Replay tv Vs. Tivo

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"John in Detroit" <Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> At least it's working (not only did VCR-1 crash totaly, but the back up
> Maganavox also failed completly... 10 minutes after I got home with a
> Panasonic) I don't know what she's going to do when I plug in a Replay

I keep telling my wife, look, it's very simple. You turn the stereo to
video 1, put the tv on video 2 and then turn on the RTV. This was too much,
so I got a universal remote and programmed all the macros. Hit the RTV
button, everything comes on. Hit it again, and it all goes off.

So, when I fall asleep first, I generally wake up to find the TV on with a
blank screen, the bright blue RTV light staring at me, and the stereo set to
Tape or CD or something.

When we watch a DVD, she hands it to me and says, "here, why don't you set
up the movie." What, like I gotta thread the projector? Again, hit the DVD
button, and it all comes on.

Well, I figured it was just her, but when the DirecTV guy comes for my free
installation of local channels, he asks her "so, how do I get the satellite
menu on the TV," 'cuz he couldn't figure it out. She tells him she can't
even watch TV when I'm not home, so I get on the phone with with him, and I
go, look, it's simple, "you put the stereo on video 1 ...."

So, he finally gets a picture, and starts playing back Bill Maher, but I
finally got him to live TV. Unfortunately, he's stumped at this point, 'cuz
he can't get the setup menu on the screen (and I feel kind of bad for him,
because we had a high temp of 0 Degrees F that day, and my wife said he
froze his ass off adding the new dish), so I said, hey, I'll take care of it
when I get home.

The professional installer's problem? The battery in my seldom-used DirecTV
remote was dead (and they apparently never taught him about the buttons on
the receiver in satellite installation school).

 

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MegaZone wrote:

> Replay did not have these features 'all along' - networking was
> introduced with the 4000 series, it was not on the earlier units.
> TiVo's Series2 units shipped at about the same time as the 4000 and
> were designed for networking too. They didn't receive the software to
> enable it until later, but they have had show sharing (Multi-Room
> Viewing in TiVo speak) for a long time now. ReplayTV has never, and
> still does not, *support* sharing content with a PC. TiVo does, with
> TiVoToGo which started rolling out last month. It works with RTV
> because of the talent behind DVArchive, which is a 3rd party
> application that exploits the weakness in RTV's sharing protocol.

When I became interested in digital video recorders, which was at least
a couple of years ago (I can not give the exact date) Replay, then made
by Sonic Blue, had the features I'm talking about

You say TiFVo started shipping it's "TiVoToGO" last month? I've been
watching recorded shows on this laptop longer than that, and It has been
possible for a long time before that. It is true I can't tell y ou the
exact date

 

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wa8yxm@do.not.spam.arrl.net shaped the electrons to say:
>When I became interested in digital video recorders, which was at least
>a couple of years ago (I can not give the exact date) Replay, then made
>by Sonic Blue, had the features I'm talking about

ReplayTV introduced the 4000 in late 2001, IIRC - the same timeframe
the first TiVo Series2 shipped.

>You say TiFVo started shipping it's "TiVoToGO" last month? I've been
>watching recorded shows on this laptop longer than that, and It has been
>possible for a long time before that. It is true I can't tell y ou the

Yes, TiVoToGo shipped in January of this year. That's the official
support for moving shows to a PC. Now, if you want *unnofficial*
support, there have been 3rd party tools and such to do that since
before ReplayTV had it, you could do it with a Series1 TiVo with a
network card added, and the hacks came to Series2 not long after it
shipped, in 2002. DVArchive appeared in 2002, IIRC, a while after the
4000 shipped and people had time to sort out the streaming protocol.

-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762
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OK, I read through this Replay tv Vs. Tivo.
No one mentioned the one difference in hardware that I notice every
day. The fan is much louder on the 5000. I'm sure the fans are not
identical. It is much louder and runs all the time compared to the
5500 series.



>> At least it's working (not only did VCR-1 crash totaly, but the back up
>> Maganavox also failed completly... 10 minutes after I got home with a
>> Panasonic) I don't know what she's going to do when I plug in a Replay
>
>I keep telling my wife, look, it's very simple. You turn the stereo to
>video 1, put the tv on video 2 and then turn on the RTV. This was too much,
>so I got a universal remote and programmed all the macros. Hit the RTV
>button, everything comes on. Hit it again, and it all goes off.
>
>So, when I fall asleep first, I generally wake up to find the TV on with a
>blank screen, the bright blue RTV light staring at me, and the stereo set to
>Tape or CD or something.
>
>When we watch a DVD, she hands it to me and says, "here, why don't you set
>up the movie." What, like I gotta thread the projector? Again, hit the DVD
>button, and it all comes on.
>
>Well, I figured it was just her, but when the DirecTV guy comes for my free
>installation of local channels, he asks her "so, how do I get the satellite
>menu on the TV," 'cuz he couldn't figure it out. She tells him she can't
>even watch TV when I'm not home, so I get on the phone with with him, and I
>go, look, it's simple, "you put the stereo on video 1 ...."
>
>So, he finally gets a picture, and starts playing back Bill Maher, but I
>finally got him to live TV. Unfortunately, he's stumped at this point, 'cuz
>he can't get the setup menu on the screen (and I feel kind of bad for him,
>because we had a high temp of 0 Degrees F that day, and my wife said he
>froze his ass off adding the new dish), so I said, hey, I'll take care of it
>when I get home.
>
>The professional installer's problem? The battery in my seldom-used DirecTV
>remote was dead (and they apparently never taught him about the buttons on
>the receiver in satellite installation school).

