Nexus Prime Moved to Hong Kong, Unveiling on 19th?

[JOSHSKORN]

The camera is only 5 MP though. This makes me a sad panda.

 

[hiryu]

It is officially announced it will be in HK
http/www.droid-life.com/2011/10/13/google-and-samsung-rescheduled-ice-cream-sandwich-event-for-october-18-in-hong-kong/

 

[ap3x]

[citation][nom]JOSHSKORN[/nom]The camera is only 5 MP though. This makes me a sad panda.[/citation]

Not if they upgraded the sensor. It could potentially take better pictures than the older phones 8/10 megapixel camera's.

 

[ap3x]

[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]I think you will find that Samsung have a juggernaut technological lead over Apple but don't release willy-nilly, they wait till Apple brings out it's newest model, waits a couple of weeks then shows its own latest model which make the Apple look wimpy and pathetic.Compare the 4S to the Prime, better acroiss the board unless you prefer smaller screens.[/citation]

lol, phone has not even been released yet. How does a company have a Juggernaut lead technologically and not try to be first to the market with it's juggernautness (if that is a word) and then make everyone else respond. If I where an investor I would not be happy with constantly giving up sales opportunities to a very competent competitor when I am positive I have such a technological advantage.

cmon man, your arms should be tired from waving that flag so hard.

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]ap3x[/nom]lol, phone has not even been released yet. How does a company have a Juggernaut lead technologically and not try to be first to the market with it's juggernautness (if that is a word) and then make everyone else respond. If I where an investor I would not be happy with constantly giving up sales opportunities to a very competent competitor when I am positive I have such a technological advantage. cmon man, your arms should be tired from waving that flag so hard.[/citation]
Samsung sold a total of 280 million phones in 2010
Apple sold a total of 47 million iPhones in 2010
...
Seems to be working out for them so far

 

[nugenttw]

[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Samsung sold a total of 280 million phones in 2010Apple sold a total of 47 million iPhones in 2010...Seems to be working out for them so far[/citation]

Now list the profit of the two companies on smart phone sales. I am curious which one will be higher. Remember, to a company, sales numbers don't matter nearly as much as profit does. Think, they have to have much, much higher R&D costs than Apple, and way higher production costs since they are making 20 phones instead of 1.

 

[watcha]

[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Samsung sold a total of 280 million phones in 2010Apple sold a total of 47 million iPhones in 2010...Seems to be working out for them so far[/citation]

Samsung managed to sell over 10 million Galaxy S handsets in 2010, comprising roughly a third of all the manufacturer's smartphone sales.

http/www.androidpolice.com/2011/01/28/samsung-releases-figures-for-2010-over-10-million-galaxy-s-phones-sold-tab-sales-mysteriously-absent/

 

[watcha]

'The Samsung Galaxy S has been such a smash hit with all of its different flavors, that the Korean based manufacturer is raising its estimate of the number of smartphones it expects to sell in 2010. Originally pegged to sell 18 million smartphones this year, Samsung now is looking to sell 25 million for an increase of 7 million. If you think that sounds like a big jump in expectations, keep in mind that in 2009, Samsung sold just 6 million smartphones. These figures came from the President of Samsung's mobile division, J.K. Shin, who added that he expects his firm to have a double digit share of the smartphone market by the end of the year.'

http/www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-raises-2010-estimate-of-smartphone-sales-from-18-million-to-25-million_id13061

Now what figure did you claim, 280 million?

Please.

 

[watcha]

FULL YEAR FINAL RESULTS

First lets do the big numbers, then I'll go by each brand individually. So full year 2010 final market shares of the top 10 smartphone makers:


1 Nokia . . . . . . 100.3M . . . 34%
2 RIM . . . . . . . . 48.0M . . . 16%
3 Apple . . . . . . .47.5M . . . 16%
4 HTC . . . . . . . 25.0M . . . . 8%
5 Samsung . . . .24.0M . . . . 8%
6 Motorola . . . . 13.7M . . . . 5%
7 SonyEricsson . 9.5M . . . . 3%
8 LG . . . . . . . . . 7.0M . . . . 2%
9 Fujitsu . . . . . . 6.2M . . . . 2%
10 Sharp . . . . . . . 5.2M . . . . 2%
Others . . . . . . . . 11.6M
Total . . . . . . . . .297.9M

http/communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2011/02/smartphone-bloodbath-2010-now-final-numbers-q4-and-full-year-2010-and-each-rival-awarded-their-final.html

But you were close with your claim of 280 million...

