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<Kurt Riemann> wrote ...
> Like I said before, Bush appointed the head of FEMA, and
> he has not risen to the occasion.

And the voters of NO selected their mayor and LA their
governor. Both of whom had primary responsibility. Or do
you think we should just do away with those pesky layers
of local and state governments and let the Feds run everything
directly? That should be great.
 
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In article <dfpqht$9e2$1@news01.intel.com>,
"Richard Crowley" <richard.7.crowley@intel.com> wrote:

> <Kurt Riemann> wrote ...
> > Like I said before, Bush appointed the head of FEMA, and
> > he has not risen to the occasion.
>
> And the voters of NO selected their mayor and LA their
> governor. Both of whom had primary responsibility. Or do
> you think we should just do away with those pesky layers
> of local and state governments and let the Feds run everything
> directly? That should be great.
>
>

All levels of government have failed. Our electoral system is not very good at
selecting competent candidates.

-Jay
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Richard Crowley wrote:
> <Kurt Riemann> wrote ...
>
>>Like I said before, Bush appointed the head of FEMA, and
>>he has not risen to the occasion.
>
>
> And the voters of NO selected their mayor and LA their
> governor. Both of whom had primary responsibility. Or do
> you think we should just do away with those pesky layers
> of local and state governments and let the Feds run everything
> directly? That should be great.
>
>
Crossposted from nashville.general:

Source:
<http://www.chris-floyd.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=97&
Itemid=1>

"On Saturday, August 27, 2005 -- two days before Hurricane Katrina made
landfall -- President George W. Bush assumed responsibility for the
coordination of "all disaster relief efforts" in the State of Louisiana.
This is the specific, undisputed language of Bush's declaration of a
State of Emergency, issued that day by the White House, and still
available for viewing on the White House website. The responsibility for
coordinating all disaster relief efforts in New Orleans clearly rested
with the White House. Despite all the post-disaster spin by the Bush
Faction and its sycophants, despite all the earnest media analyses, the
lines of authority are clear and indisputable. Here is the voice of
George W. Bush himself, in the proclamation issued in his name, over his
signature on Saturday, August 27, 2005:

"The President today declared an emergency exists in the State of
Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement state and local response
efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina
beginning on August 26, 2005, and continuing. The President's action
authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency
Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts
which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused
by the emergency on the local population, and to provide appropriate
assistance for required emergency measures"

"Bush goes on to say: "Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify,
mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources
necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency."

"There is really nothing more to be said about "lines of authority" and
"who was responsible" for managing the relief effort. Two days before
the hurricane struck Louisiana, the President of the United States
assumed the responsibility for coordinating ALL disaster relief efforts.
He then specifically designated FEMA as the lead agency in charge of
this effort, giving it presidential authorization to mobilize any and
all resources necessary to "alleviate the impacts of the emergency."
What's more, FEMA was given specific, direct, presidential authority to
act at its discretion -- it did not have to wait for approval from
elsewhere in the federal government or from state or local authorities.

"All of this is as plain as day; it's set down in black and white, in a
direct, unambiguous document signed by President George W. Bush and
available 24 hours a day on the official White House website. If any
Beltway pundit or high media mandarin wishes to know who was responsible
for the direction of "ALL disaster relief efforts" in the Gulf Coast
during and after the storm, they need only consult the White House
website."

"Can we end this ludicrous "debate" about blame now?"
 
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in message news:FA_Te.6473$Du3.3390@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

> Source:
> <http://www.chris-floyd.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=97&
> Itemid=1>
>
> "On Saturday, August 27, 2005 -- two days before Hurricane Katrina made
> landfall -- President George W. Bush assumed responsibility for the
> coordination of "all disaster relief efforts"

You need to study up on what "disaster relief" means vs.
emergency management i.e. sending in people with guns
to enforce the mandatory evacuation. Something which
the mayor is only now doing, a couple weeks too late.
 
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In article <1126195498.005048.121090@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"WillStG" <willstg@aol.com> wrote:

> All I have been asking of you is to *hold off* the political
> attacks during the State of Emergency,

Hypocrite.
 
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WillStG wrote:

> Kurt, doing a fair and thorough investigation of the response to
> the disaster will eat up resources that are desperately needed right
> now in dealing with the crisis.


Hahahahaha!!!

O.M.G. Just listen to yourself, man. Hahaha, can't , stop, laughing!!
 
