Microsoft Pushing WA State to Legalize Gay Marriage

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[citation][nom]PCgamer81[/nom]This is ridiculous.Where the hell have Microsoft been the last 20 years when the gays were being beaten and strung up?Now, they come out in support of gay marriage, but only because it is good for their business to do so.No thanks, Microsoft. Your support isn't needed. Go to hell.[/citation]
Actually, Microsoft has been very supportive in the past (this is not the first time they have been in support of LGBT rights). See here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_and_Lesbian_Employees_at_Microsoft

A few excerpts:
1989 Anti-discrimination policies
1993 insurance and other benefits to same-sex domestic partners
100% on HRC's Corporate Equality Index
 
[citation][nom]shat[/nom]Let the government only acknowledges civil unions. then let the churches acknowledge marriage.[/citation]

If that means progressive denominations are allowed to marry gay couples and atheists can get married before the church of the flying spaghetti monster then I see nothing wrong with this.
 
[citation][nom]alcalde[/nom]You also reveal your inner ugliness in the last sentence of your post... that's all opposition to gay marriage ever is. There's simply no ability to rationally defend it. [/citation]

Because it's the truth, sorry you can't accept that. Beyond that it's like you're saying the sky is green because it looks better that way. Now go ahead and be the keyboard intellectual you are and cut and past a few more Wikipedia articles. Play with numbers even more. Make your arguments by setting the rules and "facts" yourself. Do whatever you can to get in the last word as you know you will, in the end the only person you're really preaching to is yourself.
 
[citation][nom]soldier37[/nom]Another reason I'm glad I live in the South. Will never see that crap here! Keep it out on the left coast.[/citation]

No, you just have people still hiding in closets and unable to be true to themselves. Add to that a lack of education and social understanding and you have a pretty depressed state.
 
[citation][nom]groveborn[/nom]Should gays be allowed to marry? What is marriage besides a contract. Gays seem to be able to make other contracts. The real question then, is why are they not permitted this contract? The "bible" says homosexuality is wrong. Sure it does. The only problem is that it also says that one should be able to sell one's daughter. Not only their daughter, but their daughter's virginity. It is no sin, biblically, to have sex with children. Indeed, 13 is the proper age for marriage (and thus child rearing).So people are concerned about a couple of dudes sticking parts of themselves into other dudes (who really cares when women like women?), but not the implication that children are appropriate for bedtime fun?How about some priorities. Let the dudes love each other. It can't hurt you (or me, or anyone else of significance).[/citation]

Yes, the virgin Mary was supposedly about 13 years old. Fact is, gay marriage would teach us to be less ethnocentric and to love people of other races too. Diversity is a good thing. It teaches us to see people for who they are, and not for how they look or the car they drive, or for their gender. This really is gender discrimination. Discrimination against someone for who they associate with - based on gender.
 
This debate won't go on for more than a decade. The US is becoming more liberal. Most developed nations around the world already accept homosexuality. There's nothing wrong with it. Rome has come and gone, but humans are STILL HERE. If we accept gays and lesbians into our society, it won't be the end of the world. Stupid religious superstition has no place in politics.
 
[citation][nom]n3ard3ath[/nom]If you read the bible carefully, you will realize that God forbid idol worshipping in any form, and despite men "traditions". Faith and organized religions are two completely different things.[/citation]

I was forced (yes forced) to study the Bible growing up. Why would I continue to pollute my mind? There's scientific to learn that may lead to real answers. It's hard enough to decipher reality, I leave fairy tales to those who are lost in ancient superstition.
 
[citation][nom]georgieboy79[/nom]It's funny. These religious objectors say gay people have a problem yet they talk to an invisible friend, nail sculptures of a dying man to their walls or wear them around their neck but no one sees fit to assess their mental stability?I have no problem with people worshiping whatever absentee 'creator' they want. They should, however, remember that modern western civilization was built on a secular basis for good reason - zealots are dangerous - so their beliefs should have no part in the policy and law-making of a country like the USA.[/citation]

My favorite is when religious nutjobs/zealots try to say that homosexuality is "unnatural". If it isn't natural, why do people do it? We're just a part of nature too.
 