 

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nospamcoming@me.com wrote:
>
> OK, I read through this Replay tv Vs. Tivo.
> No one mentioned the one difference in hardware that I notice every
> day. The fan is much louder on the 5000. I'm sure the fans are not
> identical. It is much louder and runs all the time compared to the
> 5500 series.

The 5500 employs the later revision of motherboard. There are several mb
revisions over the years. Later 5000s and all 5500s have a fan which is
thermostatically controlled. There is a thermistor on the mb where older
models have a jumper. Older models thus have the fan run all the time,
while later ones have a fan which starts after the system boots and
speeds up depending on temp. Since 5ks are not very hot unless enclosed,
the 5500 fan never really revs up. Some people add a resistor in series
with the older mb units, but it doesn't bother me and I have 3 5ks 10 ft
away.

 

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MegaZone wrote:

> Yes, TiVoToGo shipped in January of this year. That's the official
> support for moving shows to a PC. Now, if you want *unnofficial*
> support, there have been 3rd party tools and such to do that since
> before ReplayTV had it, you could do it with a Series1 TiVo with a
> network card added, and the hacks came to Series2 not long after it
> shipped, in 2002. DVArchive appeared in 2002, IIRC, a while after the
> 4000 shipped and people had time to sort out the streaming protocol.

Ah, You could do it.... WIth a warranty voiding screwdriver

I did not need a screwdriver and all warranty seals are intactc

 

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I have a total of eight 5000 units between two homes and the fan is
inaudible on all of them. Maybe you have a bad fan?

From:nospamcoming@me.com
nospamcoming@me.com

> OK, I read through this Replay tv Vs. Tivo.
> No one mentioned the one difference in hardware that I notice every
> day. The fan is much louder on the 5000. I'm sure the fans are not
> identical. It is much louder and runs all the time compared to the
> 5500 series.
>
>
>
>>> At least it's working (not only did VCR-1 crash totaly, but the
>>> back up Maganavox also failed completly... 10 minutes after I got
>>> home with a Panasonic) I don't know what she's going to do when I
>>> plug in a Replay
>>
>> I keep telling my wife, look, it's very simple. You turn the stereo
>> to video 1, put the tv on video 2 and then turn on the RTV. This
>> was too much, so I got a universal remote and programmed all the
>> macros. Hit the RTV button, everything comes on. Hit it again, and
>> it all goes off.
>>
>> So, when I fall asleep first, I generally wake up to find the TV on
>> with a blank screen, the bright blue RTV light staring at me, and
>> the stereo set to Tape or CD or something.
>>
>> When we watch a DVD, she hands it to me and says, "here, why don't
>> you set up the movie." What, like I gotta thread the projector?
>> Again, hit the DVD button, and it all comes on.
>>
>> Well, I figured it was just her, but when the DirecTV guy comes for
>> my free installation of local channels, he asks her "so, how do I
>> get the satellite menu on the TV," 'cuz he couldn't figure it out.
>> She tells him she can't even watch TV when I'm not home, so I get on
>> the phone with with him, and I go, look, it's simple, "you put the
>> stereo on video 1 ...."
>>
>> So, he finally gets a picture, and starts playing back Bill Maher,
>> but I finally got him to live TV. Unfortunately, he's stumped at
>> this point, 'cuz he can't get the setup menu on the screen (and I
>> feel kind of bad for him, because we had a high temp of 0 Degrees F
>> that day, and my wife said he froze his ass off adding the new
>> dish), so I said, hey, I'll take care of it when I get home.
>>
>> The professional installer's problem? The battery in my seldom-used
>> DirecTV remote was dead (and they apparently never taught him about
>> the buttons on the receiver in satellite installation school).

 

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wa8yxm@do.not.spam.arrl.net shaped the electrons to say:
>I did not need a screwdriver and all warranty seals are intactc

Like it matters - I believe both RTV and TiVo have 90 day warranty
periods.

-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762
--
<URL:mailto:megazoneatmegazone.org> Gweep, Discordian, Author, Engineer, me.
"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-755-4098
<URL:http/www.megazone.org/> <URL:http/www.eyrie-productions.com/> Eris

 

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MegaZone wrote:
> wa8yxm@do.not.spam.arrl.net shaped the electrons to say:
>
>>I did not need a screwdriver and all warranty seals are intactc
>
>
> Like it matters - I believe both RTV and TiVo have 90 day warranty
> periods.

