Replay tv Vs. Tivo

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I'm considering getting a DVR and am confused by the many options. I
have Directv and am not sure if I should get a directv DVR with tivo, a
stand alone tivo unit, or replay tv. I noticed shop at home network had
some replay tv units very cheap last week but was not sure if the replay
service was as good or better than tivo. Can anyone help?

 

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On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:44:04 -0500, soxfan98@webtv.net wrote:

>I'm considering getting a DVR and am confused by the many options. I
>have Directv and am not sure if I should get a directv DVR with tivo, a
>stand alone tivo unit, or replay tv. I noticed shop at home network had
>some replay tv units very cheap last week but was not sure if the replay
>service was as good or better than tivo. Can anyone help?

The ReplayTV is more versatile, and integrated units (like directv
DVR) are less versatile. The 55xx Replays do lack a couple of features
of the earlier 5xxx units, but are still preferable to those others.

The only exception would be if you need a HD-compatible unit, since
Replay still doesn't make those.

--
Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http/notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"It is a curious thing that every creed promises a
paradise which will be absolutely uninhabitable for
anyone of civilized taste." -- Evelyn Waugh

 

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Given that you've come to the Replay TV newsgroup you'll find that we're
mostly RTV cheerleaders here. I love the 7 RTV units I have but then I
have the older and more feature rich 5000 series rather than the
crippled and more TIVOlike 5500 series. If you can find a 5040 - 5320
model on ebay, buy it!

From:soxfan98@webtv.net
soxfan98@webtv.net

> I'm considering getting a DVR and am confused by the many options. I
> have Directv and am not sure if I should get a directv DVR with tivo,
> a stand alone tivo unit, or replay tv. I noticed shop at home network
> had some replay tv units very cheap last week but was not sure if the
> replay service was as good or better than tivo. Can anyone help?

 

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I've had both in the last two months, and I'd have to agree that the
replay is much more user-friendly. If you already have Directv, the
cost of only $5.00 a month activation and feeding both LNB outputs to
the unit really influenced my decision to go with the Directv/tivo
model. Pros are cost and being able to watch a different channel than
you are recording, without having to split anything. Con, no ethernet,
no convienent 30 sec commerial advance and a confusing control setup.


On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 17:16:25 -0600, Mark Lloyd
<mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote:

>On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:44:04 -0500, soxfan98@webtv.net wrote:
>
>>I'm considering getting a DVR and am confused by the many options. I
>>have Directv and am not sure if I should get a directv DVR with tivo, a
>>stand alone tivo unit, or replay tv. I noticed shop at home network had
>>some replay tv units very cheap last week but was not sure if the replay
>>service was as good or better than tivo. Can anyone help?
>
>The ReplayTV is more versatile, and integrated units (like directv
>DVR) are less versatile. The 55xx Replays do lack a couple of features
>of the earlier 5xxx units, but are still preferable to those others.
>
>The only exception would be if you need a HD-compatible unit, since
>Replay still doesn't make those.

 

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> The reason I call it "more TIVOlike" is because it lacks the main
> features that distinguish it from TIVO.
> As for the importance of the two features, that of course, is
> subjective. I do find myself receiving or sending shows on a regular
> basis through Poopli and I REALLY do appreciate the automatic Commercial
> Advance just as I had on my RCA/Proscan VHS machines for the last 12
> years.

Removing IVS and making CA manual hardly make a Replay "TIVOlike". Tivo
couldn't even dream of the utility of Replays' networking, DVArchive,
and the web interface.

 

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In article <cJgNd.7425$e11.3611@twister.socal.rr.com>,
"BruceR" <brNOSPAM@hawaii.com> wrote:

> No "Elmo," I stand by what I said. The 5500 is a crippled 5000 for
> exactly the two reasons you mentioned.

That doesn't make it "crippled" by any means. IVS is fun but
impractical, and while AUTOMATIC commercial advance is great and I use
it all the time, manual commercial advance is MUCH better than Tivo's
VCR-like fast forward, for example.

It's not like Tivo at all.



> The reason I call it "more TIVOlike" is because it lacks the main
> features that distinguish it from TIVO.