[citation][nom]ravewulf[/nom]Actually, Microsoft has been very supportive in the past (this is not the first time they have been in support of LGBT rights). See here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_a [...] _MicrosoftA few excerpts:1989 Anti-discrimination policies1993 insurance and other benefits to same-sex domestic partners100% on HRC's Corporate Equality Index[/citation]

The government is still discriminating against homosexuals, but doing it when it comes to hiring is unlawful.
 
[citation][nom]bak0n[/nom]Would legalizing gay marriage not be discriminating against all those who believe it is between a man and women only and causing them to leave your state?Can't please everyone no matter how hard you try.[/citation]

Belief based on religion and a lack of understanding is not the same as wanting to be treated equally. I don't think you should confuse the two.
 
[citation][nom]JonnyDough[/nom]The government is still discriminating against homosexuals, but doing it when it comes to hiring is unlawful.[/citation]

There are several states where it is still perfectly legal to fire someone for being gay. I'm sure you could guess most of them.
 
[citation][nom]PCgamer81[/nom]This is ridiculous.Where the hell have Microsoft been the last 20 years when the gays were being beaten and strung up?Now, they come out in support of gay marriage, but only because it is good for their business to do so.No thanks, Microsoft. Your support isn't needed. Go to hell.[/citation]
The same place they are now. This is not a new push from MS, they have actively been supporting equal rights for over 20 years. try doing a simple search before you blurt out your hate.
 
I give Microsoft credit for taking a stance on the subject you don't have to agree with them on it, but at least respect they take a view on the matter.

Wasn't support of Gay marriage patented by Apple? Actually no. Opening up marriage to all humans regardless of gender preference is an open standard. Cool that Microsoft is making itself known as a company that pushes for equality and freedom of choice.

 
Who cares if you're gay or not. If you want to be together then be together. You don't need a paper saying that you're together. That just adds more legal things into the matter that you're just gonna give money to. Come on people.
 
[citation][nom]fracture[/nom]Who cares if you're gay or not. If you want to be together then be together. You don't need a paper saying that you're together. That just adds more legal things into the matter that you're just gonna give money to. Come on people.[/citation]

I'm afraid you haven't thought this through very well. Society provides many benefits to married couples that those without that paper lack. If one is in critical condition in the hospital, only family will be allowed to see them. Without that paper, you're not considered "family" (MANY cases of this happening and partners not even being able to say goodbye to their loved ones before they died). If a married person is again in critical condition and a decision has to be made about life support, that decision automatically defaults to the spouse. Without that "piece of paper", it could be Great Aunt Ida making the call instead. If a spouse dies without a will, all property defaults to the surviving spouse except under certain circumstances. With an unmarried gay couple, it defaults to the closest living relative. I know of one case with two gay men in their early thirties... one had a business and a very good income and was the sole earner. He died tragically in a car accident so there was no will. The court declared that his aunt and cousin were the closest relatives and thus sole inheritors. These two were very anti-gay and hadn't even spoken with him in many years. They not only took all of their relatives' property, but much that was joint property and some that was actually the surviving partner's. Since the house was in the name of the dead man, they gave his partner 10 days to leave... so he'd just lost his life partner and now was getting evicted with no income. This could never have happened to a married couple.

Money is another MAJOR factor. Let's say a wife decides to buy her husband a new car for Christmas. Nice! She pays for it, puts the title in his name, and that's the end of it because the IRS recognizes the marriage. If gay partner A wants to buy partner B a car for Christmas, watch what happens: the IRS considers these people as having no relationship whatsoever. When A buys the car for B and puts it in their name, it is now considered a gift that B is going to have to pay tax on!

Another scenario: husband and wife get married. Husband owned a home and now adds wife's name to deed. No problem. If the scenario involves a non-married gay couple, putting the other person's name on the deed again counts as income transfer and they're going to owe a nice chunk of change to the IRS, the same as if a stranger had given them half-ownership in a home. That's partly what led to the fellow in the earlier example being evicted from the home.

It's even worse if the house is in the name of A but B is the principal earner. Now B is paying the mortgage but can't deduct the mortgage interest because the mortgage isn't in their name. A can't get the mortgage interest credit because they're not the one paying the bill, so they lose out big time.