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"WillStG" <willstg@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Kurt, doing a fair and thorough investigation of the response to
> the disaster will eat up resources that are desperately needed right
> now in dealing with the crisis.

Could you say this sentence out loud and still keep a straight face? What
resources will be consumed in the investigation that would other be used to
provide aid to the needy?

>
> All I have been asking of you is to *hold off* the political
> attacks during the State of Emergency, just wait a *little while* till
> the crisis has abated somewhat and everyone has been rescued, wait at
> least until the dead have been actually buried in the ground.

Because firing that imbecile Brown won't hurt, and it might help.


> And you
> call that partisan spin! Well. If you would actually use the critical
> thinking facilities you claim to possess you would realize that you are
> just making yourself look like an opportunist political jerk that
> doesn't really care about anyone.
>
> And that is a pity.
>
Then he's qualified to replace Brown, donchathink?

Glenn D.
 
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"Roger W. Norman" <Roger@SirMusicStudio.com> wrote in message
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>
> The real question is why, when the Louisiana Governor did call for the
> National Guard, they didn't show up for days.
>
Louisiana's, or other states? Ever deploy a wheeled convoy hundreds or
thousands of miles through a hurricane disaster area?

Glenn D.
 
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Bob Cain wrote:

> Richard Crowley wrote:
>
> > Alas, we have a history of (repeatedly) reconstructing
> > civilizataion in places known to be in nature's path. :-(
>
> I heard an interesting slant on reconstruction today on NPR.
> Since 30% of the N.O. population was signifigantly below
> the poverty level and another 30% hovering around it, what
> exactly will be reconstructed? Poverty?

Well......

That's 60% of the population's homes you can write off. I expect they
are the ones currently flooded anyway.

I expect the richer 40% may have lived in more sustainable locations
and they probably have insurance too.

How you run a city without cheap labour I don't know though.

Graham
 
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Richard Crowley wrote:

> "Pooh Bear" wrote...
> > Richard Crowley wrote:
> >
> >> "Roger W. Norman" wrote ...
> >> > You know, perhaps to my shame, I agree with the Franklin
> >> > Parrish resident who said, "you look at this and it makes every
> >> > grown man cry".
> >>
> >> But perhaps not the one of the majority of residents who
> >> repeatedly voted AGAINST spending money on beefing
> >> up the levees. You think the mayor will be re-elected?
> >
> > Will there still be a city there in the future that needs a mayor ?
>
> Alas, we have a history of (repeatedly) reconstructing
> civilizataion in places known to be in nature's path. :-(
> Sometimes at unbelievable (and illgical) cost.
>
> One of the sidelight hobbies of our Federal government
> seems to be insuring otherwise uninsurable assets in
> flood plains, etc.

Providing insurance for property that's exposed to excessive risk is
sensible only once. Thereafter the propery should not be rebuilt and the
insurance should be used to rebuild in a safer location.

That my 2 cents anyway.

Graham
 
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"Pooh Bear" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Bob Cain wrote:
>
>> Richard Crowley wrote:
>>
>> > Alas, we have a history of (repeatedly) reconstructing
>> > civilizataion in places known to be in nature's path. :-(
>>
>> I heard an interesting slant on reconstruction today on NPR.
>> Since 30% of the N.O. population was signifigantly below
>> the poverty level and another 30% hovering around it, what
>> exactly will be reconstructed? Poverty?
>
> Well......
>
> That's 60% of the population's homes you can write off. I expect they
> are the ones currently flooded anyway.
>
What makes us think that all these poor and near poor owned their homes?
Rental properties would certainly be rebuilt, if not in the same style as
before.

Glenn D.
 
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Glenn Dowdy wrote:

> What makes us think that all these poor and near poor owned their homes?
> Rental properties would certainly be rebuilt, if not in the same style as
> before.

Glenn, don't confuse them with details. ;)
 
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On 7 Sep 2005 05:01:06 -0700, "WillStG" <willstg@aol.com> wrote:

>I said this is not the time for pointing fingers, same as
>President Clinton.

OK, enough with the "Pointing Fingers". Who is going to take
RESPONSIBILITY? Bush? The buck NEVER stops there. He is the un-Truman.
 
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On 7 Sep 2005 12:19:14 -0700, "WillStG" <willstg@aol.com> wrote:

>Face it, you have failed at making this disaster a racial issue

Pew has issued their latest poll and it seems to echo the CBS and Zogby
polls from earlier today. Bush approval is 40% approve, 52% disapprove,
propped up pretty much by whites in the South. Bush handling of
Katrina: 67% say he could have done better.


