Obama Wants Internet ID for All Americans

[K2N hater]

[citation][nom]Yoder54[/nom]It is hate mongering like this and what Palin, and Angle say that put delusional ideas into the minds of the insane who then go out and massacre innocent people. It is appalling that any American would compare any of our leaders to Hitler. Read your history and discover the atrocities the Nazi regime committed, go to Europe and talk to some of those who experienced it first hand, or talk to some American's who were there. Had you said such a thing in many countries you would be imprisoned, fined, or shot. Get a brain asshole.[/citation]
You claim nazism is wrong but preach it like a follower. Hypocrite!

 

[Guest]

THis guy is the dumbest president in history. He is polished but has as much common sense as a turnip. He either doesn't want be be re-elected or is so stupid that he doesn't so these policies as backfiring politically. It is scary.

 

[Guest]

THis guy is the dumbest president in history. He is polished but has as much common sense as a turnip. He either doesn't want be be re-elected or is so stupid that he doesn't so these policies as backfiring politically. It is scary.

 

[formin]

the lolz
glad im not in the usa

 

[matt_b]

[citation][nom]Silmarunya[/nom]No, not really. These devices don't replace traditional security measures, they simply add another layer on top of it. One that doesn't contain any personal data other than a few minor ones the government already knows anyway (like date of birth and area of residence), does not stock passwords or does not in any other way pose a security risk.[/citation]Re-read about this part from the article (what I was referring to) quoting the President:

What we are talking about is enhancing online security and privacy and reducing and perhaps even eliminating the need to memorize a dozen passwords

 

[rooket]

I don't think this would work. Obama needs to focus more on his job rather than on the internet.

 

[tommysch]

[citation][nom]pozaks[/nom]I'm a paranoid antigovernment anarchist, and this makes me EVEN CRAZIER. BAMA TAKEN MAH IDENTITAH![/citation]

Well that would qualify as a typical American. Freaking about whats insignificant or good (health care public insurance) but approving silently when its outrageous (patriot act, airport security, etc.). As long as you say the word terrorist, you are fine. If you dont its obviously a secret communist plot.

 

[elbert]

I give this under 5 years before we are required to use the id to access the net. Every problem in occurring from this system will be blamed on hackers. Many will get a false sense of security from this system and start using it as a fail safe way of interacting. Doctor visits over the net will be common place. Senator's will get incorrect medical diagnoses back and commit suicide. Data security analyst's id's will be changed to criminals.

I really hope Obama doesn't rename a group in the U.S. Commerce Department the Praetorians. Obama should name this the Gatekeeper program and change his name to Gregg.

This type of control could be bad for us all. We are better off without more costly government oversight. My taxes are high enough as is. Maybe talk about cutting U.S. Commerce Department. Many workers in America are being told to accept a pay cut or go home. A spend happy president just doesn't go over well with me under this economy.

 

[oboelcke]

[citation][nom]Yoder54[/nom]It is hate mongering like this and what Palin, and Angle say that put delusional ideas into the minds of the insane who then go out and massacre innocent people. It is appalling that any American would compare any of our leaders to Hitler. Read your history and discover the atrocities the Nazi regime committed, go to Europe and talk to some of those who experienced it first hand, or talk to some American's who were there. Had you said such a thing in many countries you would be imprisoned, fined, or shot. Get a brain asshole.[/citation]
Wow what a hater. It is always some one elses fault that bad things happen and never the person doing those things.
I do see he has received his talking points for the day though.

 

[Parrdacc]

[citation][nom]the associate[/nom]Ppl don't seem to understand american's skepticism towards anything thats advertised to provide "security" without privacy invasion, probably because EVERY single time they've been promised something by the government, they get bent the **** over.I'm at least glad I didn't see ignorant ppl claiming americans to be stupid, they've all been waking up since 2001 and have been lied to enough to realize when to tell a new idea to **** off.Sure it works great in europe, but that's europe, have you not been following the controversial BS of the US government since george bush was in power?Their paranoia only makes sense, and I agree, screw this plan until they finally get a trustworthy government, however long that will take...[/citation]

Thank you. Someone who seems to get it. To be honest most of us Americans are fairly skeptical when it comes to government to begin with for the very reasons that you stated. Now don't get me wrong I am not talking about those few who have stock in aluminum foil, you know who am talking about, but just those of us who see a government that just seems to tell us what we need instead of the people telling them what we need. Basically there is a disconnect right now between the American people and its represenatives that has been going on for a while now and as a result who have what we got now. However, America has been through this before and so far we have come out of it just fine. So here's hoping.

