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A colleague of mine has a Matrix UKPower 1300 MOSFET amplifier which is
behaving a little strangely. We can't find any information about Matrix on
the web and the manual has been lost so can't find any contact information.

So I was wondering whether anyone here might be able to help with contact
information for the manufacturer so that we could obtain a little more
circuit information?

Cheers.

James.
 
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James Perrett wrote:

> A colleague of mine has a Matrix UKPower 1300 MOSFET amplifier which is
> behaving a little strangely. We can't find any information about Matrix on
> the web and the manual has been lost so can't find any contact information.
>
> So I was wondering whether anyone here might be able to help with contact
> information for the manufacturer so that we could obtain a little more
> circuit information?

The company has folded.

Their circuits are the basic classic lateral mosfet design AFAIK. Nothing
fancy. Any competent tech should be able to find their way round them.

Graham
 
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Pooh Bear wrote:
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> James Perrett wrote:
>
>
>>A colleague of mine has a Matrix UKPower 1300 MOSFET amplifier which is
>>behaving a little strangely. We can't find any information about Matrix on
>>the web and the manual has been lost so can't find any contact information.
>>
>>So I was wondering whether anyone here might be able to help with contact
>>information for the manufacturer so that we could obtain a little more
>>circuit information?
>
>
> The company has folded.
>
> Their circuits are the basic classic lateral mosfet design AFAIK. Nothing
> fancy. Any competent tech should be able to find their way round them.
>
> Graham
>

Care to be more specific about the problem, They were/are pretty
reliable amps with one or two little niggles.

Ron(UK) ex Matrix dealer

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"Ron(UK)"
> Pooh Bear wrote:
>> James Perrett wrote:
>>
>>>A colleague of mine has a Matrix UKPower 1300 MOSFET amplifier which is
>>>behaving a little strangely. We can't find any information about Matrix
>>>on
>>>the web and the manual has been lost so can't find any contact
>>>information.
>>>
>>>So I was wondering whether anyone here might be able to help with contact
>>>information for the manufacturer so that we could obtain a little more
>>>circuit information?
>>
>>
>> The company has folded.
>>
>> Their circuits are the basic classic lateral mosfet design AFAIK. Nothing
>> fancy. Any competent tech should be able to find their way round them.
>>
>
>
> Care to be more specific about the problem, They were/are pretty reliable
> amps with one or two little niggles.
>


** Wanna bet the "problem" is distorted (weird clipped) waveform, at high
levels, under 8 or maybe only 4 ohm load.

Throws most techs the first time they see an amp do that.




........... Phil
 
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Phil Allison wrote:

> "Ron(UK)"
> > Pooh Bear wrote:
> >> James Perrett wrote:
> >>
> >>>A colleague of mine has a Matrix UKPower 1300 MOSFET amplifier which is
> >>>behaving a little strangely. We can't find any information about Matrix
> >>>on
> >>>the web and the manual has been lost so can't find any contact
> >>>information.
> >>>
> >>>So I was wondering whether anyone here might be able to help with contact
> >>>information for the manufacturer so that we could obtain a little more
> >>>circuit information?
> >>
> >>
> >> The company has folded.
> >>
> >> Their circuits are the basic classic lateral mosfet design AFAIK. Nothing
> >> fancy. Any competent tech should be able to find their way round them.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Care to be more specific about the problem, They were/are pretty reliable
> > amps with one or two little niggles.
> >
>
> ** Wanna bet the "problem" is distorted (weird clipped) waveform, at high
> levels, under 8 or maybe only 4 ohm load.
>
> Throws most techs the first time they see an amp do that.

You mean when 'some' of the devices fail o/c ? Assymetric clipping results.
C-Audio amps do that too. Same problem in both cases AFAIK - namely inadequate
heatsinking that results in roasted devices.

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"Pooh Bear"
> Phil Allison wrote:
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>> ** Wanna bet the "problem" is distorted (weird clipped) waveform, at
>> high
>> levels, under 8 or maybe only 4 ohm load.
>>
>> Throws most techs the first time they see an amp do that.
>
>
> You mean when 'some' of the devices fail o/c ? Assymetric clipping
> results.


** Yes - devices with blown chips and where the drain bonding wire has
fused.


> C-Audio amps do that too.


** It is the standard failure mode for Hitachi lateral mosfets in TO3 pack.

The flat earthers just go hard short !!!


> Same problem in both cases AFAIK - namely inadequate
> heatsinking that results in roasted devices.


** IME, it is virtually impossible to "roast" a Hitachi lateral mosfet.

Overtemp just makes the devices lose gain , throttle back and sit there all
hot and bothered and SULK !

