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This is simply not true, Arny. You can't have a local government being
responsible for plans that extend outside of it's area of influence because
it innundates the surrounding counties with circumstances they haven't the
possibility to plan on. Your supposition is ill-founded. Local governments
can only respond to local problems. Once it gets outside of the scope of
the locality, it becomes a state problem. If you read some of the
documentation you'll see that emergency management is a state office, with
people in the local communities being a part of the state government as
representatives of the state's policies on emergencies.

For instance, if my house floods, that's my problem. If my house floods and
my neighbor's house floods, we aren't capable of establishing any type of
actions that will cause our other neighbors to put up with our local
problems. However a stupid analogy it might be, it's fair to say it's
accurate. Emergency management starts at the top and works it's way done.
The NO mayor could only call for help. His resources were stressed to the
breaking point, his position as mayor doesn't give him the ability to
confiscate resources from local companies, and so he has no power to
initiate actions when his system breaks down from lack of resources. That's
why only GOVERNORS can call up the National Guard. And that requires a
Presidential declaration of a state of emergency.

The real question is why, when the Louisiana Governor did call for the
National Guard, they didn't show up for days.

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"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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> "Rob Reedijk" <reedijk@hera.med.utoronto.ca> wrote in
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>
> > The first disturbing image was while there was a quick
> > exodus organised out of New Orleans---all I saw was cars
> > cars cars. I did not see a
> > single bus on those clogged highways. How is possible
> > that in
> > organising a mass exodus, the US did not organise
> > thousands of busses
> > to help the poor evacuate the threatened areas.
>
> If you study disaster planning for US cities, you will find
> that the primary responsible parties are the local and
> regional governments. I expect more Federal intervention in
> this time-honored process may follow recent events.
>
> The public record shows that the New Orlean's mayor's
> biggest concern was liability for calling for an evacuation,
> and that he had to be repeatedly begged by no less than the
> president of the US before he acted.
>
> BTW, the president of the U.S. authorized all necessary
> steps be taken by all federal agencies on Saturday before
> the storm, which was the day he was asked to do so by the
> designated local authority, the governor of Lousiana.
>
> The mayor of New Orleans had about a thousand busses at his
> finger tips. They have been photographed from air and are
> currently *swimming* in New Orleans. The public record
> indicates that he put a whopping ten (10) of them into
> service, for the purpose of moving people to the Superdome.
> This proves that he had control of the busses, but also
> shows his limited vision.
>
> The public record also shows that the mayor told people to
> prepare for only 3-4 days in the dome and bring their own
> food and water. This shows that the mayor underestimated the
> response time of state and federal relief agencies which is
> well known to be 3-5 days. It also shows that the mayor made
> zero infrastructure preparations for his people.
>
> I might speculate that once the proverbial substance hit the
> proverbial fan, the mayor and his political allies went into
> overdrive to raise a smokescreen to cover up his
> questionable actions by blaming the Federal government.
>
>
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Roger W. Norman wrote:
> Hey, when I was saying that the majority of America was stupid, I got a lot
> of grief for it. Still, one only need to watch Fox News once in a while to
> prove my point.

:)

Actually, while it may be true, I'm not saying that the
majority are stupid but rather that Rove saw how to swell
the ranks of party line republicans who vote their party's
choice by default with a whole new army of the stupid. It's
not that the majority of voters are all stupid,
necessasarily, but rather that the appeal to the stupid gave
the Good Ol' Party the margin to win.


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But you are plainly wrong, Arny, and yet you continue to propound upon what
you conceive to be something you read. It's not true. Or, perhaps more
appropriately it wasn't true when FEMA had a capability to respond
immediately and only answered to the President, which pretty much put it at
a cabinet level position. But NEVER has any level of government been called
on to respond to a situation that exceeded it's ability to respond. That's
why there are escalations of responsibility. If you cannot provide the
resources necessary because of the sheer level of the problem, it becomes
necessary for those outside of the affected area to respond. As we've seen
in this circumstance, there is no way one could hold Ray Nagin to fault.
The catastrophe was well beyond 100,000 square miles of local responses to
attend to. To pick on the mayor of New Orleans is so narrow minded that I
can't believe you continue to hold out this argument.

This is a clear and obvious failing of this administration, both in it's
demotion of FEMA to an agency within Homeland Security and which apparently
didn't know what their responsibilities or authorites were, and no one can
be held responsible because a storm too big to handle came their way.

Besides, the flip side is obvious also. New Orleans didn't have a problem
until federally funded programs involving federal agencies fell short of the
required goals due to a true lack of funding and foresight. In short, the
problem wasn't the storm, but the breeching of the unrepaired levees. The
only card that can be played against Ray Nagin is that he actually believed
that somehow this administration would rise to the task.

