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I'm a bit confused about MMC-1, MMC-2, micro-PGA, micro-FCPGA etc.

I have a Thinkpad T20 (PIII 750) and a Thinkpad 600X (PIII 500).
I know the T20 can support up to 1GHz 100FSB, and I've heard the 600X
can go a fir bit higher than 500MHz (not sure about the cooling system
though).

BUT - could I - for example - up the T20 to 1GHz and hand-me-down the
T20's 750 to the 600X ?

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Martin Slaney wrote:
>
> BUT - could I - for example - up the T20 to 1GHz and hand-me-down the
> T20's 750 to the 600X ?

No Martin, different form factors, the 600X requires an MMC2 module and you
can't upgrade the processors in them.

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James

 

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JHEM wrote:

> Martin Slaney wrote:
>
>>BUT - could I - for example - up the T20 to 1GHz and hand-me-down the
>>T20's 750 to the 600X ?
>
>
> No Martin, different form factors, the 600X requires an MMC2 module and you
> can't upgrade the processors in them.

Do you mean you can't upgrade the _CPU_ on a MMC2 module, or do you mean
you can't upgrade a 600X with a later MMC2 module ? <g>.

What sub-flavour of CPU is the T20 ? micro-PGA or micro-FCPGA ?

TIA

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Martin Slaney wrote:
>
> Do you mean you can't upgrade the _CPU_ on a MMC2 module, or do you
> mean you can't upgrade a 600X with a later MMC2 module ? <g>.

The former, you can't swap the CPU on an MMC2 module. You _can_ swap MMC2
modules in the 600X, but I've never had long term good luck with upgrading
the non-speedstep 600Xs. My personal 600X is upgraded to a PIII 850MHz MMC2
and I've got several PIII 800MHz ones also.

Another denizen here in the NG (and a good friend but lousy pilot) is TJ,
AKA Capt. "Wild" Bill Kelso, USAAC. TJ reports that he's had success with
upgrading even the PIII 450MHz 600Xs, so apparently there have been some
successes with the non-speedstep systems.

> What sub-flavour of CPU is the T20 ? micro-PGA or micro-FCPGA ?

micro-FCPGA IIRC.

Regards,

James

 

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JHEM wrote:
> Martin Slaney wrote:
>
>>Do you mean you can't upgrade the _CPU_ on a MMC2 module, or do you
>>mean you can't upgrade a 600X with a later MMC2 module ? <g>.
>
>
> You _can_ swap MMC2
> modules in the 600X,

This is what I was led to believe ...

> but I've never had long term good luck with upgrading
> the non-speedstep 600Xs.

This is what I would have _thought_ ...

> My personal 600X is upgraded to a PIII 850MHz MMC2

From what though ? Presumably something later than a 500 ... Am I right
in thinking that the 500 is pre-speedstep ? My (reasonably educated)
guesswork tells me that putting a speedstep module in a
non-speedstep-aware machine/BIOS/VRM would :-

1) _Work_ ... but ...
2) Possibly result in a BIOS error message at power-on
3) Make the speedstep module run at its lower speed, probably negating
the advantage you're trying to achieve <g>.

> Another denizen here in the NG (and a good friend but lousy pilot) is TJ,
> AKA Capt. "Wild" Bill Kelso, USAAC. TJ reports that he's had success with
> upgrading even the PIII 450MHz 600Xs, so apparently there have been some
> successes with the non-speedstep systems.

Yeah - I think I heard from him fairly recently about this ... he didn't
mention if there was any BIOS code or other hacking involved ...



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Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC wrote:


> The two models I have are a 4AU, and a 4EU, both running XPHome.
>
>
>>1) _Work_ ... but ...
>>2) Possibly result in a BIOS error message at power-on
>>3) Make the speedstep module run at its lower speed, probably negating
>>the advantage you're trying to achieve <g>.
>
>
> With no BIOS issues other than flashing to the latest for the -X they both run
> fine, at 800mhz
>
>
>>>Another denizen here in the NG (and a good friend but lousy pilot) is TJ,
>>>AKA Capt. "Wild" Bill Kelso, USAAC. TJ reports that he's had success with
>>>upgrading even the PIII 450MHz 600Xs, so apparently there have been some
>>>successes with the non-speedstep systems.
>>
>>Yeah - I think I heard from him fairly recently about this ... he didn't
>>mention if there was any BIOS code or other hacking involved ...
>
>
> no, no hacking involved.. i'm not that good Just flashed to latest bios,
> dropped in the 800 and ran with it.

