Phone heat...acceptable?

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My sister has a Verizon 8800 flip phone. She just got it a couple of
weeks ago. I was talking to her for about 5 minutes and she says she
has to switch from side to side because of the heat.

I asked her if the heat was on the back or front. She said the
front...where the dialing numbers are. That surprised me.

Here phone is both analog/digital. She was calling from a metropolitan
area so she felt it wan't on analog mode.

Is her phone, based on your opinion, flakey and should she return it
(she has a couple of days left) or are Verizon phones normally hot to
the touch and uncomfortable to use. My brand is Nextel and I've never
had a heat problem.
 

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Mine always gets hot. On analog it should
get "hot" a little quicker than with digital.
My opinions of course. She, in my opinion,
won't get much consideration after the return
period is over and I personally would return and swap
it if there is any suspicion of anything not
right before the time runs out. Luck
 
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It's just a cheaply made phone that's all. You probably have the thinest
plastic known to man covering the battery and the manufacturer could care
less about the user of the phone, just as long as they made 10,000 of them
by month's end. The phone is fine, it's the cutting of corners and cheaper
made products that we get is where the problem lies. Remember, the
manufacture can't make any money if they made a high quality phone and sold
it at a premium price. But they can make a bundle if they make a cheap ass
phone and made a ton of them with minor flaws and corner cutting. This also
applies to basically every product on the market these days.
"Salad" <oil@vinegar.com> wrote in message
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> My sister has a Verizon 8800 flip phone. She just got it a couple of
> weeks ago. I was talking to her for about 5 minutes and she says she
> has to switch from side to side because of the heat.
>
> I asked her if the heat was on the back or front. She said the
> front...where the dialing numbers are. That surprised me.
>
> Here phone is both analog/digital. She was calling from a metropolitan
> area so she felt it wan't on analog mode.
>
> Is her phone, based on your opinion, flakey and should she return it
> (she has a couple of days left) or are Verizon phones normally hot to
> the touch and uncomfortable to use. My brand is Nextel and I've never
> had a heat problem.
>
 
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Killer Madness wrote:

> It's just a cheaply made phone that's all. You probably have the thinest
> plastic known to man covering the battery and the manufacturer could care
> less about the user of the phone, just as long as they made 10,000 of them
> by month's end. The phone is fine, it's the cutting of corners and cheaper
> made products that we get is where the problem lies. Remember, the
> manufacture can't make any money if they made a high quality phone and sold
> it at a premium price. But they can make a bundle if they make a cheap ass
> phone and made a ton of them with minor flaws and corner cutting. This also
> applies to basically every product on the market these days.

Interesting. I talked for 2 hours the other day on my Nextel flip phone
made by Motorola and there was no heat in front or back. That's why I
posted this question...to see if was standard in Verizon phones.
Apparantly you feel it is.
 
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Salad wrote:
> Killer Madness wrote:
>
>> It's just a cheaply made phone that's all. You probably have the
>> thinest plastic known to man covering the battery and the
>> manufacturer could care less about the user of the phone, just as
>> long as they made 10,000 of them by month's end. The phone is fine,
>> it's the cutting of corners and cheaper made products that we get is
>> where the problem lies. Remember, the manufacture can't make any
>> money if they made a high quality phone and sold it at a premium
>> price. But they can make a bundle if they make a cheap ass phone and
>> made a ton of them with minor flaws and corner cutting. This also
>> applies to basically every product on the market these days.
>
> Interesting. I talked for 2 hours the other day on my Nextel flip
> phone made by Motorola and there was no heat in front or back.
> That's why I posted this question...to see if was standard in Verizon
> phones. Apparantly you feel it is.

uhhh.... you may want to ask for some (any?) technical reason
to base that on. heat <=> cheaply made phone... there may
not be any correlation.

-Quick
 
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Salad wrote:
> Interesting. I talked for 2 hours the other day on my Nextel flip phone
> made by Motorola and there was no heat in front or back. That's why I
> posted this question...to see if was standard in Verizon phones.
> Apparantly you feel it is.

