dowdy wrote:
>
>>"WillStG" <willstg@aol.com> wrote in message
>>news:1126195498.005048.121090@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>> Kurt, doing a fair and thorough investigation of the response to
>>>the disaster will eat up resources that are desperately needed right
>>>now in dealing with the crisis.
>>
>>Could you say this sentence out loud and still keep a straight face? What
>>resources will be consumed in the investigation that would other be used to
>>provide aid to the needy?
>
>
> What, are you on crack? You want to recall everyone who works at
> FEMA to Washington so you can have a series of hearings on the matter?

Will you ever stop puting words in people's mouths? What
_is_ that all about?

Do you actually hear those words eminating from somewhere or
is it just a "well" developed debating strategy?


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Roger W. Norman top posted:
> Sorry, Glenn, but wrong question.

What was the question?


Bob
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"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

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