ISPs to Start Throttling Pirates, More by July 12

[HEXiT]

all you gotta do is switch to a provider that wont throttle you. 1s that do will loose customers very very quickly. and they will either have to put up prices to keep there share holders happy or go out of business....

if enough stop there contracts on the first letter the isp's will have no option but to abandon it...
in the uk there are plenty of small providers that give free net access at decent speeds so switching to 1 of them for a couple of months if a big company gets on your back is easy enough.
also in the uk they have been discussing this kind of measure but in reality they know its unworkable as its not hard to spoof an ip or hijack an open wireless connection or a protected 1 for that matter. and theres always citizen based internet. where you buy your own wireless transceiver and set up your own connection to a private server which you then use to go on to the net.
isp's in America are gonna come under some real scrutiny as they are infringing your legal right to information if they dissconect you. not only that the isp's advertise there speeds by telling you that," you can download movies faster* and entire albums in 4 seconds..
*based on a 700mb movie... which is odd because a standard dvd is 4.3-4.7gig a dvd9 is 9ish gig... and the only movies i know of that come under 700MB are pirated 1s... odd aint it... they advertise there speeds by telling you how fast you can pirate stuff...

in the eu/uk as far as i know they cant legally monitor internet traffic without a warrant due to the data protection act...if they do then you do have recourse in law as the police cant monitor your phone without a warrant and reasonable proof that a crime is in commision... like i say the police cant so why should bt or any other private company be allowed to? they cant monitor your phones and monitoring your internet is exactly the same or at least it should be...

mandelson did try to sneak an act in the bypassed this but it has also been rejected as unworkable.

 

[zenmaster]

This is not a court of law and they don't need to "prove" what you are doing.
If you are downloading 100s of GBs of data through anonymous internet proxies and other non-normal means they will still convict you since its unlikely its legal activity.

I likely move 100s of GBs of data each month over my internet connection, but I'm moving massive files around between companies and it's often over a VPN, but I'm not hiding source or destinations using anonymous proxies, since that would just hurt performance. If you have a valid reason, they likely will not care and just convict since this is one way to help manage traffic on their networks.

VPNs, Anonymous Proxies, and other stuff may help if you are a minor violator, but not a habitual one.

 

[bigdragon]

So this is why my ISP bill keeps going up. They have to pay to do the work the MPAA and RIAA don't want to do themselves. I, the customer, get treated like a piggy bank again.

 

[confish21]

so I can only have 349 gb of porn per month... outrageous!

 

[in_the_loop]

I wonder how this would be implemented. Depp packet inspection that is then checked against a database which contains info about pirated files (that has to be updated constantly).
That would mean immense resources would be needed and much higher costs for the isp.
Just downloading a link to a torrent file isn't a crime, so they have to really monitor for the specific files, if a torrent is active for it. And even that isn't enough! For them to know if you finnished a torrent and have the whole file, they probably would have to break into your system to check if the finished file really is there!

It probably just is a way of scaring people (not doing any surveillance) or just looking for any torrent files in the traffic and throttling that, which means legal torrenting would also be punished.

 

[MMXMonster]

256bit encryption and newsgroups... Cox can have fun trying to figure out what I am D/Ling

 

[wikiwikiwhat]

Go right ahead and do it ISPs. Who cares? Don't want me to pirate then I won't. If I did pirate, it's certainly nothing I needed at all or anything I would actually buy. Businesses actually think it's piracy that is breaking them. No, it's the World Wide Web and getting in hundreds of thousands of reviews on the products they make to help influence those that maybe thinking of purchasing products.

John Carter, for instance, available to pirate. Never even thought about it, just went to a matinee showing at the local theater and watched it. Most pirated films have no serviceable quality to them.

How about Hollywood not make 200 million dollar films. How about you focus on memorable stories. Even action films don't need all that CGI that is usually in them. Quit sticking with certain actors too. Johnny Depp and Tim Burton teamup is so freakin old now and just needs to stop.

 

[jackbling]

usenet over ssl, with an akward excuse:

Comcast: I see you are downloading a large portion of information
Me: Yeah, a friend of mine post videos of himself and other consenting males and post them on usenet for me to download.
Comcast: You have a nice day, sir.

