Obama Contemplating Three-Strikes Piracy Law

[Guest]

"There is no difference with going into a store and stealing Pringles or a handbag and taking this stuff"
Shows how astoundingly ignorant the industry and government is. One is physical theft (much worse). The other is copyright infringement. The only harm from the second, comes in the speculative form of lost sales. I would not defend it as harmless, but any comparison between the two is outright ignorant falsehood.

 

[sebastienm]

>>> "The store" also doesn't use tax payer money
Do you think they release thieves ??? no, they call the police i.e. tax payer money.
Same here, so far the music industry and al' pays people to track theft, then call the police. No different.

>>>to shift blame and responsibility.
What do you mean? Seriously, i don't understand what you mean.

Whether it's through the web, the mail, or in a store, what should be done if you steal something.
I don't see the issue. What are the possibilities:
- do nothing
- corporations suing people for amounts they will never be able to pay.
- warn twice then disconnect for a specific amount of time.
In my opinion, depending on how they find you, could be either ok or violation of privacy.

What do you guys think should be done? Seriously, just asking for constructive opinion.

 

[spoofedpacket]

[citation][nom]icemunk[/nom]Rights are disappearing day by day, as we cede control to the corporatocracy.[/citation]

Which amendment is 'The right to pirate software, music and movies' under? I missed that one somewhere.

 

[spoofedpacket]

[citation][nom]jurassic1024[/nom]Says you. I'd rather pay some measly $10/mo fee, than to pay that for one piece of software legally.[/citation]

Thinking like that usually results in not being a very productive member of society. Why not just file a fake disability claim and collect social security the rest of your days?

 

[ALANMAN]

This will definitely stop those downloading split archives from file hosts! ...NOT

 

[nebun]

[citation][nom]pink315[/nom]haha, oh America. Come up to Canada guys, where nothing can happen to you for torrenting anything. Plus we solved that healthcare debacle ages ago[/citation]

ha ha ha. who knows maybe i will, lol

 

[anamaniac]

[citation][nom]itadakimasu[/nom]I think it's a mess. What if your neighbor manages to break into your wireless router and DL a bunch of stuff?[/citation]
What if we just want to run public wifi?
I live around lots of older couples, and many of them have laptops, but they don't have net.
Internet can be very expensive. I'm paying $50 a month.
I don't leave my wifi open anymore because it was abused, but I didn't mind sharing when I did.
What they do with it is their business, not mine. As long as they don't browse child porn, I don't give a damn.

 

[john5246]

[citation][nom]1st duke of marlborough[/nom]All this talk of Big Brother makes me sick. Did you all ever stop and think what one of the prerequisites of an authoritarian state is? Loss of property rights. Like it or not, the shit that you steal online all the time, that I myself steal constantly, is not our property, we are taking it without compensating those who produced it. Our whole free society is based on the notion that one is compensated for their work; thus our civilization has reached a level of prosperity unheard of in all the rest of our history. This approach may not be the correct one, but sooner or later property rights must be enforced, or we will become Communist China, where there Is No Property. Furthermore, read your Bastiat! The only reason legitimate government exists is to protect our property, be it from illegal plunder--theft by a Bogart or the like--or legal plunder--theft perpetrated by government entities. From that most basic of assumptions it follows that stopping internet piracy, for it is indeed an act of piracy, is well within the reasonable realm of action on the part of the government; thus it is in no way totalitarian. I suggest you all read The Law by Bastiat, it's 75 pages of pure gold.[/citation]


I see where you are going with this but the logic if faulty and incomplete. We are the most prosperous nation not because of private property or Capitalism, it's because the US Dollar is the world's reserve currency. We can borrow and print our prosperity in a way that other nations can't.

You're little rant there sound rather Ron Paul-esqe, but unlike him you miss the bigger picture. It's phony prosperity.


AND WE ARE NOT THE MOST PROSPEROUS WE ARE THE MOST INDEBTED

 

[john5246]

We face a 12Trillion (and rising) DEBT

so don't fool yourselves into thinking we are prosperous. We are living on borrowed time and money that's all, plain and simple.

 

[Regulas]

Typical Fascist thinking.

 

[Guest]

Another sad, misguided attempt by the content industry to convince maw and paw to buy $10 copies of some crappy movie. Hey, Hollywood, try coming up with an online content delivery system that adds value and guess what... people will buy.

 

[mayne92]

[citation][nom]christop[/nom]communist china? anyone?[/citation]
Last time I checked, China is a socialist country...lol

This would be interesting to see how this pans out...how ISP would react. Just sad to see that big corp. run this country...

 

[bp 4575]

Tell me about a 20 strikes policy, then I'll listen

 

[Guest]

The movie and music industry has suffered enough and the quality has deteriorated. It is easy to not realize that this has an impact on jobs. If you think that someone is working hard to pay bills and live you won't feel good about downloading illegal movies or music. The government should step in to protect these industries.

 

[Guest]

Sunday’s ‘New York Times’ ran an interesting story about the ineffectiveness of France’s three-strikes anti-piracy law. According to the Times, not a single warning letter has been sent out since the law went into force...
More on this available: http/www.themusicvoid.com/2010/07/three-strikes-and-youre-out-but-then-again-maybe-not/

 

[agent church]

I hardly see how pirating is like going into a store and stealing pringles or a hand bag. It's more like one guy going into a store, BUYING pringles and a handbag, cloning those pringles and that hand bag and then giving them out to people for free! I think its a win-win situation, because now everybody has got pringles to eat, and a handbag to carry them in!

In my opinion, as long as you don't sell them to other people, you technically aren't gaining any monetary substance that rightfully belongs to another person (also known as stealing). You are simply purchasing something, and using as you please. Fellas, when you buy pringles at the store, are you signing an agreement that you ARE gonna munch on those tasty tater chips... or when you buy a handbag ladies, do you sign a paper saying that you wont use futuristic technology to clone the atomic structure of your bag, so that your friends can have the same bag? no, because as soon as you buy it, its yours, and you can do whatever you want with it because its yours. after I buy a movie, it is my choice whether or not I wanna keep it for myself, or clone it and upload it to pirate bay for random people i don't even know.

Well, that's the end of my rant... I'm gonna go buy some pringles, because this whole discussion has really worked up my appetite.

Respectfully submitted,
Me