 

[happyballz]

http/www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_nexus_to_be_announced_october_19th-news-3270.php

 

[Vladislaus]

[citation][nom]watcha[/nom]FULL YEAR FINAL RESULTSFirst lets do the big numbers, then I'll go by each brand individually. So full year 2010 final market shares of the top 10 smartphone makers:1 Nokia . . . . . . 100.3M . . . 34%2 RIM . . . . . . . . 48.0M . . . 16%3 Apple . . . . . . .47.5M . . . 16%4 HTC . . . . . . . 25.0M . . . . 8%5 Samsung . . . .24.0M . . . . 8%6 Motorola . . . . 13.7M . . . . 5%7 SonyEricsson . 9.5M . . . . 3%8 LG . . . . . . . . . 7.0M . . . . 2%9 Fujitsu . . . . . . 6.2M . . . . 2%10 Sharp . . . . . . . 5.2M . . . . 2%Others . . . . . . . . 11.6MTotal . . . . . . . . .297.9Mhttp/communities-dominate.blogs. [...] final.htmlBut you were close with your claim of 280 million...[/citation]
I think he was referring to phone, not only smartphones.

 

[watcha]

[citation][nom]Vladislaus[/nom]I think he was referring to phone, not only smartphones.[/citation]

Are you trying to claim that he is stupid enough to not know the difference between a smartphone market and a normal phone market?

That would make his original point completely irrelevant - may as well include ipod numbers too

 

[ap3x]

[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Samsung sold a total of 280 million phones in 2010Apple sold a total of 47 million iPhones in 2010...Seems to be working out for them so far[/citation]

Take another look at the data and see how many where sold out of AT&T when that was the only carrier that had the current model IPhone in the US. Verizon did not sync up until later. Hard to really see the overall picture when there was only one carrier that supported the current model of a device when Samsung had several devices on all carriers all varying in capability.

Make it a apples to apples, or oranges to oranges comparison in instead of aggregate figures like that. You might be surprised at what you see.

 

[ap3x]

[citation][nom]watcha[/nom]Are you trying to claim that he is stupid enough to not know the difference between a smartphone market and a normal phone market?That would make his original point completely irrelevant - may as well include ipod numbers too[/citation]

That is a great point. Individual Android phone sales from Samsung vs Apple, HTC, vs Apple, Moto vs Apple. Apple wins every time. When you look at Android as a whole though and aggregate everyone vs Apple this it looks different. It is literally them against the world at that point. Not surprising that at some point the world wins. Nevermind that Apple was on 1 carrier for a long time.

But that comparison is still wrong though, because if you are looking at total android usage vs IPhone you are comparing software on many devices vs one companies most recent phone hardware figures. If you do OS to OS, IOS vs Android from a device sales perspective then IOS has the lead because then you are talking about Apples entire device portfolio which would also be carrier independent.

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]watcha[/nom]'The Samsung Galaxy S has been such a smash hit with all of its different flavors, that the Korean based manufacturer is raising its estimate of the number of smartphones it expects to sell in 2010. Originally pegged to sell 18 million smartphones this year, Samsung now is looking to sell 25 million for an increase of 7 million. If you think that sounds like a big jump in expectations, keep in mind that in 2009, Samsung sold just 6 million smartphones. These figures came from the President of Samsung's mobile division, J.K. Shin, who added that he expects his firm to have a double digit share of the smartphone market by the end of the year.'http/www.phonearena.com/news/Sam [...] on_id13061Now what figure did you claim, 280 million?Please.[/citation]
Learn to read, I said Phones, not just smartphones

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]watcha[/nom]Are you trying to claim that he is stupid enough to not know the difference between a smartphone market and a normal phone market?That would make his original point completely irrelevant - may as well include ipod numbers too[/citation]
The original point was that Samsung is a technical juggernaut, it has a bigger product base than Apple, works in more markets, has more revenue and more equity.
http/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc.
http/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung
...
Sure you can throw up figure that say Apple is the most valuable tech company in the world, based on share price but where you say Apple sells more smartphones, that makes them a one-trick pony and in the grand scheme of things Samsung are a much safer bet.