OK - thanks ... to you and to JHEM ...

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Martin Slaney wrote:
>>
>> no, no hacking involved.. i'm not that good Just flashed to
>> latest bios, dropped in the 800 and ran with it.
>
> OK - thanks ... to you and to JHEM ...

I think that TJ has forgotten to mention that you have to install the Intel
Speedstep utility IIRC.

Regards,

James

 

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JHEM wrote:
>
> Martin Slaney wrote:
> >>
> >> no, no hacking involved.. i'm not that good Just flashed to
> >> latest bios, dropped in the 800 and ran with it.
> >
> > OK - thanks ... to you and to JHEM ...
>
> I think that TJ has forgotten to mention that you have to install the Intel
> Speedstep utility IIRC.
>
> Regards,
>
> James

Oops, yes, I did forget to mention that.. my bad...


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Is it possible to stick a Pentium 3 Mobile 1GHz at 133MHz into a T20
and have it run at 100MHz, or do I need to find one that is rated at
100? Is the 1GHz limit inherent to the ThinkPad, or just that there
were no CPUs at 100MHz FSB that went higher than this?

Many thanks in advance!

 

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Junosix <junosix@hotmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote:
> Is it possible to stick a Pentium 3 Mobile 1GHz at 133MHz into a T20
> and have it run at 100MHz, or do I need to find one that is rated at
> 100? Is the 1GHz limit inherent to the ThinkPad, or just that there
> were no CPUs at 100MHz FSB that went higher than this?

I think you're right, there were no P3's over 1GHz that didn't use a
133MHz FSB. However, P3-based Celerons went all the way up to 1.3 or
1.4GHz using 100MHz FSB. The Celerons at that speed are Tualatin core --
Intel bumped up the P3 to 512k cache, and the Celerons to 256k cache.
So a Celeron at those speeds is still a pretty good performer. They
might be hard to find, though. And it is possible that a Tualatin-
core chip might not work in your laptop. There are some compatability
issues, although those issues might not be present with a Celeron.
I know for a fact that some P3 Tualatins will not work in certain
motherboards, but there are socket adapters available. It's still
the S370 packaging, so I don't know what the deal is. Maybe voltage
requirements are different.

And putting a 133FSB 1GHz CPU into a 100FSB laptop should work, but at
a reduced speed. The multiplier is locked on P3's, so you'd be
looking at 1000 / 133 = 7.5 multiplier, times 100FSB = 750Mhz instead
of the 1GHz you wanted. It'd probably run nice and cool though.

 

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Junosix wrote:
>
> Is it possible to stick a Pentium 3 Mobile 1GHz at 133MHz into a T20
> and have it run at 100MHz, or do I need to find one that is rated at
> 100? Is the 1GHz limit inherent to the ThinkPad, or just that there
> were no CPUs at 100MHz FSB that went higher than this?
>
> Many thanks in advance!

Wont boot, cpu must be the same bus speed. The T20 will take a 100mhz bus cpu.
I put a 900mhz cpu out of an A20 in my T20 and it works fine. You MUST watch
the cooling tho. The cooling table is set for 700mhz heat.

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Thanks for your replies - that's cleared things up a treat

Yep - I've been reading up on www.thinkpads.com and I'd need to get
the cooling assembly from a higher-end T-series for it to work
properly. I think for my needs it would be better to go for more RAM
and perhaps a quicker hard disk.

Many thanks

 

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Junosix wrote:
>
> Thanks for your replies - that's cleared things up a treat
>
> Yep - I've been reading up on www.thinkpads.com and I'd need to get
> the cooling assembly from a higher-end T-series for it to work
> properly. I think for my needs it would be better to go for more RAM
> and perhaps a quicker hard disk.
>
> Many thanks

Those are your better/easier upgrades. The RAM increase is the first, follwed
by faster HD... 5400 to 7200 rpm... then the cpu upgrade


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I have a trusty old 600X, which I would like to upgrade to a 850Mhz
MMC-2 Pentium III processor. Unfortunately, these are getting about as
rare as moon rocks. Can someone point to a source? eBay has not listed
any for a long itme now.