BTW, it was Monday evening when Franklin Parrish (30 miles closer to the
storm and bore a significant pounding) finally had the first person from
FEMA in, and they have yet to have help on the ground. Or at least at the
last I heard. I fail to see how people with nothing can respond with
something.

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"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <mams@NOSPAm-a-m-s.com> wrote in
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> > "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message..
> >
> >> If you study disaster planning for US cities
>
> > Arny... just STOP it... STOP defending this nightmare !!
>
> Defending what?
>
> The fault here is clear and I've named the guilty parties.
> It's like Murder On The Orient Express.
>
> Admittly, people who want to blame just the federal
> government aren't going to be happy with my assessment, but
> nobody seems to want to explain why the local officials
> should get a free pass.
>
> BTW I think this whole discussion from the OP onward is way
> out of line. It's just the one-sidedness of the OP that got
> me going.
>
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Roger W. Norman wrote:
> Let's see. First, I have a black wife and have for 17 years. I don't
> believe my black family thinks me racist. Possibly culturally ignorant but
> that can cut both ways. My wife and I are so close about things that are
> both white and black issues that this is all I care about. My statement
> about going up to Harlem was more about putting yourself into an environment
> you know nothing about and see how well your beliefs and experiences
> coincide with theirs. Not the same thing as being racist. Cultural
> differences is one of the major problems with this administration's view of
> the world. But there are tons of cultural differences right here in River
> City and it's spelled P-O-O-R. That's right, poor. (if you can imagine
> Robert Preston singing to the crowd on the I-10 bridge).

I didn't call you a racist and I know very well you have a black
wife (and that you were in 'Nam, as you say everytime you have a need
to drum up some kind of personal credibility.) I said your comments
that my half Asian ass for some reason needed an education in black
culture up in Harlem only reflected your own racial self-loathing.
Certainly I have given you no basis in my comments here for popping off
at me as if I were somehow against the poor blacks in New Orleans, but
now that you have made such comments it's *you* who is attempting
damage control.

Face it, you have failed at making this disaster a racial issue,
you have failed at making it a political issue, all you have done is
make yourself look bad and shoot your own political cause in the foot.
Take a look at the latest CNN/Gallup poll on the issue if you don't
beleive me. The only people in agreement with you are your other
die-hard Bush haters, who have only managed to marginalize even
themselves further - who knew that was even possible? Congratulations.

Will Miho
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Yep. In order to camp on a lake first you MUST have a catamaran. And even
then you can't start a campfire. Well, you could once.

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"hank alrich" <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote in message
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> David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
>
> > "Arny Krueger" wrote...
> > > "Roger W. Norman" wrote
>
> > > > Can anyone imagine what toll it would take if New York
> > > > had to be evacuated?
>
> > > In fact 500,000 or more were evacuated from Manhattan on
> > > 9/11. On a normal workday there are 2.2 million commuters in
> > > New York.
>
> > But they had a city to return to, didn't they?
>
> You mean like a city with power and water and highways, right? That sort
> of little stuff Arny's taking for granted.
>
> Arny, this line is making you look a lot like a guy who'd give SR advice
> and not know what is FOH. Think about it. "I'm a comfortable white guy
> with plenty of camping gear so I don't see why those folks had
> problems." Unh hunh...
>
> -
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You know, perhaps to my shame, I agree with the Franklin Parrish resident
who said, "you look at this and it makes every grown man cry". And I have.
I'm sitting here in my little safe haven and this presents profound emotions
and thoughts of these people's loss, their desparation, their anguish. To
me, it makes no difference what Will says. The facts and the sights are
representative in themselves, and any feeling person is going to feel
something.

On the other hand, we have people going "ah, don't be too quick to point
fingers". My answer to that is to point fingers at the images of dead
bodies floating in the streets and on the sidewalks and outside the Civic
Center under a sheet and on the streets under a tarp. There is no reason
NOT to point fingers. Everywhere you point there is something wrong, and I
mean that literally. A sweep of the hand with point finger will find
something wrong in every quadrant. And the reason real people point out
there is something wrong is that for some of us, not on the Bush list of
contributors, we can expect the same types of reactions as we've seen were
something catastrophic to happen to us. Why not? Where is it that there is
any other response? What history does this man have? He took away a $1
billion dollar ruling from the court which said Iraq owed US servicemen that
money because of their torture, and then we torture Iraq civilians. There
is nothing positive this man has accomplished for the average man. There
are more poor, the rich get richer, there's no end to the American deaths in
Iraq and no Constitution in sight (in either country, btw), and there's no
historical reason to believe this man can solve 2+2 much less the problems
of a nation in turmoil.