Using the Motorola StarTac in analog mode would result in lots of heat.
It would drain the extended battery in under 15 minutes.

Roger
 
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> uhhh.... you may want to ask for some (any?) technical reason
> to base that on. heat <=> cheaply made phone... there may
> not be any correlation.

A cheaply made phone doesn't necessarily get hot.

But if a phone gets hot when used, then it's a good
sign that it is cheaply made.

A phone can be made cheap by skimping on
things besides heatsink equipment.

But one of the ways to save money in making
a phone is to use an inadequate heatsink.
Or to use inefficient components that make
an excess quantity of heat.
And that will cause small portions of the phone
to get uncomfortably hot.
Instead of the heat being dissipated across
the entire phone body.
 
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If your phone is generating that much heat I would hate to think how fast it
is running down the battery.

I am curious what component is generating the heat? The display? The
battery? Or the transmitter? Regardless of which it is, I have never had a
phone that got that hot before. I would take it back to a Verizon retail
store and have a service guy take a look at it.

One thing to think about is that she could be in a poor signal coverage area
(even if it is digital) which is forcing her phone to transmit at maximum
power.

I would be specifically concerned if the heat were coming from the battery
since there have been several recent cases of phone batteries catching on
fire (mostly from cheap after market replacemets).

-Eric


"Salad" <oil@vinegar.com> wrote in message
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> My sister has a Verizon 8800 flip phone. She just got it a couple of
> weeks ago. I was talking to her for about 5 minutes and she says she
> has to switch from side to side because of the heat.
>
> I asked her if the heat was on the back or front. She said the
> front...where the dialing numbers are. That surprised me.
>
> Here phone is both analog/digital. She was calling from a metropolitan
> area so she felt it wan't on analog mode.
>
> Is her phone, based on your opinion, flakey and should she return it
> (she has a couple of days left) or are Verizon phones normally hot to
> the touch and uncomfortable to use. My brand is Nextel and I've never
> had a heat problem.
>
 
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N9WOS wrote:
>> uhhh.... you may want to ask for some (any?) technical reason
>> to base that on. heat <=> cheaply made phone... there may
>> not be any correlation.
>
> A cheaply made phone doesn't necessarily get hot.
>
> But if a phone gets hot when used, then it's a good
> sign that it is cheaply made.
>
> A phone can be made cheap by skimping on
> things besides heatsink equipment.
>
> But one of the ways to save money in making
> a phone is to use an inadequate heatsink.
> Or to use inefficient components that make
> an excess quantity of heat.
> And that will cause small portions of the phone
> to get uncomfortably hot.
> Instead of the heat being dissipated across
> the entire phone body.

What?!?! "inadequate heatsink"? I'm not a mechanical
engineer but it seems to me that heatsink or not the
heat has to be dissipated to the air... Phones are made
mostly from plastic. I'm not aware that plastic is a great
conductor of heat. So I don't see how a more expensive
phone could dissipate heat across the entire body of the
phone unless you lined it with a good heat conductor --
probably metal that would add a good amount to the
weight of the phone (not desireable). It's the battery
that gets hot when drained (relatively) quickly.

Sorry that I missed the OP. Did they mention if they
were in analog mode? Were they using a 3rd party
battery? By the way, manufacturers do not make
phones any differently for VZW than anyone else --
they just have a different firmware load (maybe they
leave out the software heatsink...?).

-Quick
 
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Quick wrote:
> Salad wrote:
>
>>Killer Madness wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It's just a cheaply made phone that's all. You probably have the
>>>thinest plastic known to man covering the battery and the
>>>manufacturer could care less about the user of the phone, just as
>>>long as they made 10,000 of them by month's end. The phone is fine,
>>>it's the cutting of corners and cheaper made products that we get is
>>>where the problem lies. Remember, the manufacture can't make any
>>>money if they made a high quality phone and sold it at a premium
>>>price. But they can make a bundle if they make a cheap ass phone and
>>>made a ton of them with minor flaws and corner cutting. This also
>>>applies to basically every product on the market these days.
>>
>>Interesting. I talked for 2 hours the other day on my Nextel flip
>>phone made by Motorola and there was no heat in front or back.
>>That's why I posted this question...to see if was standard in Verizon
>>phones. Apparantly you feel it is.
>
>
> uhhh.... you may want to ask for some (any?) technical reason
> to base that on. heat <=> cheaply made phone... there may
> not be any correlation.
>

Like I said. My Nextel doesn't overheat. My sister's Verizon phone is
painful to use. I wouldn't have even asked a question if she didn't
have a problem. I was wondering if it is a defective phone. She had 2
days to return it.