Main features? Let's see: commercial markers for commercial
advance--winner: Replay. Built in home networking--winner: Replay.
DVArchive to take full advantage of the networking--winner: Replay. 30
second QuickSkip--winner: Replay.

All of these things are on both the 5000 and 5500 series of Replays, and
not at all on Tivo. Now, tell the world again how the 5500 is more
Tivo-like?

The 5500 is not at all Tivo-like compared to the 5000 series. We're
talking exactly TWO differences, both of which are extremely esoteric
compared to the Tivo. Tivo doesn't even come close to the functionality
of the Replay, with or without those two features.

 

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>
> That doesn't make it "crippled" by any means. IVS is fun but
> impractical,

It would be hard to convince the 5000+ people on Poopli.

> and while AUTOMATIC commercial advance is great and I use
> it all the time, manual commercial advance is MUCH better than Tivo's
> VCR-like fast forward, for example.
>

I absolutely cannot see how people can use that dumb interface compared
to Replay's ability to move instantly to any point in a show or menu. I
once read a letter to the editor concerning a test report between a
Corvette and a Porsche 911. They were screaming about how close the
numbers were and how the report was biased because they choose the
Porsche despite the results being "the same". The editor replied "only
if you're sitting in a bucket of novocaine".

 

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Point taken, I didn't mean to imply that it became a TIVO but just had
less to distinguish itself from TIVO. I'd still buy a 5500 over a TIVO
but would always opt for a 5000 even if it's used.

From:Tony D
nospam@nospam.com

>> The reason I call it "more TIVOlike" is because it lacks the main
>> features that distinguish it from TIVO.
>> As for the importance of the two features, that of course, is
>> subjective. I do find myself receiving or sending shows on a regular
>> basis through Poopli and I REALLY do appreciate the automatic
>> Commercial Advance just as I had on my RCA/Proscan VHS machines for
>> the last 12 years.
>
> Removing IVS and making CA manual hardly make a Replay "TIVOlike".
> Tivo couldn't even dream of the utility of Replays' networking,
> DVArchive, and the web interface.

 

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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

>
> The 5500 has neither of those. However, it still marks commercial
> breaks;
>

Does it? So, if I receive a show that came from a 5500, will it skip
commercials when I play it back on a 5000? How about if I record it on
a 5500 and then watch it though a networked 5000? I have a 5500 on the
way and while it's simple enough to skip ahead, it would still be cool
to get CA via the other box.

 

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In article <L1pNd.25078$8H2.5452@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
pjs <pjs@_pjsdesigns.com> wrote:

> > The 5500 has neither of those. However, it still marks commercial
> > breaks;
> >
>
> Does it? So, if I receive a show that came from a 5500, will it skip
> commercials when I play it back on a 5000?

Received through IVS? It should, if everything came over with that show.


> How about if I record it on
> a 5500 and then watch it though a networked 5000?

Yep.

 

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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <L1pNd.25078$8H2.5452@twister.nyroc.rr.com>,
> pjs <pjs@_pjsdesigns.com> wrote:

>>How about if I record it on
>>a 5500 and then watch it though a networked 5000?
>
>
> Yep.
>

Cool. My wife *hates* commercials, and when I let her use the remote,
she just keeps stabbing at the 30-second button until we're a couple
minutes into the actual show (drives me nuts; I've tried to explain the
press 3 and then the skip to jump three minutes but...).

The couple of times I've tried the scene navigation, it's jumped to the
end of the show, so I haven't played with it much.

 

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soxfan98@webtv.net wrote:
> I'm considering getting a DVR and am confused by the many options. I
> have Directv and am not sure if I should get a directv DVR with tivo, a
> stand alone tivo unit, or replay tv. I noticed shop at home network had
> some replay tv units very cheap last week but was not sure if the replay
> service was as good or better than tivo. Can anyone help?
>

Well, in all the basics the difference between RePlay and Tivo might
well not be noticed... But only in the basics, both allow you to
schedule recordings, pause, rewind, fastforward (up to "live" can't fast
forward past "live") and so forth.

