MPAA: Congress Should Encourage 3 Strikes

[demonhorde665]

last thing i have to say


the biggest problem with the current piracy fighting model is they target the "user" not the "dealers"

these companies are making the "addicts" pay for teh crimes of teh The "Dealer"

even in drug laws the user is given a much mess severe sentence than teh pusher/dealer is

same case when dealing with illegal fire arms
a person purchasing an illegal gun (fuly auto) is charged less then persay when the cops bust some one selling the illeagal arms

in the case of piracy though every thign thrown upside down ..

1. they don't even really try to find "the dealers"

2. they overfine the user to make up for point 1


what i think shoudl ahppeneto this model of piracy waring is


1. require that all torents register and obtain alicense to rumn a torrent or peer to peer service ,

2. require those licensed toreent guys to filther and delete illeagal entries on thier torrent

3. raise the punishment for those caught distributing illegal digital goods

4. lower the punishmnet for those that are busted downloading said goods



this would avhe teh affect of pelasing the general masses , while at teh same time putting the "dealers" in fear of being busted because right now teh "dealers" are laughing their asses off at teh expense of the companies and the people that download thier illegal goods

 

[descendency]

Why is scanning outgoing internet information that may contain private data called "net neutrality" but doing the same to phone conversations called "illegal wire-taping"? Or when you share movies and music with friends it's called "piracy"? Why does one get an innocent name and the others get turned into evil practices?

Clearly, the nation needs a real conversation/debate on what protecting intellectual properties and privacy really means to them and those actions should be carried out. If this means that movies can no longer be made, so be it.

 

[azxcvbnm321]

Rockyjohn, from what I know of the case, the music companies offered to settle for a far smaller amount, like a few thousand. The mother refused and thought she wasn't responsible for what her kids did. But parents are responsible, regardless if they knew about it or not. Could be a different case you're talking about, but there's a reason why punishments have to be harsh. People will make a decision whether it is worth the risk to steal or not steal. If it is easy to steal, then the punishment has to be very severe to keep the person from stealing, I'm talking about a person with no morals or who doesn't view stealing as wrong.


We ARE having a real conversation, but the pro-pirating side is incapable of coming up with any sort of logical argument as to why they should be allowed to steal. Blaming the music companies is not a valid argument, what they do is a separate issue. That's why blaming the girl for looking slutty or for past slutty behavior doesn't work as a defense for rape. It's about what YOU did and if what YOU are doing is right. Only case it matters is if you are provoked or attacked and have to defend yourself. Obviously stealing is not any form of self defense. So we've already had this debate and since pirates can't justify their behavior, now the only question is what should be done to stop pirating.


So destroy a multi-billion dollar industry that employs tens of thousands in favor of pirating which employs zero? Wow, you pirates sure have some gall, funny too how desperate you are to steal. Net neutrality has nothing to do with scanning information, it just says no data packet can be given priority over another. You can share music and movies all you want as long as you don't keep a copy for yourself. Give the music to your friend and delete it from your computer and all devices. There, you're sharing. Don't delete though and you're pirating.

 

[mook33]

honestly, in the end, this is going to work (throttling). they have too much to lose and too much push/influence. I think it's going to happen, it's just a matter of time until all ISPs are pressured into "conforming".

 

[necronic]

The difficulty of figuring out exactly who is doing what, as well as the excessive punishment bothers me, but I do agree that something needs to be done about piracy. For the life of me I don't understand why people think its ok. Ok, song prices are too high, I get it, don't buy the songs. Ok, movies suck, why are you watching them.

The worst one, that this doesn't adress sadly, is the piracy of games. It is incredibly detrimental to the community in a way no other form has been (see Demigod as a good example.) I would like to see someone just adress piracy in a broad term, as opposed to groups specifically designing legislation for one media form or another.

 

[azxcvbnm321]

What can be broader than three strikes and ISP monitoring? I assume that software will be added as part of the three strikes.

Necronic, you make arguments that pirates have no answer for. The youth today are spoiled and haven't been taught very well by their parents. At home they scream, "I want it!" and their parents get it for them, so they think it's their right to have stuff they want. That's the mentality I see here. When stuff costs more than they are willing to pay, they get angry because they want it, but it is being denied to them! And so they justify their theft by blaming the sellers, there is no consideration for anything other than the "I want it now" mentality, no consideration for the rights of the seller or anyone else but them. That's why in a real debate, they get smoked, notice the lack of responses after their arguments got hammered. They call for discussion and a debate, but when it comes, they run for the hills because they can't come up with a logical justification for piracy.

At least the pirates of old didn't try to pretend what they were doing was right. They stole because they could, and it wasn't for some BS high minded reason, piracy was brutal and pirates made no excuses for killing those who resisted.

Why don't you pirates just admit you steal because you can? That no one stops you so you take what's not yours because you have no morals, no sense of justice, and no respect for anyone else but you. At least that would be honest and a start, don't play these BS games that you are somehow being wronged when you are the ones doing the wrong. These drastic actions suck for honest ordinary people, but it is criminals like you that make it necessary for society to impose these laws that no one likes, but we agree they are necessary.

 

[factoryfast]

@Ravewulf

I wonder if you read this news article in its entirety. You do realize that the MPAA is trying to include its 3-strike and filtering policy in the very bill (Net-Neutrality) purporting to protect internet users from this exact kind of abuse, right? And yet somehow you are trying to tell me that HR 3458 is going to be a victory for consumers. I suppose you are championing the technical definition of net neutrality and not the bill being pushed in Washington. Unfortunately, legislation carrying the name "Internet Freedom" will surely accomplish anything but this stated intention.

 

[kingnoobe]

This is not how police do work! Police have to follow certain laws. They maybe able to get the phone numbers you have called without a warrant as this is more determined by the phone company, but they can not tap your phone for no reason *excluding the fbi and the unpatriotic act*.

Now this may give them more cause to get a warrant to tap your phone, but none the less they have to have a warrant. The MPAA wants to be able to monitor anything you're downloading period. They don't want to simply see were you're gonna, but they want all the info. So yes they are invading my privacy. How do I know their only looking at the stuff I'm doing illegally, and not everything I do. Privacy is privacy we live in America soldiers have fought and died for our rights, and the MPAA wants to shit all over them.

And yes I am an American soldier, and I say fuck the MPAA they go to freaking china/north korea if they want to control everything.

 

[azxcvbnm321]

If there were just as much anger against the pirates, then maybe we wouldn't need to enforce through law. It's legal for cops to scope out and check every person who enters a certain building or business that is known as a place for criminal behavior. We all know 95%+ of the content being transported over P2P networks is illegal pirating. There is very little need for P2P for most people other that to pirate. You have pics you want to share, just e-mail to your friend or put them up on a sharing site. No need to P2P files for the vast majority, unless it's copyrighted stuff that you can't e-mail or host online.

ISPs already have all your info, that's how they can trace online crime to the real world. People who make threats on facebook or terrorists who recruit online, they can be traced. So what this will do is have the same software filter out illegal files, and report you to the authorities which will issue two warnings before you are banned.

But the ban will be hard to enforce, people could still get others to sign them up, I guess a huge lawsuit and fine will do the job of punishment too.