To ah heck the chip takes a masive, sudden burst of dissipation, as when the
output is shorted and no fuse blows.



............ Phil
 
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"James Perrett"
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> Thanks for all the replies. Parts of the amp were getting hot when feeding
> a low impedance load with no input signal. When looking at the output on a
> 'scope, with a sinewave input the output would appear asymmetric up to a
> certain level and then go back to being symmetric when the level was
> pushed up further. My colleague has delved a little further and thinks
> that one or more of the output devices are faulty.


** Probably not.

Those symptoms are a sure sign of high frequency oscillation - possibly at
up to 10 - 15 MHz. Causes include damaged capacitors or resistors in the
output Zobel network, bias set too low or faulty earth connections.


> This amp was being used in a Sonar system rather than a standard audio
> system and it was driving a transformer so maybe it wasn't too happy with
> that - although it has worked OK in the past.


** I have seen what using a mosfet audio amp for SONAR transducer testing
does - it damages the amp.

The Australian Navy bought a couple of German made "Hertz" mosfet amps for
that purpose and were experts at buggering them - either by pouring in 100
kHz sine waves from a signal generator or by shorting the output to the
input signal ground by using a *jack socket* patch bay for BOTH inputs and
outputs!

Use with an output transformer is asking for trouble too - all
transformers magnetically saturate at some combination of voltage and
(low ) frequency. This will blow rail fuses and can easily kill mosfets
too.



.......... Phil
 
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 00:54:18 +1000, Phil Allison <philallison@tpg.com.au>
wrote:

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> "James Perrett"
>>
>> Thanks for all the replies. Parts of the amp were getting hot when
>> feeding
>> a low impedance load with no input signal. When looking at the output
>> on a
>> 'scope, with a sinewave input the output would appear asymmetric up to a
>> certain level and then go back to being symmetric when the level was
>> pushed up further. My colleague has delved a little further and thinks
>> that one or more of the output devices are faulty.
>
>
> ** Probably not.
>
> Those symptoms are a sure sign of high frequency oscillation - possibly
> at
> up to 10 - 15 MHz. Causes include damaged capacitors or resistors in the
> output Zobel network, bias set too low or faulty earth connections.
>
>
>> This amp was being used in a Sonar system rather than a standard audio
>> system and it was driving a transformer so maybe it wasn't too happy
>> with
>> that - although it has worked OK in the past.
>
>
> ** I have seen what using a mosfet audio amp for SONAR transducer
> testing
> does - it damages the amp.
>
> The Australian Navy bought a couple of German made "Hertz" mosfet amps
> for
> that purpose and were experts at buggering them - either by pouring in
> 100
> kHz sine waves from a signal generator or by shorting the output to the
> input signal ground by using a *jack socket* patch bay for BOTH inputs
> and
> outputs!
>
> Use with an output transformer is asking for trouble too - all
> transformers magnetically saturate at some combination of voltage and
> (low ) frequency. This will blow rail fuses and can easily kill mosfets
> too.
>
>
>
> ......... Phil
>
>

Do you have any recommendations about what we could replace it with that
would be more reliable? We need at least 1000 watts at a frequency of
around 4.5kHz.

Cheers.

James.
 
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"James Perrett"
Phil Allison

>
> Do you have any recommendations about what we could replace it with that
> would be more reliable?


** No regular audio amp - that is for sure.

You need an industrial power amp - like Crown used to make - with built in
protection against every imaginable abuse.




............ Phil
 
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James Perrett <James.Perrett@noc.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
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>Do you have any recommendations about what we could replace it with that
>would be more reliable? We need at least 1000 watts at a frequency of
>around 4.5kHz.

Amplifiers, Inc. actually make power amps intended for sonar applications
that are next to impossible to kill.

But I'd try a Crown Macro-Tech if you want something you can get at the
corner pro audio store.
--scott
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On 17 Aug 2005 19:29:26 -0400, Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

> James Perrett <James.Perrett@noc.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Do you have any recommendations about what we could replace it with that
>> would be more reliable? We need at least 1000 watts at a frequency of
>> around 4.5kHz.
>
> Amplifiers, Inc. actually make power amps intended for sonar applications
> that are next to impossible to kill.
>
> But I'd try a Crown Macro-Tech if you want something you can get at the
> corner pro audio store.
> --scott


Thanks Scott - I was thinking of recommending those Crown amps - I saw a
demo where they had two metal bars connected to the output of one and they
left a screwdriver across the bars for the duration of the show. There
were sparks whenever they moved the screwdriver but the amp was still fine.

Cheers.

James.