Obama Contemplating Three-Strikes Piracy Law

[korsen]

Ok so just based on about 30 comments alone we have so far:
No due process of law to refute charges - excellent
The same rule should apply to greedy corporations and government officials - excellent
ISP's are gonna take a huge beating in revenue across the country/world (FCC won't be happy) = loss of work at home productivity, disputes, angry public, and most of the country without internet.

However, we might be able to get free enterprise ISP's out of this if the corporate ones lost enough business to shutdown or restructure. Either way it's a bad deal. 26 million noobs are on TPB alone never mind all the other sites google indexes for you.

Also - why the hell is firefox (or toms) underlining firefox and google for capitalization? THEY ARE NOT COUNTRIES! THEY ARE OBJECTS! I DO NOT CAPITALIZE THE WORD CAR IN MY DAILY SENTENCE STRUCTURE! BAD DOG!

 

[tommysch]

[citation][nom]sinman[/nom]Ha what a joke, exactly why I got into the security business. Corporations keep making billions while us consumers get shafted every time in a means to get executive pockets fatter.Currently, encryption on Utorrent is only Portocol Encryption. It doesn't fully encapsulate the packets as the number of sessions,ip addresses should still be visible. As for the type of encryption I am not sure but it may also be susceptible to being cracked which would result in the associated protocols being used to be visible.If this "3 strike law" is implemented I say Uttorent/Azereus/BitTorrent start offering full packet encapsulation with 3des /AES128 at the cost of a slight download speed degradation. Secure access sites for torrent trackers where users log on via SSL VPNs and peer2peer communication is fully tunneled via VPNs,SSL VPNs,Dynamic IPSec VPNs with pre shared keys (tracker automatically sets a key and emails it to the users) 3Des/AES128 encryption and MD5 or SHA1 hashes.Where trackers can not only act as a tracker server but also NAT all peer IP addresses so that no government authorities can log onto the VPNs and catch IP addresses.I want to see more emphasis on peer security in future patches for BitTorrent/Utorrent and others.Then the government can take their laws and shove it where the sun don't shine.[/citation]

This will only push the pirating technology further!! Its good for everybody, leets noobs/leeches in the business.

The only thing my ISP will see are a bunch of hashed packets.

[citation][nom]Eccentric909[/nom]Since when is internet access a right?Not saying I agree with the ideas in the article, but privately offered services are not a "right", they're a priveledge. Unless internet access is covered within the Bill of Rights, it is not one.[/citation]

Overthrowing the gov isnt a right either, it doesnt mean you cannot do it. There is a tree that will need to be fed in a near future.

 

[korsen]

[citation][nom]mlopinto2k1[/nom]I hope "The Industry" requires people to get special licenses to purchase their content so you can't get your dirty hands on it. Why don't you create something you worked your a$$ off on, then upload it to your local torrent site.[/citation]

Howabout open source and sourceforge you douchebag? Or Steal this movie? Or youtube? Or any number of linux distributions for the last billion years? STFU RTFM, BANNED.

 

[surfer1337dude]

[citation][nom]James Murdoch[/nom]"We need enforcement mechanisms and we need governments to play ball … There is no difference with going into a store and stealing Pringles or a handbag and taking this stuff," [/citation]
Except if I went and stole pringles and got caught, I would be either kidded out of the store (which then I could prob go back after an hour or so), be arrested for a day and/or fined around 100 bucks....with this stuff you will be fined thousands/hundred thousands or even millions....

 

[korsen]

[citation][nom]Marco925[/nom]they are the same people who turn a project into shit with DRM. Pirated products have better customer service[/citation]

Amen to that. AND GUESS WHAT? THEY DONT CHARGE YOU $9.95 PER MINUTE! IT'S FREE! Supreme Commander 2 anyone? Go read how many people have problems with that

 

[korsen]

[citation][nom]surfer1337dude[/nom]Except if I went and stole pringles and got caught, I would be either kidded out of the store (which then I could prob go back after an hour or so), be arrested for a day and/or fined around 100 bucks....with this stuff you will be fined thousands/hundred thousands or even millions....[/citation]

lol if they're charging college kids $500,000 for sharing 23 songs, just imagine what a single person's hard drive would constitute - SLAVE LABOR! WHEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[knutjb]

This is strange coming from the administration calling internet service a "right", which its not. They plan on spending OUR billions from new taxes on services we use. Then disconnect their users?

I'm not for piracy but we are not a SOCIAL democracy like France and our Fed Gov has no business pushing draconian measures. You like France so much then move there, no insult implied. I don't want Socialism here.

It is up to the vendor to protect his product and call the authorities to come in and investigate when they discover piracy. Sounds rough but that's the system, and it does work. We don't need big brother taking a proactive stance using Napoleonic Law.

 

[dstln]

James Murdoch claims piracy is no different to "going into a store and stealing Pringles or a handbag."

Ask ANY store manager if they think piracy is the same as store theft and they'll laugh in your face.