I'd love to be able to support Bush. When he was elected I didn't like the
way he was s/elected, but I went along with it. When 9/11 happened, I was
foolish enough to say, "at least he has the right people in place at the
right time" thinking of Rumsfeld and Powell and Cheney. Boy, was I proven
wrong. I guess I forgot that I was, once upon a time, a Republican. Any
remnents of that thinking are long gone now because the vision of people
without hope, with no answer to their prayers, and no expectations that they
would be rescued still took care of their own when our government didn't.

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"Rob Reedijk" <reedijk@hera.med.utoronto.ca> wrote in message
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> WillStG <willstg@aol.com> wrote:
> > Someday Roger, someday perhaps you might let some great tragedy
> > pass without giving in to the inevitable, kneejerk impulse to make a
> > political football out of it?
>
> > Whether it's a Natural Disaster, an Act of God or a Terrorist
> > Attack, somehow it all becomes an excersise in finger pointing and
> > political self superiority. Give it a rest at least for a while, please
> > - it will make our need to unite during a time of crisis a whole lot
> > easier for everyone.
>
> You know, Will, it's always easy to throw around responses like "kneejerk
> impulse".
>
> I am still, over a week later, absolutely stunned by what happenned. Far
> more than by 9-11. I can not believe that this could happen.
> Americans should feel great shame in how you have let your own people
> down. As a Canadian, and so in the country most connected to the US
> I feel some of this shame myself since if Americans are capable of it,
> we may also.
>
> The first disturbing image was while there was a quick exodus organised
> out of New Orleans---all I saw was cars cars cars. I did not see a
> single bus on those clogged highways. How is possible that in
> organising a mass exodus, the US did not organise thousands of busses
> to help the poor evacuate the threatened areas.
>
> We get, by satellite, numerous news sources. It has been interesting
> to see the shift. While there was some harsh criticism on CNN, you
> can already see the spin happening. But fortunately, we can watch
> the BBC, and various Canadian news channels (sadly, the CBC has a
> strike so the coverage is limited). While CNN and Fox News are
> now switching to the relief effort and some of the heartwarming stuff,
> at the least the BBC is hammering hard with criticism.
>
> The spin is happening. FEMA and its director are already the scapegoat.
> And of course they have failed terribly. But I hope that Americans
> will remember what has happened. The shame of allowing tens of
> thousands of mostly poor Americans of Colour to die should stay
> with you. You must hold your current administration accountable
> for this. While there has been endless debate on the merits
> of GWB's Presidency over the last 4 or 5 years, there should no longer
> be any doubt that this man should not be President, nor should the
> people around him be running the country. He must be impeached.
> I know it won't make a difference since Cheney will simply complete
> the term---but they should still be held accountable.
>
> After 9-11, you went to great lengths to hold the perpetrators
responsible.
> This disaster is 10 times worse, since the number of deaths should have
> been one tenth of what they were.
> After you have buried your dead, and rebuilt your cities, please
> remember and hold those in charge accountable as you did with 9-11.
>
> Rob R.
 
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It's like a law that hasn't been tested in court, Arny. To say they have
good disaster plans means that they have exhibited those plans in action and
they have worked. Even NYC didn't have a plan, but they had 13 million
people who had been attacked and they responded.

New Orleans was ordered to evacuate. Still I find it hard for anyone to
understand that police had their own families to move out, bus drivers
aren't under any kind of obligation to risk their lives to rescue people,
and any circumstance that exceeds resources simply is an unanswerable
circumstance by local actions.

