Political: Apple Rejects Healthcare App

[croc]

Personally, if I had a life-threatening issue I'd get stabilized and then retreat to AUS as fast as the next flight could get me there. I can't speak for the Europeans or the Canadians...

As to waiting times, last time I had an issue, (crushed vertebrae) I was seen immediately, treated immediately, and proper remediation (brace, meds for pain etc.) happened almost immediately as well. Fortunately, it was agreed by all (me) that surgery would not be the best outcome. I was back at work part time in three days, and full time in a month. I had one CT scan, three MRI's, and about twenty hours of consultation with various specialists. Total cost to me? None. Total cost to my company? None. Total cost to Medicare? ~$3500, including my orthepedic chair.

 

[neiroatopelcc]

Sure Apple can do what they want with their service - so long they don't claim they're giving a fair treatment, or doing it for the greater good of mankind or anything else that is not true.
They don't give a rats ass about being fair, or what is morally sound. They merely care about generating revenue, and about not being targetted by lawyers that'd eat up too much of their spare cash. They're the perfect example of what happends if you mix interlect with amoral/psychopathic behavour in a commerce ruled world. A world I'd actually like, if those with cash would play by the same rules as the rest of us.

 

[r3t4rd]

[citation][nom]croc[/nom]Personally, if I had a life-threatening issue I'd get stabilized and then retreat to AUS as fast as the next flight could get me there. I can't speak for the Europeans or the Canadians...As to waiting times, last time I had an issue, (crushed vertebrae) I was seen immediately, treated immediately, and proper remediation (brace, meds for pain etc.) happened almost immediately as well. Fortunately, it was agreed by all (me) that surgery would not be the best outcome. I was back at work part time in three days, and full time in a month. I had one CT scan, three MRI's, and about twenty hours of consultation with various specialists. Total cost to me? None. Total cost to my company? None. Total cost to Medicare? ~$3500, including my orthepedic chair.[/citation]
So? I don't pay anything as well except co-pay and maybe a fee here and there. So what if your company doesn't pay? My company pays for my Healthcare and have been for generations. Yet they are still in business. Its irrelevant. What you think and do has nothing to do with me but when you start to bash the US Healthcare system AND you don't live in the US...just don't flow with me.

Unlike Europe, Canada, and Australia - we choose our doctors and dentist. If my doctor sucks and couldn't diagnose me, but I went to a second doctor and he found out what was wrong, I can choose to flip my first doctor the bird and go with the second one. That my friend is the beauty of the US, we have choice. Unlike Canada, Europe, and Australia, you can't. You are stuck with the shitty doctors and dentist because your government says you go to this doctor and that dentist etc. Another example, if I was a doctor and really good at what I am doing, why should I not charge more for my better services? And who's to stop me? Why do you think all the stars in hollywood have thier "Special" doctors? Its because these doctors are good at what they do and discrete with thier patients information. I can go on and on and on about the US's healthcare system but will just keep ranting. And don't get me wrong, ofcourse I know there are bad things about it as well

Austrailia is by far better than Canada or Europe for wait time. And no, I am not going to post any articles to support what I have been saying because people will come back and say.."your article was biased" etc. Rather just type in "average wait time for surgery in Canada/Europe/Austrailia" in google. Read from all sources, all you want!!

 

[r3t4rd]

[citation][nom]croc[/nom]Personally, if I had a life-threatening issue I'd get stabilized and then retreat to AUS as fast as the next flight could get me there. I can't speak for the Europeans or the Canadians...As to waiting times, last time I had an issue, (crushed vertebrae) I was seen immediately, treated immediately, and proper remediation (brace, meds for pain etc.) happened almost immediately as well. Fortunately, it was agreed by all (me) that surgery would not be the best outcome. I was back at work part time in three days, and full time in a month. I had one CT scan, three MRI's, and about twenty hours of consultation with various specialists. Total cost to me? None. Total cost to my company? None. Total cost to Medicare? ~$3500, including my orthepedic chair.[/citation]
I should also say, croc, if you like your mediocre doctors and dentists....that is your choice - wait..you have no choice. Me, I want the best doctor for my family and I choose who what when where why, and pay them for it. Thats also one of the beauty of the US and what our four fathers enstilled long ago. Damnit...I am ranting...aren't I?

 

[r0x0r]

[citation][nom]r3t4rd[/nom]Unlike Europe, Canada, and Australia - we choose our doctors and dentist. If my doctor sucks and couldn't diagnose me, but I went to a second doctor and he found out what was wrong, I can choose to flip my first doctor the bird and go with the second one. That my friend is the beauty of the US, we have choice. Unlike Canada, Europe, and Australia, you can't. You are stuck with the shitty doctors and dentist because your government says you go to this doctor and that dentist etc. [/citation]

This is incorrect; I can see any doctor I choose, even under the public system.

Don't get me wrong; you do raise some good points in your previous posts though. Just thought I'd call this one out before some 'tard writes in saying "OMG UR WRONG OZ IZ T3H ROOLZ LOL!!!", (thus humiliating all the other Australians here).

 

[r0x0r]

^^forgot to add this is in reference to Australia only. Not sure about Europe and Canada.