 

[mustwarnothers]

I wonder if the Abu Dhabi media summit made any mentions to the Grey Kitten that keeps getting delivered to their country.

 

[MU_Engineer]

[citation][nom]micr0be[/nom]do u understand how much resources will go in to decrypting just 1 persons traffic,[/citation]

Brute-force methods are just about never used to break cryptography because they usually don't have to be used. This XKCD comic points that out in a funny way.

Here, the ISP can simply do a man in the middle attack and intercept encryption keys to decrypt the data. If that doesn't work, then the ISP flags the stuff as suspect and the **AAs get a court to subpoena the person to give up their encryption keys to prove the traffic was legit (visions of wrenches come to mind.) Or, the ISP can simply use a known, unpatched vulnerability in the encryption protocol to bypass the encryption. That does happen from time to time.

and even after that they still have nothing to prove it's you that was pirating (due to hackers).

It probably won't matter. All they have to do is say that the person who the connection is registered to is responsible for network security. In that case, unless you can prove that a cracker (NOT a hacker- go turn in your geek card!) broke into your secured system and did the deed, you're on the hook.

they will need a warrant to search ur hard drive and only then (if anything was found) is the pirate in trouble.

This is civil court. The body of proof is just "plausible" rather than "beyond a reasonable doubt." They probably don't even need the HDD to make their case. The fact that your IP was associated with P2P activity using a tracker associated with illegally copied stuff is sometimes damning enough. If they find P2P software, that's an even bigger count in their favor even if no illegal files are found. It would be up to YOU at that point to prove your actions were legit because they already met their burden of proof.

(not to mention that all ur logs are protected by a private tracker overseas).oh and remember u have to get caught 3 times now for anything to happen. u might as well get hit by lighting a few times then get caught from the above. and i'm going with lighting on this one.

You have to be caught three times before the ISP shuts you off. The **AAs can sue you after a single infraction. I agree, it is unlikely the **AAs will sue any particular infringer, but it does happen and you don't want to be that person.

 

[mlopinto2k1]

[citation][nom]korsen[/nom]Howabout open source and sourceforge you douchebag? Or Steal this movie? Or youtube? Or any number of linux distributions for the last billion years? STFU RTFM, BANNED.[/citation]What's your point? I am talking about people who steal copyrighted material. Grow up.

 

[frozenlead]

[citation][nom]Eccentric909[/nom]Since when is internet access a right?Not saying I agree with the ideas in the article, but privately offered services are not a "right", they're a priveledge. Unless internet access is covered within the Bill of Rights, it is not one.[/citation]

You took it out of context. He meant that the information you use over the Internet should be private, just like your phone conversations (should be). ISP's watching what traffic is what and going to who is invasion of privacy.

 

[1st duke of marlborough]

All this talk of Big Brother makes me sick. Did you all ever stop and think what one of the prerequisites of an authoritarian state is? Loss of property rights. Like it or not, the shit that you steal online all the time, that I myself steal constantly, is not our property, we are taking it without compensating those who produced it. Our whole free society is based on the notion that one is compensated for their work; thus our civilization has reached a level of prosperity unheard of in all the rest of our history. This approach may not be the correct one, but sooner or later property rights must be enforced, or we will become Communist China, where there Is No Property.

Furthermore, read your Bastiat! The only reason legitimate government exists is to protect our property, be it from illegal plunder--theft by a Bogart or the like--or legal plunder--theft perpetrated by government entities. From that most basic of assumptions it follows that stopping internet piracy, for it is indeed an act of piracy, is well within the reasonable realm of action on the part of the government; thus it is in no way totalitarian. I suggest you all read The Law by Bastiat, it's 75 pages of pure gold.

 

[knowom]

James Murdoch claims piracy is no different to "going into a store and stealing Pringles or a handbag." If that's true the fine should be no different either, but we know that's not the case.

 

[omnimodis78]

Obama should be contemplating how he will fulfill his campaign promises first.

 

[nebun]

again this is modern day communism, wtf is going on with the US judicial system. this is your president hard at work? or hardly working?

 

[maigo]

My ISP already does that

 

[pink315]

haha, oh America. Come up to Canada guys, where nothing can happen to you for torrenting anything. Plus we solved that healthcare debacle ages ago

 

[micr0be]

@ MU_Engineer

ur right if they lock on to a person and that person is pirating,then one way or another he's going down.
although the odds are slim, i wonder if they are breaching certain rights to get to these results.
i know one thing, when a rumor goes out that an ISP is doing any of the things u mentioned they get hit hard with criticism and lose many users (probably most of whom are pirates)and new customers will prefer rival ISPs. its a huge waist to track an individual pirate down, they wana do something useful focus all that energy on taking down all illegal trackers and monitor them. its the same thing with drugs... same exact problem.

 

[smleth]

Quote: James Murdoch claims piracy is no different to "going into a store and stealing Pringles or a handbag."

So if someone gets caught stealing Pringles 3 times they should be banned from going into any store for the rest of their life even if that is how they make their living.

Sounds really stupid to me.