Tax time becomes a nightmare for a lot of other reasons, if the couple lives in a state where they ARE legally married because they may need to file as married to their state, then draw up another set of tax documents as if they had filed separately because the IRS won't recognize their state tax filing, and use those documents to base the federal taxes on... but the state may not like the filing as single for the federal, so more things need to be drawn up, etc. I've read that in some instances legally married gay couples have needed to draw up four different sets of tax forms!

There are lots of other benefits society bestows on married couples: courts can't compel someone to testify against their spouse, child custody issues, etc. One lesbian couple got married in Massachusetts and then after moving out of the state eventually wanted to file for divorce. The judge told them that since this state didn't recognize their marriage (courtesy of DOMA, which violates the clause in the constitution where states are supposed to recognize each others' licenses to avoid this kind of nonsense and why you don't need 50 driver's licenses to travel around the country) he couldn't grant them a divorce. To be considered a resident of Massachusetts you have to live there for a year. That means to get a divorce the parties would need to quit their jobs and move back to MA, hoping they could find another, and stay there for a year just to get a non-contested divorce!

I know there's a lot of other benefits I'm not listing, but these are just some I know of off the top of my head and some of the real-life cases I know of (I didn't have the heart to give real-life examples of those who weren't able to be with their spouse (or parent, in the case where one woman of a lesbian couple gives birth via sperm donor and the other partner is not recognized by the state as a legal parent), but they're real and heart-wrenching. Even in my state, where civil unions are legal, people in these situations have had to go home, get their c.u. papers, and are then told "We don't know what that is, but even if we did, it's not a marriage certificate, and we only let family or spouses in to see the patient and you're neither. One woman told me about having to worry about whether she would even be able to pick up the cremated remains of her partner of 30 years, but fortunately the funeral service people were understanding and didn't trouble her about that - but that's yet another burden when society refuses to recognize your relationship and it could've played out differently.

Whoops - forgot HEALTH INSURANCE. Again, in my state with civil unions, UPS said that civil unions weren't marriages so they wouldn't put the partner on the company health plan. The unbelievable thing was there were only - I forget, 7 or 14 - employees in the whole state at that time who has asked for their partner to be included. The governor had to personally intervene and talk with one of the higher-ups at UPS to get them to change their policy. He couldn't talk to every company, though, and in places with no marriage or civil unions, people are just out of luck and can't get the benefits they would otherwise be entitled to. And then of course there's social security.... I guess I really could go on and on....

So, for all of these reasons and many more, a marriage license isn't just a piece of paper you have to give money to and should just forget about. It has major implications in terms of both rights and financial matters, all the more so if children eventually become involved. It also, like sitting in the front of the bus, acknowledges you're as much a citizen as anybody else and your relationship and your love is just as real.
 
"Well, I lived in Dallas for 16 years and I got news for you ol' boy... there are plenty of gays and lesbians in Texas. Some of my best friends where gay and we still go to the Fort Worth Stockyards to enjoy a rodeo or shoot some stick whenever I happen to visit Big D."

This isn't news to me as there are numerous gays/lesbians in a particular dept at my job in Dallas with whom I get along well with and don't have a problem with... I am saying I'm glad I live in TX so that this marriage bs will hopefully never pass. I have never been to a rodeo. You and the gays enjoy it? I'm happy for ya.
 
[citation][nom]sfpeter23[/nom]Microsoft shouldn't take a stance, it's a corporation, not a political action group. This is only about political correctness and appearances.[/citation]

You're missing the point. They're not either for or against gay people/gay marriage. It's not their job to judge that (actually it's not anyone's job), their job is to make IT products. What Microsoft is saying is correct in a practical sense. What they're saying is pretty much this: "We are a big corporation. We do business and need competent people to do so. Being gay or not doesn't matter at the end of the day if the work is done. The fact that some members of the government still live in the middle ages is bad for business". Microsoft is not taking sides.
 
News sites are reporting that Washington state has acquired the last vote they should need to pass the marriage equality bill! This Linux user thanks Microsoft!
 
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