TIA,

Jerry

Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC wrote:
> Martin Slaney wrote:
> >
> > JHEM wrote:
> > > Martin Slaney wrote:
> > >

>
> Yep, you can put up to an 850 into a 500(or higher) -X. I havent
tried the
> 450's yet.
>

>
> I have two 500mhz 600X's that have 800's in them and they work fine
with no
> cludge or BIOS problems.
>
> > > My personal 600X is upgraded to a PIII 850MHz MMC2
> >
> > From what though ? Presumably something later than a 500 ... Am I
right
> > in thinking that the 500 is pre-speedstep ? My (reasonably
educated)
> > guesswork tells me that putting a speedstep module in a
> > non-speedstep-aware machine/BIOS/VRM would :-
>
> The two models I have are a 4AU, and a 4EU, both running XPHome.
>

>
> With no BIOS issues other than flashing to the latest for the -X they
both run
> fine, at 800mhz
>

 

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auteiri@fastmail.fm wrote:
> I have a trusty old 600X, which I would like to upgrade to a 850Mhz
> MMC-2 Pentium III processor. Unfortunately, these are getting about as
> rare as moon rocks. Can someone point to a source? eBay has not listed
> any for a long itme now.
>
> TIA,
>
> Jerry
>
> Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC wrote:
>
>>Martin Slaney wrote:
>>
>>>JHEM wrote:
>>>
>>>>Martin Slaney wrote:
>>>>
>
>
>>Yep, you can put up to an 850 into a 500(or higher) -X. I havent
>
> tried the
>
>>450's yet.
>>
>
>
>>I have two 500mhz 600X's that have 800's in them and they work fine
>
> with no
>
>>cludge or BIOS problems.
>>
>>
>>>>My personal 600X is upgraded to a PIII 850MHz MMC2
>>>
>>> From what though ? Presumably something later than a 500 ... Am I
>
> right
>
>>>in thinking that the 500 is pre-speedstep ? My (reasonably
>
> educated)
>
>>>guesswork tells me that putting a speedstep module in a
>>>non-speedstep-aware machine/BIOS/VRM would :-
>>
>>The two models I have are a 4AU, and a 4EU, both running XPHome.
>>
>
>
>>With no BIOS issues other than flashing to the latest for the -X they
>
> both run
>
>>fine, at 800mhz
>>
>
>
don't bother, it won't work. Even though the physical packaging is
mmc2, the motherboard chipset would not know how to implement the
instructions set from the p3. Not to mention, the cooling issues. Just
sell your 600e and buy a A2X, t2X.

 

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Albert Wong wrote:

> don't bother, it won't work. Even though the physical packaging is
> mmc2, the motherboard chipset would not know how to implement the
> instructions set from the p3. Not to mention, the cooling issues. Just
> sell your 600e and buy a A2X, t2X.

600X, not a 600E, and they work just fine! I've upgraded about a dozen 600Xs
to the PIII 850MHz MMC2.

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auteiri@fastmail.fm wrote:
> I have a trusty old 600X, which I would like to upgrade to a 850Mhz
> MMC-2 Pentium III processor. Unfortunately, these are getting about
> as rare as moon rocks. Can someone point to a source? eBay has not
> listed any for a long itme now.

I've got a few PIII 800MHz MMC2 modules left. Email me if you're interested.

Yes, the 850s are about as rare as hen's teeth, although I recently found a
source and grabbed two against future needs.

Now if I could only find some 2.6GHz P4Ms for my T30 and A31!

Regards,

James

 

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auteiri@fastmail.fm wrote:
>
> I have a trusty old 600X, which I would like to upgrade to a 850Mhz
> MMC-2 Pentium III processor. Unfortunately, these are getting about as
> rare as moon rocks. Can someone point to a source? eBay has not listed
> any for a long itme now.
>
> TIA,
>
> Jerry

The -X -can- take up to an 850, but you dont have to go that far... there are
lots of 650, 700, 750, and 800 cpu's around... just look for the MMC-2 form
factor.. and any of those are faster than the 500mhz. I have two spare 700's on
hand, but can only ship/mail inside US.

