Lebanon Considers Banning Blackberrys Too

[gm0n3y]

[citation][nom]kikireeki[/nom]what about being anti-Jews?[/citation]
Jews are also not a race, but a religion.

 

[kikireeki]

[citation][nom]irh_1974[/nom]Dont confuse my point with what is common knowledge.For a start it is not Israels fault for being Israel, look no further than the allies at the end of WW2, they made a monumental screwup that caused 65 years of strife.Secondly, since they got there they haven't been very good to the residents and it is a really screwed up place.But the initial point was that Lebanon did not defend itself from attacks, it instigated, initiated, started - attacks against Israel.If you think this is hokum and made up lies, how exactly did Israel get 7, count em, 7 other countries to attack them all at once and it be their fault too.I really want an answer to this one, this isn't arguement, it is a genuine question. Consider it research and you seem to have all the answers so far.How does Israel get attacked by 8 differant nations but it is their fault?[/citation]

So in other words: The Israelis was forced by the allies to move to Palestine and mass murder the original residents and kick them out of their homes, and they do not hold any responsibility for that!

The History events you want to be skipped are the main issue here and any ignore to these events will ruin the case altogether from the Arab side because the Palestinian refugees went to Lebanon and other neighbor countries and they wanted to fight back to free their homeland. that is their fault now right?
Imagine a lawyer saying to the court: before we start this trial I want to make sure that my client's criminal record will not be involved!

and I found your last question to be really against you. So you suggest that being the enemy of a majority makes you the good guy and makes the others the bad guys?
let me put your words in similar scenarios:
How does Taliban get attacked by United Nations but it is Taliban's fault?
How did Hitler get attacked by 8 different nations but it is his fault?
The examples are endless...

 

[gm0n3y]

[citation][nom]kikireeki[/nom]So in other words: The Israelis was forced by the allies to move to Palestine and mass murder the original residents and kick them out of their homes, and they do not hold any responsibility for that!The History events you want to be skipped are the main issue here and any ignore to these events will ruin the case altogether from the Arab side because the Palestinian refugees went to Lebanon and other neighbor countries and they wanted to fight back to free their homeland. that is their fault now right? Imagine a lawyer saying to the court: before we start this trial I want to make sure that my client's criminal record will not be involved! and I found your last question to be really against you. So you suggest that being the enemy of a majority makes you the good guy and makes the others the bad guys?let me put your words in similar scenarios:How does Taliban get attacked by United Nations but it is Taliban's fault?How did Hitler get attacked by 8 different nations but it is his fault?The examples are endless...[/citation]
I'm not necessarily defending Israel here, but you do realize that the 'Jewish' people were kicked out of that area originally by the Muslims.

 

[kerbe360]

[citation][nom]mbbs20[/nom]take it easy... no need for racial remarks over every little tidbit of news[/citation]

Muslims are not a race of people... its what you call people who believe in Islam. Muslims are as much a race as Christians.

 

[kikireeki]

[citation][nom]gm0n3y[/nom]I'm not necessarily defending Israel here, but you do realize that the 'Jewish' people were kicked out of that area originally by the Muslims.[/citation]

No they were not, Where did you get that from?
The Israelis (the lineage of prophet Jacob) were Persecuted throughout history by various systems and nations (eg Pharaohs, Babylonians, Nazis) but not by Muslims. yes in one incident they were kicked out of Al-Madinah (which they refuged to in the first place and had a dignified life for generations) after they broke the treaty with the Arab Muslims (the native people).

 

[gm0n3y]

[citation][nom]kikireeki[/nom]No they were not, Where did you get that from?The Israelis (the lineage of prophet Jacob) were Persecuted throughout history by various systems and nations (eg Pharaohs, Babylonians, Nazis) but not by Muslims. yes in one incident they were kicked out of Al-Madinah (which they refuged to in the first place and had a dignified life for generations) after they broke the treaty with the Arab Muslims (the native people).[/citation]
Sorry, you are correct, I should have said they were kicked out by "people that are now Muslims that were, at the time, a different religion".

 

[kikireeki]

[citation][nom]gm0n3y[/nom]Sorry, you are correct, I should have said they were kicked out by "people that are now Muslims that were, at the time, a different religion".[/citation]
If that was a sarcasm then you obviously have the DNA code of humanity. If you are serious then you've got it all wrong. The Pharaohs and Babylonians have never been Muslims and never became, because they were deceased thousands of years before, and I will leave the Nazis for you to decide.

 

[irh_1974]

[citation][nom]kikireeki[/nom]If that was a sarcasm then you obviously have the DNA code of humanity. If you are serious then you've got it all wrong. The Pharaohs and Babylonians have never been Muslims and never became, because they were deceased thousands of years before, and I will leave the Nazis for you to decide.[/citation]
You knew exactly what he meant and now you are arguing for the sake of it. What he meant was that Jews lived in the place that is now Israel thousands of years ago, the Romans were pretty good at keeping records and tended to write a lot of this stuff down, or if you prefer to believe religeous texts do you read the Bible much? Or does the Koran forbid it? They returned to the place that is now Israel but people were there already.

By the way, comparing a Jewish state to the Nazis, in more than 1 post, is very bad taste.

 

[gm0n3y]

[citation][nom]kikireeki[/nom]If that was a sarcasm then you obviously have the DNA code of humanity. If you are serious then you've got it all wrong. The Pharaohs and Babylonians have never been Muslims and never became, because they were deceased thousands of years before, and I will leave the Nazis for you to decide.[/citation]
I'm not trying to argue here, but I'm pretty sure that the people that live in Egypt today are descended from the people that lived there thousands of years ago. This discussion is old and pretty much pointless and relates in no way to the article. I'm surprised that the Tom's mods have let it go this far. Lets just agree that the Middle East is messed up and regardless of how it happened there is no acceptable easy solution. Arguing over who to point fingers at solves nothing and in fact is a lot of the reason behind the current problems.

 

[swell9]

[citation][nom]Zingam[/nom]Because religion is so important part of society. Just as important it used to be in Europe in the Middle Ages. The Priest of the village is de facto the most important political, cultural etc figure in that community. Nothing happens without his approval.[/citation]

If you still think that this happens, then you need to go out every once in a while.

 

[cj_online]

[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]Because the US economy would collapse in two months without Saudi oil. That's why the US is pretending Saudis are allies even with their appalling human rights record and the fact that 18 out of 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudis.[/citation]
Who were hired by none other than the US govt itself... but.. let's not go there....

 

[cj_online]

[citation][nom]irh_1974[/nom]OK, let's keep religeon out of it, it not fair that being muslim, jewish or christian should determine a nations identity.So.Now we have put that behind us, why does Lebanon keep attacking Israel? Why has it done nothing to prevent dedicated terrorist elements operating in it's borders? Obviously can't be anything to do with Israel being a Jewish state because religeon has nothing to do with it - right?[/citation]

Ignorance is bliss I suppose....