EDIT BUTTON PLEASE TOM'S!!!

 

[croc]

[citation][nom]r3t4rd[/nom]I should also say, croc, if you like your mediocre doctors and dentists....that is your choice - wait..you have no choice. Me, I want the best doctor for my family and I choose who what when where why, and pay them for it. Thats also one of the beauty of the US and what our four fathers enstilled long ago. Damnit...I am ranting...aren't I?[/citation]
...Uhh I choose my Dr., and my dentist. And not based on some 'pick list' from the insurance companies, or from some HMO, or whatever you have over there. My Dr. is local, lives in a nice house, and has a good snooker table. We play a few times a month. My dentist just moved out of the neighbourhood, but his office is still local.

Next?

 

[r3t4rd]

[citation][nom]r0x0r[/nom]This is incorrect; I can see any doctor I choose, even under the public system.[/citation]

[citation][nom]croc[/nom]...Uhh I choose my Dr., and my dentist. And not based on some 'pick list' from the insurance companies, or from some HMO, or whatever you have over there. My Dr. is local, lives in a nice house, and has a good snooker table. We play a few times a month. My dentist just moved out of the neighbourhood, but his office is still local.Next?[/citation]

Perhaps I jumped the gun too fast and made Australia out to be like Canada and Europe. Still, the US's HealthCare System is a very good one and has been for generations. Like everything you see and have, there are still flaws. You can't fix everything. Can you make it better? - yes. But to go from what works to what has been proven not to work (Canada and Europe's case), is just ludicrus. Universal Healthcare in most countries have more CONS in the long run and less PROS.

Austrailia is not bad - yet. But what I have read from your own country's news outlets and sources, points to problems in the near future. So, I hope it works for you Ausies....especially you croc. A crushed vertabrae is something not to laugh about.

 

[enforcer22]

[citation][nom]techguy378[/nom]You actually believe the false propoganda that the USA media has been spouting? Nothing the media has said in the past about government run healthcare has any factual basis. Lower income Americans do not have better healthcare than the rest of the world because they can't afford it.[/citation]

they dont have to. where i live if you make under #1200 you get it free. its the people who make between 30k and 50k that dont have it because they cant afford it or get it free.

 

[enforcer22]

o and why do people let apple decide what they can and cant put on thier phone? what makes apple think they even have this power? screw the app store just make a third party site if not already done and get apps there. screw apple.

 

[jellico]

[citation][nom]techguy378[/nom]Maybe you should watch Michael Moore's movie about the sorry state of healthcare in the USA. Everything in it is 100% true. It is not someone's political view or opinion, it only contains facts. All healthcare facilities should be a public service and not a for profit business. Nobody has any right whatsoever to make a profit off of healthcare by doing things like denying people health insurance for pre existing conditions.[/citation]
*Snicker* Ok, I see where you get your "facts" from now. So, out of curiousity, when will you be immigating to Cuba?

 

[jellico]

[citation][nom]longerlife[/nom]"No, censorship would be the deliberate supression of information. Not wanting to associate with something because of its content is a fundamental right of people and companies."Censorship is the removal, blocking or hiding of something, the fact that they will not allow this app is censorship. Having an open app store would NOT mean they are associated with a particular view or ANY view, merely that someone has produced an app with a particular view (otherwise Google could be said to associate itself with every view on the internet). Anyway I am done with this 'debate'... you have all got caught up in your views on healthcare and have ignored the pertinent issue altogether, which is that Apple has unilaterally decided that it can ban an application based on someone's political views. It's not like the app advocated violence or illegal activity...AGAIN: I have no qualified view on America's health care system.[/citation]

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NONE of those definitions apply. As I said before, Apple is a private (not government owned) company, not a government agency. Just as an individual can decide what s/he wants to read or listen to or watch (or not read or listen to or watch), so can a private company decide what products it will and will not carry.

Again: This is not censorship. They are not supressing the information. It is still freely available out there, they just don't want to carry it in their stores. What you saying is analogous to saying that a religious or children's bookstore is practicing censorship for not carrying Playboy or Hustler magazine. Or that an adult bookstore is practicing censorship for not carrying copies of the Bible, or the Book of Mormon, or the Tanakh, or the Torah, or the Qur'an.

 

[r3t4rd]

[citation][nom]jellico[/nom]*Snicker* Ok, I see where you get your "facts" from now. So, out of curiousity, when will you be immigating to Cuba?[/citation]

Second thought about his comment. Either he is truly a sarcastic master or a moron. Even my 5yrs old knows if you fall off a building you won't be flat like the cartoons he watches.

 

[r3t4rd]

Well...its pretty amazing...almost anything people post and say on the blogs, usually turn into a political debate of some sort. Its just human nature. *shrugs*....

 

[Regulas]

"Stanford computer science grad student Red Daily"
If Red wants to spew his Socialist crap, do it somewhere else, good for Apple.

 

[Guest]

Just pitching in... but in Canada [where I live] we get to choose which doctor we go to🙂. And no you do not have as many restrictions as private insurance based systems in US {BTW I lived there and was born there hehehe]. Say major oops... but it seems the well off in US always want to push the poor under the wheels of the train. Makes ya feel good doesn't it ?

