Iran Giving Google's Email The Boot

[tommysch]

Who the hell removed the political assassination part from the CIA mandate?

We should level Theran, ASAP.

 

[r3t4rd]

[citation][nom]TommySch[/nom]Who the hell removed the political assassination part from the CIA mandate?We should level Theran, ASAP.[/citation]
Its the Liberals that want to appease the advisaries. Its thier "We will just sit down and talk". Terrorists...which couldn't careless about themselves and you, and only have one goal, and that goal is to kill you if you don't convert, and you want to appease these people?

[citation][nom]Platypus[/nom]I guess I should also point out that it's the health insurance companies that have forced this issue. If they had honored their commitments instead of finding loopholes for every time they didn't want to pay up, they might have been able to prevent all of this.Boy, we really got off-topic here. Google and Iran, eh? It might also have something to do with Google starting to cooperate with the NSA.[/citation]
Sorry for dragging this off topic. But I do enjoy a good debate.

 

[r3t4rd]

[citation][nom]Platypus[/nom]Retard: If you really want to get your point across, try a neutral approach. Quit being so polarized. And remember: "A good mind is one that is open to change."[/citation]
Why be neutral? Be who you are. I have alot of friends who are on the opposite end of me. We debate all the time but do we hate each other? No. Do I hate the liberals? No. I do not agree with thier approach and view points. I am open to change. Its only when the change affects my constitutional rights or being forced unconstitutionally onto me that I have a problem with.

 

[slaphappy]

lol god, has anybody read some of r3tards other posts? This guy is such a troll. Someone at tom's seriously needs to ban this guy. All he does is derail every article and start talking about "liberal this" and "liberal that". Whats wrong with you?

 

[blackened144]

[citation][nom]TommySch[/nom]Who the hell removed the political assassination part from the CIA mandate?

We should level Theran, ASAP.[/citation]
While I often wonder about that first part, I have to disagree with the second. I have friends from Tehran, only the government needs to be "leveled".

 

[zak_mckraken]

I never actually thought of it before, but it really is obvious now that the internet will be the cause of the Third War. Each country is already choosing a side.

 

[eyemaster]

The US Government officials should learn to shut the F up when concerning other countries around the world. Their comments are infuriating. Fix your problems at home first, then maybe we'll let you comment on other countrie's decisions.

The US public is free to comment, go ahead, but not politicians.

 

[-unknown-]

*I'm sorry, but I just had to comment.

@ R3t4rd

Your entire argument against universal health care is based around a fear of not having choice, which another user pointed out as false and misplaced.

I always find that level of fear surprising as universal health care seems, to me, as obvious a right as the education system. Everybody gets to go to Primary and Secondary school for free. Sure it has its problems (underfunding, crowding, students/faculty that take advantage of the system, etc) but if you don't want the public option, you can pay for a private one. You have a choice.

A universal health care wouldn't be any different nor would it take away that freedom. What I suspect your issue then would be whether your tax dollars should fund such a system, and that is a whole other argument which I won't expand on since this has already gotten off-topic.

Again, my apologies to all, I just couldn't help myself to post.

 

[r3t4rd]

[citation][nom]slaphappy[/nom]lol god, has anybody read some of r3tards other posts? This guy is such a troll. Someone at tom's seriously needs to ban this guy. All he does is derail every article and start talking about "liberal this" and "liberal that". Whats wrong with you?[/citation]
Sorry but I do stay on topic. I just reflect my personal opinion in my response. But seriously, what did you expect as a response from this type of article from everyone else? It has politics written all over it. That is why there is a "Comment" section we all type on. Rate me down all you want.

 

[blackened144]

[citation][nom]-unknown-[/nom] Sure it has its problems (underfunding, crowding, students/faculty that take advantage of the system, etc) but if you don't want the public option, you can pay for a private one. [/citation]

There is a fundamental flaw with your arguement. We already "pay" for public school. We pay for it with our taxes. Having the "freedom" to pay for private school AFTER I have already paid for public school is not at all freedom. The only difference with nationalize health care will be that if the "public option" wont pay to save my life and I cant afford the "freedom" of paying more money to go to another doctor, I will just be left to die. That THATS freedom.

 

[Regulas]

[citation][nom]r3t4rd[/nom]If Obama, his Administration, and the far Left had its way here in the US...it'd be the same. Its already bad enough Obama and his goons wants to choose our Health Care and make decisions for us. Good thing there is still true conservatives who will oppose it if it ever happend - I am not talking about the Republicans either. Republicans nowadays, is what I call the real Delta Farce.[/citation]
Ditto, I agree. Don't let the thumbs down by the little Socialist trolls get you down.

 

[-unknown-]

[citation][nom]blackened144[/nom]There is a fundamental flaw with your arguement. We already "pay" for public school. We pay for it with our taxes. Having the "freedom" to pay for private school AFTER I have already paid for public school is not at all freedom. The only difference with nationalize health care will be that if the "public option" wont pay to save my life and I cant afford the "freedom" of paying more money to go to another doctor, I will just be left to die. That THATS freedom.[/citation]
Actually, there is no flaw with my argument. Your disagreement stems from your definition of 'freedom'. In my case, I refer to 'freedom' as your option of choice, so clearly, the argument stands. I'm not sure how you are defining 'freedom' in this argument (that sounds condescending but I'm really not trying to be, my apologies if it comes off that way) but nonetheless, your argument then stems to the perceived 'double payment' for the other (private) option. While I acknoledge your statement, this leads me to the point I ended my last post on.