 

[Flynn_Serlant]

no, no, a thousand times no

 

[notbysight]

Why would someone think that the private sector would protect our information? With no requirement that information being maintained by private ventures be accurate, there may be limited recourse. It isn't like a person could sue because their medical insurance was higher due to inaccurate records. People aren't necessarily even entitled to see their records. You can request your records from a doctor's office, but it isn't a doctors office that maintains a repository of your health records and supplies that information to hospitals and insurance companies. I am concerned that this ID would be incorporated into credit monitoring.

 

[zak_mckraken]

I knew americans where known for their "government/big brother" paranoïa, but I wasn't expecting so much from tech savvy readers. So far, 9/10 people seem they would rather live under a rock.

 

[Guest]

Rofl. The conspiracy theorists are out in full force. You might want to take down your confederate flag and read up before jumping to conclusions.

When you buy something on the internet the online vendor's website authenticates (proves to your computer that it's the real vendor's website) itself using something called Public Key Cryptography (or more specifically, SSL). The vendor's web server sends you a Certificate with an attached public key. Your computer then checks with the trusted Certificate Authority (a company like Verisign that issues these certificates) to verify that the certificate is real and hasn't been revoked. Then, to really simplify it, it initiates an encrypted session with the server knowing that it's not sending your credit card to some hacker's website.

The only problem with this model is that only one side is authenticated. You know the vendor's website is the real thing, except the vendor's website doesn't know if you are who you say you are. You could be buying a $2000 HDTV on Amazon, or it could be some Nigerian man who stole your identity. Because the only thing that authenticates you is your personal information and your credit card info, and we all know how easy it is to get that stolen.

So a Digital ID would be the use of a Public Key Infrastruction (PKI) that authenticates the USER as well. That would be adding an extra layer of protection for the consumer. So even if some Nigerian guy steals your credit card info and personal information he would also have to fly over to America and physically steal your Smart Card, just so he can get that $2000 HDTV from Amazon. Sounds like that would make identity theft a little harder, right?

Also, the article is correct, it wouldn't use a centralized database because that's not how PKI works. There's at least 20+ third party Certificate Authorities that maintain their own database of certificates. And those databases don't contain your credit card info/big brother type info, they contain certificates with public keys and the name of the user/company their assigned to.

So the moral of the story is; if you don't fully understand something don't jump to conclusions.

 

[elbert]

@OHWHATDA
You missed the fact that most all retailers match your physical address against the card holders address from the issuing bank. Saying others are conspiracy theorists because they don't trust government isn't intelligent. You may need to read up a bit more yourself.

 

[TheCapulet]

I guess he really does want to lose the presidency.

 

[Guest]

I'm not a brilliant person, a very average one. So, my imediate thought was...hmm, on the surface of what he wants sounds ok... even plausable. Then I read the post comments. Then my brain kicked in and red flags went off. All of you posters were faster then me. Now, my thoughts are " heck no, first this little innocent little project... then as others said the breaches will come and then low an behold.... the ' control ' factor is set in place. Hmmm, that's not my America. My vote is a firm ' No' and no thanks'.... BUT, like I said I'm average and I believe my brain kicked in... but how many other ' averages' out there will not have their brains kick in and let this thing through... heaven help up !

 

[DXRick]

Taxing America

The only purpose I can see for this is to setup a system for creating interstate and/or national sales taxes.

In CA, Jerry Brown wants to implement a state tax for all internet purchases from other states. Other states want the same thing.

The socialists want the US to have a VAT tax (like Europe and Canada). Obama's health care plan mentions the need for such a thing.

Once they create this national ID thing, internet retailers could start requiring it in the name of better security. Once this happens, it would be easy for states and the fed to collect this info for taxes.

 

[akhodjaev]

who bribed/lobbied you for this idea? probably some big shark who wants to render this service to GOV and take billions?
Hell No

 

[COLGeek]

Not only is there a complete lack of knowledge and understanding within many of these comments, but the lack of objectivity and civility is even more shocking.

Not surprised by some of the reactions, especially when you consider some of the diatribes that ensue when we discuss software piracy and the feeling of entitlement to steal, by many, but the levels of ignorance displayed here are truly saddening.

There are a few out there that need to take a deep breath and think before typing only to end up making a great group of forum members look like a bunch of losers, haters, fear mongers, and mental cases.

When we discuss technology, its all good. When politics get tossed into the discussion, the knuckleheads go crazy. Without even realizing it, or caring, you are making the case that is being discussed in the press ,both in the US and abroad, that Americans have become too polarized and can't even have a civil conversation amongst themselves.

Think, then discuss, and don't rant. We are better than this.

Last, many things posted here wouldn't be said in public conversation with another human actually talking to you face to face. So, why post your nonsense here? What does that say about the point you are trying to make?

'Nuf said. Back to reality.