 

[orionite]

[citation][nom]r3t4rd[/nom]Perhaps I jumped the gun too fast and made Australia out to be like Canada and Europe. Still, the US's HealthCare System is a very good one and has been for generations. Like everything you see and have, there are still flaws. You can't fix everything. Can you make it better? - yes. But to go from what works to what has been proven not to work (Canada and Europe's case), is just ludicrus. Universal Healthcare in most countries have more CONS in the long run and less PROS. Austrailia is not bad - yet. But what I have read from your own country's news outlets and sources, points to problems in the near future. So, I hope it works for you Ausies....especially you croc. A crushed vertabrae is something not to laugh about.[/citation]

Do you want to exclude Europe from your generalization, as well? Having lived there most of my life, I was able to choose between any number of doctors. In fact, it's the US that I feel is more restrited. You're with Kaiser, you have to go to a Kaiser clinic; you're with BlueShield, you have to go to a BlueShield Dr (if you want to enjoy the full benefits of your HCP)... Where is that free choice?
In Germany for example, doctors charge fees that can be picked up by any insurance company - be they private or public.
Before regurgitating the crap you've been spoon-fed by the media and those greedy liars, we call politicians, you may want to actually inform yourself.
I've had it up to here with this "Land of the free" bs. You US citizens do not enjoy any more freedom than people living in Europe. Get over yourselves, already!

 

[r3t4rd]

[citation][nom]xyxer234[/nom]Just pitching in... but in Canada [where I live] we get to choose which doctor we go to🙂. And no you do not have as many restrictions as private insurance based systems in US {BTW I lived there and was born there hehehe]. Say major oops... but it seems the well off in US always want to push the poor under the wheels of the train. Makes ya feel good doesn't it ?[/citation]
[citation][nom]orionite[/nom]Do you want to exclude Europe from your generalization, as well? Having lived there most of my life, I was able to choose between any number of doctors. In fact, it's the US that I feel is more restrited. You're with Kaiser, you have to go to a Kaiser clinic; you're with BlueShield, you have to go to a BlueShield Dr (if you want to enjoy the full benefits of your HCP)... Where is that free choice?In Germany for example, doctors charge fees that can be picked up by any insurance company - be they private or public.Before regurgitating the crap you've been spoon-fed by the media and those greedy liars, we call politicians, you may want to actually inform yourself.I've had it up to here with this "Land of the free" bs. You US citizens do not enjoy any more freedom than people living in Europe. Get over yourselves, already![/citation]

Again..Google "average wait time for surgery in "Said country"". weeks to months...and some case years? Give me a break. Canadians and Europeans can keep your "Long Wait" for medical attention to yourselves.

Why do sooo many Canadians and Europeans come to the US for medical treatment when they can get it in thier respective country???? Google this: "average foreigners who come to US for medical". Nuff said.

And sorry to say but we HAVE choices. We can choose in network doctors (Bluecross Bluesheild, Aetna, etc), or we can go out of network. So your arguments are pointless. And spoon fed? Wow, I don't think so. The US Media is a farce. How do you think Obama won? And perhaps we both enjoy the same amount of freedom but...wait...why do most of you still come to the US for various reasons and some of you come to live permanently? Pointless arguements.

Sure there are rich people who brush the poor underneath but am I rich? No. I am your average Middle Class american who makes a living and is well off. So just to answer you, our health plans have no restrictions. So again your argument is pointless. Again google all the sources...from what I stated above.

I suppose you guys find it okay if you began poor and mad millions breaking your back only to have your money taxed 40%+. Or in otherwords as our liberal leader says "Sharing wealth". I am sorry, but no. Why should I be forced to give my hard earned millions away (if I had any) to the poor who are too lazy to help themselves and make thier life better? Don't get me wrong there are poor people who try and try. These are the poor people that deserve my hard earned money.

Again you both fail to prove your point. Enough. I could go on and on about this. JUST GOOGLE WHAT IS STATED ABOVE. Peace.

 

[r3t4rd]

Just to add to our fun deliberation, the US's current Senate, House of Representative, Judicial Branch, and White House are a bunch of morons. And on top of that, the Republicans are a smear of what they used to be. Throw them all out I say. Everyone of them.

 

[Guest]

Dear r3t4rd,

You are incorrect on so many levels.

Let me give you some quotes you can search for.

"The U.S. spends much more on health care than Canada"
"In 2006, per-capita spending for health care in Canada was US$3,678,; in the U.S., US$6,714"
"Studies suggest that 40% of US citizens do not have adequate health insurance, if any and that as many as 5% of Canadian citizens have not been able to find a regular doctor"
"In the World Health Organization's ratings of health care system performance among 191 member nations published in 2000, Canada ranked 30th and the U.S. 37th, while the overall health of Canadians was ranked 35th and Americans 72nd"

Do you need more?

One last quote for you.

"Again you fail to prove your point. Enough. I could go on and on about this. JUST GOOGLE WHAT IS STATED ABOVE. Peace."