ATTN Will: Big racial divide on how response to hurricane is viewed.
 
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On Wed, 07 Sep 2005 09:11:20 -0230, Bob Realist <no@spam.4me> wrote:

>In article <1126091736.530318.184620@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "WillStG" <willstg@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> In my judgement what the American people will *not* forgive is
>> anyone trying to gain politically from the disaster.

Such as Bush and 9/11?

>Hypocrite.

Yep...
 
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Arny Krueger wrote:

> If you study disaster planning for US cities, you will find
> that the primary responsible parties are the local and
> regional governments. I expect more Federal intervention in
> this time-honored process may follow recent events.


The Federal Government shall provide necessary direction,
coordination, and guidance and shall provide necessary assistance as
authorized in this Act so that a comprehensive emergency preparedness
system exists for all hazards.

http://www.fema.gov/library/stafact.shtm#sec201
 
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Dr. Dolittle wrote:
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>> If you study disaster planning for US cities, you will find that the
>> primary responsible parties are the local and regional governments. I
>> expect more Federal intervention in this time-honored process may
>> follow recent events.
>
>
>
> The Federal Government shall provide necessary direction,
> coordination, and guidance and shall provide necessary assistance as
> authorized in this Act so that a comprehensive emergency preparedness
> system exists for all hazards.
>
> http://www.fema.gov/library/stafact.shtm#sec201

And it took a special act to remind them of this?


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein
 
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Glenn Dowdy wrote:
> "WillStG" <willstg@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1126195498.005048.121090@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> >
> > Kurt, doing a fair and thorough investigation of the response to
> > the disaster will eat up resources that are desperately needed right
> > now in dealing with the crisis.
>
> Could you say this sentence out loud and still keep a straight face? What
> resources will be consumed in the investigation that would other be used to
> provide aid to the needy?

What, are you on crack? You want to recall everyone who works at
FEMA to Washington so you can have a series of hearings on the matter?
Yeah, that's gonna help _a lot_ while there are so many families
displaced, probably still tens of thousands dead bodies to be recovered
and buried and New Orleans is still under water.

If anyone thinks they are going to gain somehow from this
situation by beating on the political drum they are really really
wrong. All you do is show people just how little you have to offer in
leadership and basic human decency, and no one is interested in having
callous, unsympathetic people in charge of things during a crisis.

Get it? You are only shooting yourself in the foot. It would be
wise to be competing to be *more* bi-partisan now than anyone else, and
run your campaign strategy LATER, after the crisis has mostly been
abated.

Will Miho
NY Music and TV/Audio Post Guy
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Glenn Dowdy wrote:

> "Pooh Bear" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4320A1B0.D0A401FB@hotmail.com...
> >
> > Bob Cain wrote:
> >
> >> Richard Crowley wrote:
> >>
> >> > Alas, we have a history of (repeatedly) reconstructing
> >> > civilizataion in places known to be in nature's path. :-(
> >>
> >> I heard an interesting slant on reconstruction today on NPR.
> >> Since 30% of the N.O. population was signifigantly below
> >> the poverty level and another 30% hovering around it, what
> >> exactly will be reconstructed? Poverty?
> >
> > Well......
> >
> > That's 60% of the population's homes you can write off. I expect they
> > are the ones currently flooded anyway.
>
> What makes us think that all these poor and near poor owned their homes?
> Rental properties would certainly be rebuilt, if not in the same style as
> before.

I expect most actually don't own them.

Having seen that most would qualify in the UK as litle more than a gardn shed
I can't imagine why anyone would want to live in one !

If your Gov't rebuilds below sea level then I hope some school-kid is going
to come along and point out the idiocy in that !

Graahm
 
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Pooh Bear wrote:

> If your Gov't rebuilds below sea level then I hope some school-kid is going
> to come along and point out the idiocy in that !
>
> Graahm

Not as idiotic as it would seem. Had the levies not been breached, and
scientists rated them at a CAT 3, it wouldn't have been any worse than
anywhere else the hurricane might have hit. Assuming even more pumps
were also put in place, with their own weatherproof power stations.
Those scientists are pretty smart, eh? They predicted the situation
exactly. It was listed as number 2 of likely major disaster scenarios.

It's all about money. And it would have cost a lot less than 150 billion
dollars.

Now, on to global warning. . . Nah..