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Albert Wong wrote:
>
> auteiri@fastmail.fm wrote:
> > I have a trusty old 600X, which I would like to upgrade to a 850Mhz
> > MMC-2 Pentium III processor. Unfortunately, these are getting about as
> > rare as moon rocks. Can someone point to a source? eBay has not listed
> > any for a long itme now.
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC wrote:
> >
> >>Martin Slaney wrote:
> >>
> >>>JHEM wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Martin Slaney wrote:
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >>Yep, you can put up to an 850 into a 500(or higher) -X. I havent
> >
> > tried the
> >
> >>450's yet.
> >>
> >
> >
> >>I have two 500mhz 600X's that have 800's in them and they work fine
> >
> > with no
> >
> >>cludge or BIOS problems.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>My personal 600X is upgraded to a PIII 850MHz MMC2
> >>>
> >>> From what though ? Presumably something later than a 500 ... Am I
> >
> > right
> >
> >>>in thinking that the 500 is pre-speedstep ? My (reasonably
> >
> > educated)
> >
> >>>guesswork tells me that putting a speedstep module in a
> >>>non-speedstep-aware machine/BIOS/VRM would :-
> >>
> >>The two models I have are a 4AU, and a 4EU, both running XPHome.
> >>
> >
> >
> >>With no BIOS issues other than flashing to the latest for the -X they
> >
> > both run
> >
> >>fine, at 800mhz
> >>
> >
> >
> don't bother, it won't work. Even though the physical packaging is
> mmc2, the motherboard chipset would not know how to implement the
> instructions set from the p3. Not to mention, the cooling issues. Just
> sell your 600e and buy a A2X, t2X.

"buuuzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, nope, I'm sorry Albert, thats not the answer we're looking
for. It's a shame you have to leave us now, but not to worry, we have some
lovely parting gifts for you... Johnny, tell Al what he's won..."

Sorry Al, you dont know what you are talking about. The 600X will take up to an
850MHz CPU. I have swapped out the 500mhz cpus in three -X's and they are
screaming right along at 800mhz. Flash the BIOS with the latest, turn it off,
open up the hood, yank out the 500, stick in the 650 to 850mhz CPU, slam the
hood, turn it on, load up SpeedStep, siddon strapin and hangon.

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Capt. 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC wrote:
> Albert Wong wrote:
>
>>auteiri@fastmail.fm wrote:
>>
>>>I have a trusty old 600X, which I would like to upgrade to a 850Mhz
>>>MMC-2 Pentium III processor. Unfortunately, these are getting about as
>>>rare as moon rocks. Can someone point to a source? eBay has not listed
>>>any for a long itme now.
>>>
>>>TIA,
>>>
>>>Jerry
>>>
>>>Capt 'Wild' Bill Kelso, USAAC wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Martin Slaney wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>JHEM wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Martin Slaney wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Yep, you can put up to an 850 into a 500(or higher) -X. I havent
>>>
>>>tried the
>>>
>>>
>>>>450's yet.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have two 500mhz 600X's that have 800's in them and they work fine
>>>
>>>with no
>>>
>>>
>>>>cludge or BIOS problems.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>My personal 600X is upgraded to a PIII 850MHz MMC2
>>>>>
>>>>>From what though ? Presumably something later than a 500 ... Am I
>>>
>>>right
>>>
>>>
>>>>>in thinking that the 500 is pre-speedstep ? My (reasonably
>>>
>>>educated)
>>>
>>>
>>>>>guesswork tells me that putting a speedstep module in a
>>>>>non-speedstep-aware machine/BIOS/VRM would :-
>>>>
>>>>The two models I have are a 4AU, and a 4EU, both running XPHome.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>With no BIOS issues other than flashing to the latest for the -X they
>>>
>>>both run
>>>
>>>
>>>>fine, at 800mhz
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>don't bother, it won't work. Even though the physical packaging is
>>mmc2, the motherboard chipset would not know how to implement the
>>instructions set from the p3. Not to mention, the cooling issues. Just
>>sell your 600e and buy a A2X, t2X.
>
>
> "buuuzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, nope, I'm sorry Albert, thats not the answer we're looking
> for. It's a shame you have to leave us now, but not to worry, we have some
> lovely parting gifts for you... Johnny, tell Al what he's won..."
>
> Sorry Al, you dont know what you are talking about. The 600X will take up to an
> 850MHz CPU. I have swapped out the 500mhz cpus in three -X's and they are
> screaming right along at 800mhz. Flash the BIOS with the latest, turn it off,
> open up the hood, yank out the 500, stick in the 650 to 850mhz CPU, slam the
> hood, turn it on, load up SpeedStep, siddon strapin and hangon.
>
> TJ(aka Dr. von FrankenPad)
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my bad, i mistakenly thought the upgrade is for the 600E, some of which
also use the mmc2 packaging.

Back a year or 2, the price difference between 600x and the A or T
series was substantial. Now, it is not. By going to A or T series, you
also upgrade the video for the gaming enthusiasts.

Personally, 600e will do fine. the Apps i use do not require a great
deal of speed. To address slow window startup and shutdown issues, i
use the more stable windows 2000 hibernate and resume feature; it does
the trick for me.

Albert