[citation][nom]-unknown-[/nom]...What I suspect your issue then would be is whether your tax dollars should fund such a system, and that is a whole other argument which I won't expand on since this has already gotten off-topic...[/citation]

 

[knickle]

[citation][nom]r3t4rd[/nom]Health/Dental Clinics in Canada and Europe are behind in technology due to this very reason and that is another reason why people come to the US because of our privatized Health Network and competition. [/citation]

I live in Canada and I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that Dental care in this country is NOT free. Please get your facts straight.

By the way, your health care argument is only covering the extreme side of things (like the terminally ill). What about all the simple stuff? If I were to break my arm in an accident I am not going to fly to the USA for x-rays and a cast. I'll just pop over to the nearest hospital and get it x-rayed and casted at no charge to me. Woohoo!

 

[r3t4rd]

[citation][nom]-unknown-[/nom]*I'm sorry, but I just had to comment.@ R3t4rdYour entire argument against universal health care is based around a fear of not having choice, which another user pointed out as false and misplaced.I always find that level of fear surprising as universal health care seems, to me, as obvious a right as the education system. Everybody gets to go to Primary and Secondary school for free. Sure it has its problems (underfunding, crowding, students/faculty that take advantage of the system, etc) but if you don't want the public option, you can pay for a private one. You have a choice.A universal health care wouldn't be any different nor would it take away that freedom. What I suspect your issue then would be whether your tax dollars should fund such a system, and that is a whole other argument which I won't expand on since this has already gotten off-topic.Again, my apologies to all, I just couldn't help myself to post.[/citation]
Sorry, your use of the Education system in comparison to Health Care is by far a wrong analogy. Do I have fear of choice? No. Again, its not fear of not having choices, fact is, its when the Govt mandates and tells me what to do, belittles me, thinks for me, and decides what is best for me, when I am a perfectly capable person to take my own steps and make my way in life....is just ludicrus. Some people find it nice to have Big Brother make all the decisions for them, me, sorry, nope.

Lastly have you compared the Canadian's Healthe Care and Europe's Health Care to the US? Have you asked and have people who live in those countries tell you thier opinions? I have people who live in both Places...and I'll tell you again, waiting 6 months for a dental appointment or 1 yrs for a Cat-Scan....Wow.

 

[figgus]

If we will really have freedom of choice, then I will chose not to pay for other people's health care because they are too lazy to get a job and pay their own way.

Oh, but wait, that's not a "choice" I will have, is it?

In fact, after the tax hikes to pay for the weffies' health care, I won't be able to afford my own that I work to pay for.

THIS IS FREEDOM?!?!

 

[-unknown-]

[citation][nom]r3t4rd[/nom]...its not fear of not having choices, fact is, its when the Govt mandates and tells me what to do, belittles me, thinks for me, and decides what is best for me, when I am a perfectly capable person to take my own steps and make my way in life....is just ludicrus...[/citation]
I don't understand how the government is controlling you or telling you what to do by adding (and not replacing) a universal health care plan that you can use selectively by choice. It sounds (and please correct me if I'm wrong) as you're just in disagreement with the movement / implementation and not the idea of universal health care itself.

[citation][nom]r3t4rd[/nom]...Lastly have you compared the Canadian's Healthe Care and Europe's Health Care to the US? Have you asked and have people who live in those countries tell you thier opinions? I have people who live in both Places...and I'll tell you again, waiting 6 months for a dental appointment or 1 yrs for a Cat-Scan....Wow.[/citation]
I actually live in Canada. Dental care isn't free (not covered by the health plan) so there's no difference there but 1 year wait for a Cat-scan is just an extreme case (its much shorter). Personally, I'm a fan of having a private choice (which we don't have) but I would never give up the universal option despite all of its flaws.

 

[-unknown-]

[citation][nom]figgus[/nom]If we will really have freedom of choice, then I will chose not to pay for other people's health care because they are too lazy to get a job and pay their own way.Oh, but wait, that's not a "choice" I will have, is it?In fact, after the tax hikes to pay for the weffies' health care, I won't be able to afford my own that I work to pay for.THIS IS FREEDOM?!?![/citation]
By that logic, you also pay for roads you don't use, firefighters you don't need, waste disposal services you don't use, pay for education you may not enroll in, etc. Having an 'opt-out' option would be inappropriate for the same reason that the above programs don't have an 'opt-out' option.

The issue you are contesting is where tax dollars should be spent. This is not an uncommon topic of discussion and it ventures deep and wide into several other principles / ideals which is why again I must refer to my earlier reponse
[citation][nom]-unknown-[/nom]...What I suspect your issue then would be whether your tax dollars should fund such a system, and that is a whole other argument which I won't expand on since this has already gotten off-topic.[/citation]

 

[Platypus]

I guess that's the ultimate question behind this debate. Should universal health care be a right? You certainly have the right to take care of yourself, but do you have the right to force someone else to take care of you?

 

[-unknown-]

[citation][nom]Platypus[/nom]I guess that's the ultimate question behind this debate. Should universal health care be a right? You certainly have the right to take care of yourself, but do you have the right to force someone else to take care of you?[/citation]
You're almost there, the question isn't so much to have 'the right to force someone else to take care of you' as it is the question of 'is it the community's responsibility' (by community I mean the nation as a whole). After all, we don't have the right to force someone to pay for our education but its still paid for through taxation (hence why saying you're forcing someone else to pay isn't technically accurate).

The question as you put it is 'Should health care be a right' much like our education is or our sidewalks are.

 

[pharge]

man.... can people here stay on the topic and leave your political statemnt at home?

A lot of post here are not topic related and many of them are not even tech related!!!!

Heath care problem is an important topic... but NOT FOR HERE!!!