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"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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> "Bob Cain" <arcane@arcanemethods.com> wrote in message
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> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >
> >> Speaking of previous relevant experience, let's talk
> >> about the Mayor of New Orleans.
> >>
> >> Zero previous experience in government, not even
> >> governor of Texas. ;-)
> >>
> >> His career was installing TV cable systems, Before
> >> becoming Mayor, Mr Nagin served as the vice president
> >> and general manager for Cox Communications in south-east
> >> Louisiana.
>
> > This is extremely common for Mayor's everywhere. Disaster
> > management is almost nowhere considered a requisite for
> > that office.
>
> Then why do so many cities have good disaster management
> plans?
>
> BTW, the mayors don't have to know anything about disaster
> management, they just have to be able to wake up and smell
> the coffee.
>
> >This is exactly why such management must be
> > dealt with at a national level.
>
> Here's the problem especially with states like Lousiana,
> this puts you right in the middle of a state's rights
> situation.
>
> BTW, am I the only person here who notices the fact that
> we're dealing with a situation involving a predominately
> black city and a state with errr, a race-rights history?
>
> We've got a similar situation here in Michigan, about right
> under my nose. It's called Detroit. While Michigan does not
> have hands that are exactly clean of racial politics, I'd
> like to think we're a little ahead of Lousiana. It's not a
> pretty picture under the best of circumstances.
>
> > There is no other way to
> > get the required uniform co-ordination and multi-state
> > response.
>
> We seem to have a pracctical contradiction of that theory
> right before us, involving the response of Texas.
>
> > The people under attack in such a situation are
> > the last people that should be expected to be managing
> > the problem for all kinds of obvious reasons.
>
> Like I keep saying, this problem is verrrry old, and
> predates the emergency at hand by decades.
>
> > I think most of us believed that the fed understood this
> > and were prepared for states coming under attack by at
> > least something this predictable with such a predictable
> > scope.
>
> The fed is not all-powerful. For example, its still the law
> that the National Guard can't enter a state with police
> powers without being given them by the state.
>
> > The reality is a stunner.
>
> Lots of people put their heads in the sand and decided to
> play politics instead of address a projected prolbem that
> became reality.
>
> BTW, who is Trent Lott and why is he building shipyards
> instead of dealing with this problem in advance?
>
> >The fed is like an insurance company in this regard.
>
> Next-day claims service is a rarity.
>
> > No state or locality
> > can possibly be liable for the specific disaster that can
> > befall it.
>
> No doubt the fed is going to pour tons of money into this
> catastrophe.
>
> > As we see, events can be too big for that.
>
> Remember this discussion started out someplace else -
> response time by Fema and the perception that the president
> held up approvals for some unknown reason. The public
> record shows a different story - the problem started out at
> the local level.
>
>
 
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"Roger W. Norman" wrote ...
> You know, perhaps to my shame, I agree with the Franklin
> Parrish resident who said, "you look at this and it makes every
> grown man cry".

But perhaps not the one of the majority of residents who
repeatedly voted AGAINST spending money on beefing
up the levees. You think the mayor will be re-elected?
 
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"hank alrich" <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote in message
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> David Morgan wrote:
>
>> "Glenn Dowdy" wrote...
>>
>> > President Bush declared a state of emergency in La on Saturday, 8/27
>> > http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050827-1.html
>> >
>> > "Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at
>> > its
>> > discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts
>> > of
>> > the emergency. Debris removal and emergency protective measures,
>> > including
>> > direct Federal assistance, will be provided at 75 percent Federal
>> > funding."
>>
>>
>> So we ask again... WHY was nothing done, and at whos "discretion" ?
>
> I heared from Arny it's the mayor's fault for not getting the National
> Guard back from Iraq in time to help.
>
By schoolbus.

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But hey, it's hot in Iraq, so you know the windows will be done.

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> "hank alrich" <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote in message
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> > David Morgan wrote:
> >
> >> "Glenn Dowdy" wrote...
> >>
> >> > President Bush declared a state of emergency in La on Saturday, 8/27
> >> > http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050827-1.html
> >> >
> >> > "Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide
at
> >> > its
> >> > discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the
impacts
> >> > of
> >> > the emergency. Debris removal and emergency protective measures,
> >> > including
> >> > direct Federal assistance, will be provided at 75 percent Federal
> >> > funding."
> >>
> >>
> >> So we ask again... WHY was nothing done, and at whos "discretion" ?
> >
> > I heared from Arny it's the mayor's fault for not getting the National
> > Guard back from Iraq in time to help.
> >
> By schoolbus.
>
> Glenn D.
>
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Roger W. Norman wrote:
> No matter how many things come up in the world, Monty Python certain seemed
> to point out the absurdities, didn't they! <g>

Always good in a bad situation, the pythons...
"always look on the bright side of life" Suits GX I think. At least he's
a positive thinker.

GW "people, things may look tough"
Person " yes, in fact, I have no food and water"
GW "but, when this is over"
Person "I will be dead"
GW "I hear you, but we're going to sort this out and beat adversity, you
and me together"
Person "yes, but aaarghh" ----- silence
GW "at least he you didn't die in vain and the people responsible will
be told they were responsible but not really"

Someone important "what the president is trying to say is blah blah
blah....."

Cheers from lots of people waving flags....
 
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Roger W. Norman wrote:

> No matter how many things come up in the world, Monty Python certain
seemed
> to point out the absurdities, didn't they! <g>


Always good in a bad situation, the pythons...
"always look on the bright side of life" Suits GW I think. At least he's
a positive thinker.