Her's has both analog and digital. From what I've read, analog tends to
overheat. I have no idea of there is a switch that needs to be set to
either use analog or digital. Since she was calling in a major
metropolitan area, and not far out in the country, I assume she should
be in digital mode.

Personally, I would hate to be stuck with a 2 year contract with a phone
I hated to use or is painful to use.
 
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Salad wrote:
> Quick wrote:
>> Salad wrote:
>>
>>> Killer Madness wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> It's just a cheaply made phone that's all. You probably have the
>>>> thinest plastic known to man covering the battery and the
>>>> manufacturer could care less about the user of the phone, just as
>>>> long as they made 10,000 of them by month's end. The phone is fine,
>>>> it's the cutting of corners and cheaper made products that we get
>>>> is where the problem lies. Remember, the manufacture can't make any
>>>> money if they made a high quality phone and sold it at a premium
>>>> price. But they can make a bundle if they make a cheap ass phone
>>>> and made a ton of them with minor flaws and corner cutting. This
>>>> also applies to basically every product on the market these days.
>>>
>>> Interesting. I talked for 2 hours the other day on my Nextel flip
>>> phone made by Motorola and there was no heat in front or back.
>>> That's why I posted this question...to see if was standard in
>>> Verizon phones. Apparantly you feel it is.
>>
>>
>> uhhh.... you may want to ask for some (any?) technical reason
>> to base that on. heat <=> cheaply made phone... there may
>> not be any correlation.
>>
>
> Like I said. My Nextel doesn't overheat. My sister's Verizon phone
> is painful to use. I wouldn't have even asked a question if she
> didn't have a problem. I was wondering if it is a defective phone.
> She had 2 days to return it.
>
> Her's has both analog and digital. From what I've read, analog tends
> to overheat. I have no idea of there is a switch that needs to be
> set to either use analog or digital. Since she was calling in a major
> metropolitan area, and not far out in the country, I assume she should
> be in digital mode.
>
> Personally, I would hate to be stuck with a 2 year contract with a
> phone I hated to use or is painful to use.

Painful? If the battery (it is the battery that is getting hot) is getting
hot enough to be painful then it's defective and you should take it
back right away. I used to have a Nokia that would warm up pretty
well (GSM so digital). I think it was one of those tiny 3290's. Very
warm but no where near painful...

-Quick
 
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Stop taking acid dude. If the phone is painful to use and you're posting the
question if it's suppose to get hot and if you should return it. Do you
really need a pethetic loser like myself to tell you to return your phone if
it's PAINFUL to use? My god man.

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> Quick wrote:
> > Salad wrote:
> >
> >>Killer Madness wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>It's just a cheaply made phone that's all. You probably have the
> >>>thinest plastic known to man covering the battery and the
> >>>manufacturer could care less about the user of the phone, just as
> >>>long as they made 10,000 of them by month's end. The phone is fine,
> >>>it's the cutting of corners and cheaper made products that we get is
> >>>where the problem lies. Remember, the manufacture can't make any
> >>>money if they made a high quality phone and sold it at a premium
> >>>price. But they can make a bundle if they make a cheap ass phone and
> >>>made a ton of them with minor flaws and corner cutting. This also
> >>>applies to basically every product on the market these days.
> >>
> >>Interesting. I talked for 2 hours the other day on my Nextel flip
> >>phone made by Motorola and there was no heat in front or back.
> >>That's why I posted this question...to see if was standard in Verizon
> >>phones. Apparantly you feel it is.
> >
> >
> > uhhh.... you may want to ask for some (any?) technical reason
> > to base that on. heat <=> cheaply made phone... there may
> > not be any correlation.
> >
>
> Like I said. My Nextel doesn't overheat. My sister's Verizon phone is
> painful to use. I wouldn't have even asked a question if she didn't
> have a problem. I was wondering if it is a defective phone. She had 2
> days to return it.
>
> Her's has both analog and digital. From what I've read, analog tends to
> overheat. I have no idea of there is a switch that needs to be set to
> either use analog or digital. Since she was calling in a major
> metropolitan area, and not far out in the country, I assume she should
> be in digital mode.
>
> Personally, I would hate to be stuck with a 2 year contract with a phone
> I hated to use or is painful to use.
>
>
>
>
>
 