Perhaps in your house, However "You may have other rights which vary
from state to state" You should find out exactly what that statement
means in YOUR state. alas, I'm not a lawyer, and since telling you what
it means would be giving legal advice, I am thus prohibited from
explaining further (The only legal advice we were allowed to give back
when I worked for the police was "Call/Ask an attorney", or "Look it up"
I had one guy one day were he just insisted I give him legal
information, I had told him to call an attorney, I finally got to the
point where I said "Sir, if you were to ask me what time it is I'd tell
you to call an attorney, do you wish to continue?" and he got the idea

However, you should learn what your rights are, which vary from state to
state, where YOU live (They also vary from country to country

 

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On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 21:16:33 -0500, Tony D <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

>nospamcoming@me.com wrote:
>>
>> OK, I read through this Replay tv Vs. Tivo.
>> No one mentioned the one difference in hardware that I notice every
>> day. The fan is much louder on the 5000. I'm sure the fans are not
>> identical. It is much louder and runs all the time compared to the
>> 5500 series.
>
>The 5500 employs the later revision of motherboard. There are several mb
>revisions over the years. Later 5000s and all 5500s have a fan which is
>thermostatically controlled. There is a thermistor on the mb where older
>models have a jumper. Older models thus have the fan run all the time,
>while later ones have a fan which starts after the system boots and
>speeds up depending on temp. Since 5ks are not very hot unless enclosed,
>the 5500 fan never really revs up. Some people add a resistor in series
>with the older mb units, but it doesn't bother me and I have 3 5ks 10 ft
>away.

A fan that turns on and off would be MORE disturbing than one that
runs constantly, particularly when in a quiet place such as a bedroom.
Controlling fan SPEED would still reduce noise, maybe that's what it's
doing.

BTW, I once spent a few nights with someone who keeps the AC fan
running all the time. The only time it ever woke me up was when it
stopped because of a power failure.

However, the soultion I always use is don't put the Replay in the
bedroom. You'd still need some remote control solution. I'm currently
using a RF remote (MX-800). Previously, I used the Xantech system that
uses the cables.

--
Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http/notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh

 

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Mark Lloyd wrote:

>
> BTW, I once spent a few nights with someone who keeps the AC fan
> running all the time. The only time it ever woke me up was when it
> stopped because of a power failure.
>
> However, the soultion I always use is don't put the Replay in the
> bedroom. You'd still need some remote control solution. I'm currently
> using a RF remote (MX-800). Previously, I used the Xantech system that
> uses the cables.

I use the DVarchive system, it also uses cables (and a laptop computer
net to the bed)

Your observations about fans that fun full time is correct, any sound
that is constant, tends to be filtered by your brain during sleep and
you are not bothered by it. Note the phrase "Tends To" Some sounds are
either so loud, or have other "elements" which will insure you do hear them

 

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On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:42:17 GMT, John in Detroit
<Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Mark Lloyd wrote:
>
>>
>> BTW, I once spent a few nights with someone who keeps the AC fan
>> running all the time. The only time it ever woke me up was when it
>> stopped because of a power failure.
>>
>> However, the soultion I always use is don't put the Replay in the
>> bedroom. You'd still need some remote control solution. I'm currently
>> using a RF remote (MX-800). Previously, I used the Xantech system that
>> uses the cables.
>
>I use the DVarchive system, it also uses cables (and a laptop computer
>net to the bed)
>

Yes, DVArchive and a computer network is one way to solve the remote
control problem. It even works with multiple Replays. I don't always
want to have a computer running everywhere I want to be able to
control the Replay. A computer has fans too. I do have a computer in
my bedroom, but turn it off at night because of the noise.

>Your observations about fans that fun full time is correct, any sound
>that is constant, tends to be filtered by your brain during sleep and
>you are not bothered by it. Note the phrase "Tends To" Some sounds are
>either so loud, or have other "elements" which will insure you do hear them

The sound of a fan running steadily is one that should be easy to get
used to. A lot easier than one electric clock I knew of. It didn't
sound like ticking at all. It sounded like wheezing (getting louder
2-4 times a minute).


--
Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http/notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh

 

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Mark Lloyd wrote:

> Yes, DVArchive and a computer network is one way to solve the remote
> control problem. It even works with multiple Replays. I don't always
> want to have a computer running everywhere I want to be able to
> control the Replay. A computer has fans too. I do have a computer in
> my bedroom, but turn it off at night because of the noise.

The fan on this thinkpad is so quite I can not tell if it's running, I
have to use detectors to check for air flow. That's the only way I can
see tell if it's running.

What is needed is an even smaller version of DV-Archive's remote control
(Gerry are you watching) this would work with wi-fi/bluetooth equiped
hand held hardware of the "Palm Pilot" category (Alas, only selected
palms have bt/wi-fi ability, usually as an add-on)