GW "people, things may look tough"
Person " yes, in fact, I have no food and water"
GW "but, when this is over"
Person "I will be dead"
GW "I hear you, but we're going to sort this out and beat adversity, you
and me together"
Person "yes, but aaarghh" ----- silence
GW "at least he you didn't die in vain and the people responsible will
be told they were responsible but not really"

Someone important "what the president is trying to say is blah blah
blah....."

Cheers from lots of people waving flags....
 
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Nice.

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> Roger W. Norman wrote:
>
> > No matter how many things come up in the world, Monty Python certain
> seemed
> > to point out the absurdities, didn't they! <g>
>
>
> Always good in a bad situation, the pythons...
> "always look on the bright side of life" Suits GW I think. At least he's
> a positive thinker.
>
> GW "people, things may look tough"
> Person " yes, in fact, I have no food and water"
> GW "but, when this is over"
> Person "I will be dead"
> GW "I hear you, but we're going to sort this out and beat adversity, you
> and me together"
> Person "yes, but aaarghh" ----- silence
> GW "at least he you didn't die in vain and the people responsible will
> be told they were responsible but not really"
>
> Someone important "what the president is trying to say is blah blah
> blah....."
>
> Cheers from lots of people waving flags....
 
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> > Speaking of evacuees in the Astrodome, the former first lady told a reporter in Houston: "What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everybody is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway. This is working very well for them."<<<<<<<<<<

A good place for them would be Crawford Texas, where they can sample
that "compassionate conservatism".

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure as old Ben Franklin
would say. But then a little bit of prevention might have cut into a
golf game or a bicycle workout.....
 

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> The only people in agreement with you are your other
> die-hard Bush haters, who have only managed to marginalize even
> themselves further
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The term "marginalize" is clearly inappropriate in this context, as anyone
with an open mind can see for themselves.

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Kurt Riemann wrote:

> No Ferries, No Boats. We have lethal 30 foot tides (second highest on
> earth) racing across silt and mud, but no crossing right now. We're
> running out of space. Anchorage is full. It's a bit like not having
> any transportation off Manhattan Island when the neighboring areas are
> empty. Look at the satellite photo and you'll see the obvious need.
>
> http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/images/1885/PIA02675.jpg
>
>

Yeah, it looks like that might add a few more neighborhoods. ;)
 
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Richard Crowley wrote:

> "Roger W. Norman" wrote ...
> > You know, perhaps to my shame, I agree with the Franklin
> > Parrish resident who said, "you look at this and it makes every
> > grown man cry".
>
> But perhaps not the one of the majority of residents who
> repeatedly voted AGAINST spending money on beefing
> up the levees. You think the mayor will be re-elected?

Will there still be a city there in the future that needs a mayor ?

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"Pooh Bear" wrote...
> Richard Crowley wrote:
>
>> "Roger W. Norman" wrote ...
>> > You know, perhaps to my shame, I agree with the Franklin
>> > Parrish resident who said, "you look at this and it makes every
>> > grown man cry".
>>
>> But perhaps not the one of the majority of residents who
>> repeatedly voted AGAINST spending money on beefing
>> up the levees. You think the mayor will be re-elected?
>
> Will there still be a city there in the future that needs a mayor ?

Alas, we have a history of (repeatedly) reconstructing
civilizataion in places known to be in nature's path. :-(
Sometimes at unbelievable (and illgical) cost.

One of the sidelight hobbies of our Federal government
seems to be insuring otherwise uninsurable assets in
flood plains, etc.
 
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Richard Crowley wrote:

> Alas, we have a history of (repeatedly) reconstructing
> civilizataion in places known to be in nature's path. :-(

I heard an interesting slant on reconstruction today on NPR.
Since 30% of the N.O. population was signifigantly below
the poverty level and another 30% hovering around it, what
exactly will be reconstructed? Poverty?


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On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:22:46 -0700, Bob Cain
<arcane@arcanemethods.com> wrote:

>
>
>Richard Crowley wrote:
>
>> Alas, we have a history of (repeatedly) reconstructing
>> civilizataion in places known to be in nature's path. :-(
>
>I heard an interesting slant on reconstruction today on NPR.
> Since 30% of the N.O. population was signifigantly below
>the poverty level and another 30% hovering around it, what
>exactly will be reconstructed? Poverty?
>
>
>Bob

They will be bulldozed and newer higher-priced properties will arise
off of Burbon Street to house Halliburton.

I think Barbara Bush may be in on it.





Kurt Riemann