 

[LuckyDucky7]

Didn't the FCC have a say in this and slap these punks down?
Or do their network-neutrality rules not actually work?

 

[skittle]

[citation][nom]LuckyDucky7[/nom]Didn't the FCC have a say in this and slap these punks down? Or do their network-neutrality rules not actually work?[/citation]

this is throttling specific users, not the services themselves... though i suppose its really just semantics and depends on which side of the fence your sitting :|

 

[MMXMonster]

[citation][nom]jackbling[/nom]usenet over ssl, with an akward excuse:Comcast:[/citation]

No awkward excuse needed. Already contacted for approaching "Limit Cap", although there is no documented Cap and they say there isn't a "Cap" on data. But said I may have a virus to explain the large amounts of data transferred. I blamed it on the wife's Netflix and the kids playing on XBLive.

 

[in_the_loop]

If it really is deep packet inspection then this is the same as letting a private owned post office open your letters or parcels and take a look inside, reading letters or checking if any illegal material is in the parcel.
That is really the old DDR (East Germany) way of doing things, only difference is that private companies are the bad guys (the people that worked for Stasi) and the really bad guys are the movie and music industries (the government in a regime).

 

[acerace]

Ok guys, I have a question.

Is pr0n illegal?

 

[in_the_loop]

I wonder if there is any connection between this and ACTA, now that they suddenly are going to do this?

 

[bystander]

[citation][nom]HEXiT[/nom]all you gotta do is switch to a provider that wont throttle you. 1s that do will loose customers very very quickly. and they will either have to put up prices to keep there share holders happy or go out of business....if enough stop there contracts on the first letter the isp's will have no option but to abandon it...in the uk there are plenty of small providers that give free net access at decent speeds so switching to 1 of them for a couple of months if a big company gets on your back is easy enough.also in the uk they have been discussing this kind of measure but in reality they know its unworkable as its not hard to spoof an ip or hijack an open wireless connection or a protected 1 for that matter. and theres always citizen based internet. where you buy your own wireless transceiver and set up your own connection to a private server which you then use to go on to the net.isp's in America are gonna come under some real scrutiny as they are infringing your legal right to information if they dissconect you. not only that the isp's advertise there speeds by telling you that," you can download movies faster* and entire albums in 4 seconds..*based on a 700mb movie... which is odd because a standard dvd is 4.3-4.7gig a dvd9 is 9ish gig... and the only movies i know of that come under 700MB are pirated 1s... odd aint it... they advertise there speeds by telling you how fast you can pirate stuff... in the eu/uk as far as i know they cant legally monitor internet traffic without a warrant due to the data protection act...if they do then you do have recourse in law as the police cant monitor your phone without a warrant and reasonable proof that a crime is in commision... like i say the police cant so why should bt or any other private company be allowed to? they cant monitor your phones and monitoring your internet is exactly the same or at least it should be... mandelson did try to sneak an act in the bypassed this but it has also been rejected as unworkable.[/citation]

You act like the majority of the ISP users pirate.

 

[may1]

What people fail to understand is that there's not point implementing policing in large ISPs. There are tons of smaller ISPs who do not manage (or make it a policy not to manage) customer websites in case of abuse complaints. The policy is probably aim at those ISPs, more than Verizon etc.

 

[maxinexus]

There is nothing worse that freedom govern by bs laws. But nothing to be afraid of there are plenty of ways to bypass everything. Like idiotic Comcast will stand in my way lmao

 

[Tab54o]

What a great way to get people to drop their service. I don't know what my usage is but I DL free games files and pron plus netflix so if get any lame emails about it then goodbye isp. Nothing of what I DL is illegal.

 

[carlhenry]

why hello there dial up. i hope you're not one of the ISP bad guys?

 

[maxwebb]

[citation][nom]xLockeX[/nom]How would they know if it was an illegal file? Torrents are legal and can be used to download podcast etc. legally. I have a feeling this is going to hurt legit consumers. Easy way to make people pay more for less bandwidth.If they are somehow magically able to truly tell whether something is legit or not then this is fine, but the only way I can think of would be an invasion of privacy by monitoring all you network traffic.[/citation]
this is probably the most valuable comment so far. kudos for having the intellect to think.

one slight problem though. the isp does have the right. you are being leased their property. read your service contract thoroughly.