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I have had quite a few cell phones and none got hot. Did notice the battery
got SLIGHTLY warm a few times after talking for a LONG time. If any of my
phones produced much heat I would take it in to get checked.

"Killer Madness" <killermo@cnet.com> wrote in message
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> Stop taking acid dude. If the phone is painful to use and you're posting
the
> question if it's suppose to get hot and if you should return it. Do you
> really need a pethetic loser like myself to tell you to return your phone
if
> it's PAINFUL to use? My god man.
>
> "Salad" <oil@vinegar.com> wrote in message
> news:NCyuc.16345$Tn6.13987@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > Quick wrote:
> > > Salad wrote:
> > >
> > >>Killer Madness wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>It's just a cheaply made phone that's all. You probably have the
> > >>>thinest plastic known to man covering the battery and the
> > >>>manufacturer could care less about the user of the phone, just as
> > >>>long as they made 10,000 of them by month's end. The phone is fine,
> > >>>it's the cutting of corners and cheaper made products that we get is
> > >>>where the problem lies. Remember, the manufacture can't make any
> > >>>money if they made a high quality phone and sold it at a premium
> > >>>price. But they can make a bundle if they make a cheap ass phone and
> > >>>made a ton of them with minor flaws and corner cutting. This also
> > >>>applies to basically every product on the market these days.
> > >>
> > >>Interesting. I talked for 2 hours the other day on my Nextel flip
> > >>phone made by Motorola and there was no heat in front or back.
> > >>That's why I posted this question...to see if was standard in Verizon
> > >>phones. Apparantly you feel it is.
> > >
> > >
> > > uhhh.... you may want to ask for some (any?) technical reason
> > > to base that on. heat <=> cheaply made phone... there may
> > > not be any correlation.
> > >
> >
> > Like I said. My Nextel doesn't overheat. My sister's Verizon phone is
> > painful to use. I wouldn't have even asked a question if she didn't
> > have a problem. I was wondering if it is a defective phone. She had 2
> > days to return it.
> >
> > Her's has both analog and digital. From what I've read, analog tends to
> > overheat. I have no idea of there is a switch that needs to be set to
> > either use analog or digital. Since she was calling in a major
> > metropolitan area, and not far out in the country, I assume she should
> > be in digital mode.
> >
> > Personally, I would hate to be stuck with a 2 year contract with a phone
> > I hated to use or is painful to use.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
 
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Killer Madness wrote:

> Stop taking acid dude. If the phone is painful to use and you're posting the
> question if it's suppose to get hot and if you should return it. Do you
> really need a pethetic loser like myself to tell you to return your phone if
> it's PAINFUL to use? My god man.
>

Going through Google I see the Verizon phones get hot.

I don't use Verizon nor does my phone get hot. But for quite a few
Verizon subscribers it seems to be a fact of life.

My sister took hers back.

And yes, I like losers like yourself to make a comment.
 
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IMHO wrote:

> I have had quite a few cell phones and none got hot.

Same with me. If you do a google for cell phones and heat, it is a
common enough problem.

Did notice the battery
> got SLIGHTLY warm a few times after talking for a LONG time. If any of my
> phones produced much heat I would take it in to get checked.
>

I think she canceled Verizon and went with AT&T instead.
 
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