 

[ap3x]

[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]The original point was that Samsung is a technical juggernaut, it has a bigger product base than Apple, works in more markets, has more revenue and more equity.http/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc.http/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung...Sure you can throw up figure that say Apple is the most valuable tech company in the world, based on share price but where you say Apple sells more smartphones, that makes them a one-trick pony and in the grand scheme of things Samsung are a much safer bet.[/citation]

You have to be the first person to ever say that Apple is a one trick pony. They own the tablet market by over 90% and don't even go into portable music players. Then you look at PC market share on how PC sales have declined yet Apple's is steadily going up. You are misinformed if you think they are anything remotely resembling a one trick pony.

 

[ap3x]

[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]The original point was that Samsung is a technical juggernaut, it has a bigger product base than Apple, works in more markets, has more revenue and more equity.http/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc.http/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung...Sure you can throw up figure that say Apple is the most valuable tech company in the world, based on share price but where you say Apple sells more smartphones, that makes them a one-trick pony and in the grand scheme of things Samsung are a much safer bet.[/citation]

Funny you brought that up and then threw wikipedia links up.

Take a closer look and then read their official results

This is not stock prices, just revenue.

Samsung 220 Billion in 2010.....very nice!!
Apple 28.57 Billion in 2010.....nice!!

Samsung net Income 21 Billion 2010 stable
Apple Net Income 18.39 billion growing

Samsung Q3 2011 down from projections by 18% due to TV sales stagnating. Phones are making up for allot of lost revenue

Apple Q3 2011 Revenue up 82% with profits up 125%

Google it, it is all there. No fabricated numbers. In fact below is the Apple link. They post their financials on their site.

http/www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/07/19Apple-Reports-Third-Quarter-Results.html

Samsung 4x the revenue but on the decline yet only 2.5 billion more profits than Apple with Apple revenues up almost 100% since last year and profits way up.

So the final point is, Samsung has made a great phone that is really making up for declines in other parts of their business. Bigger product base does not always mean better. When they are not performing they hurt just the same. Apple's entire product base is growing, even the hobby project that they call the Apple TV.

Shame really, Samsung makes my favorite TV's but that revenue is probably just an economy issue.

 

[back_by_demand]

[citation][nom]ap3x[/nom]Funny you brought that up and then threw wikipedia links up. Take a closer look and then read their official resultsThis is not stock prices, just revenue[/citation]
I didn't say the revenue meant the stock price was high, I said the stock price indicated Apple being a more valuable company, despite it having revenue 8 times less, it is flabergasting that the stock value of Apple is so high when it takes so much less money.
Based on share price people are saying Apple is the biggest tech company in the world when it clearly isn't.
So they have 90% of the tablet market, so what? Share price is an artificial representation based on lots of factors that can be manipluated outside of the company. Samsung is a bigger company full stop, it has more products, more staff, more money, more revenue, more profit.
Sure you can say Samsung is on the decline and Apple is on the way up, but come back when they have overtaken and not before.

Have Samsung got the capability to go toe to toe in Apple markets? You damn right it does.
Does Apple have the capability to go toe to toe in Samsung markets? Not a chance, in some of its markets Apple doesn't even have a presence.

 

[watcha]

[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]The original point was that Samsung is a technical juggernaut, it has a bigger product base than Apple, works in more markets, has more revenue and more equity.http/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc.http/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung...Sure you can throw up figure that say Apple is the most valuable tech company in the world, based on share price but where you say Apple sells more smartphones, that makes them a one-trick pony and in the grand scheme of things Samsung are a much safer bet.[/citation]

In this quote, you yourself admit that your comment has nothing to do with smart phones specifically, and instead what you say is 'I dont care if the iPhone 4S is better than the Samsung Galaxy S2, sells far more units and is massively more profitable, our company is bigger' - how can you not see how irrelevant / pathetic that looks?

Apple ARE the most valuable tech company in the world, that's just a fact, but I don't need to point to irrelevances like that when comparing smart phones. Did you even remember what the topic of this article is?

You say 'Apple sells more smartphones' and then try to make out like that's a bad thing? That is BEYOND ridiculous. That's like saying that Microsoft make better cars than Ferrari because Ferrard are a 'one trick pony' and Microsoft are in more markets. What a complete logical failure. A 'one trick pony' being the most valuable company in the world (and of course completely not a one trick pony at all) but even if they were - it would mean heavily specialised, and great expertise. With Samsung, the phrase 'jack of all trades, master of none' comes to mind - and that is reflected in their GP %. Either way, value, sales, revenue, unless it PERTAINS TO SMART PHONES, is irrelevant when assessing and comparing SMART PHONES, which in case you've forgotten, is the topic here.