Replay allows you to local network 2 or more units together, one or more
of those units may be a computer running a java program called DVARCHIVE

Older (50xx and older) units also do internet video sharing, sending
shows OVER the net, ifyou wish and allow. (55xxs won't do that)

The ability to control my Replay with my computer, from a different
room, or (Given enough warning) to schedule a show to record from...
Well, just about anywhere in the world (Via the web) and the ability to
share between models of the same family (50/55 in my case) made all the
difference in the world, Replay has had these features all along, TiVo
is starting to get the idea.

That is why I choose Replay

 

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OK, Elmo, you're absolutely right. The 5500 is every bit as good as the
5000. Want to trade me your now used 5000 for a brand new, in the box
5500 with a larger drive with whatever subscription plan you now have?
Unless your answer is an enthusiastic "yes!" my point is made. BTW, if
you do say "yes," be prepared to do it.

From:Elmo P. Shagnasty
elmop@nastydesigns.com

> In article <cJgNd.7425$e11.3611@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "BruceR" <brNOSPAM@hawaii.com> wrote:
>
>> No "Elmo," I stand by what I said. The 5500 is a crippled 5000 for
>> exactly the two reasons you mentioned.
>
> That doesn't make it "crippled" by any means. IVS is fun but
> impractical, and while AUTOMATIC commercial advance is great and I use
> it all the time, manual commercial advance is MUCH better than Tivo's
> VCR-like fast forward, for example.
>
> It's not like Tivo at all.
>
>
>
>> The reason I call it "more TIVOlike" is because it lacks the main
>> features that distinguish it from TIVO.
>
> Main features? Let's see: commercial markers for commercial
> advance--winner: Replay. Built in home networking--winner: Replay.
> DVArchive to take full advantage of the networking--winner: Replay.
> 30 second QuickSkip--winner: Replay.
>
> All of these things are on both the 5000 and 5500 series of Replays,
> and not at all on Tivo. Now, tell the world again how the 5500 is
> more Tivo-like?
>
> The 5500 is not at all Tivo-like compared to the 5000 series. We're
> talking exactly TWO differences, both of which are extremely esoteric
> compared to the Tivo. Tivo doesn't even come close to the
> functionality of the Replay, with or without those two features.

 

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In article <TPzNd.8612$WD4.5899@twister.socal.rr.com>,
"BruceR" <brNOSPAM@hawaii.com> wrote:

> I never said ANY of that.

Any of what?

Here's what you said:

In article <uUbNd.8184$WD4.2041@twister.socal.rr.com>,
"BruceR" <brNOSPAM@hawaii.com> wrote:

> I love the 7 RTV units I have but then I
> have the older and more feature rich 5000 series rather than the
> crippled and more TIVOlike 5500 series.

More TIVOlike how?

We went on to explain to you how the 5500 is nowhere near "more
TIVOlike" as you claimed, and how the "crippling" is exactly 2 features.

I repeat: I'll give you a Tivo with full subscription in exchange for
your Replay 5500 with no subscription. If the 5500 is more TIVOlike as
you say, you shouldn't have any problem with that deal, right? You'd
get a full paid-up subscription out of it, and a box that's like the
Replay. Right? That's what you said.

The fact is, the 5500 is NOT "more TIVOlike" any more than my
grandmother is. It's 5000-like, with two missing features. Period. It
still has everything the 5000 has with regard to scheduling shows,
sharing shows inside your house, using DVArchive, using myreplaytv.com,
etc.--a whole SLEW of things that are no more TIVOlike than is a VCR.

 

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Tony D wrote:

> I absolutely cannot see how people can use that dumb interface compared
> to Replay's ability to move instantly to any point in a show or menu. I
> once read a letter to the editor concerning a test report between a
> Corvette and a Porsche 911. They were screaming about how close the
> numbers were and how the report was biased because they choose the
> Porsche despite the results being "the same". The editor replied "only
> if you're sitting in a bucket of novocaine".

ROFL

So, The VCR make my wife prefers Auto equivalent YUGO

The VCR Make I replaced her last "Yugo" with Hum... Chevy Lumina

Tivo... Mustang

Replay Porsch 911 Or perhaps a Testarosa (If I've spelled it right)
(That is not a porsch folks, it's all engine and fuel tank with 2 seats
and a few controls_

By the way ... Gave you read the write up on the new Ford "Go-Fast" car ?

You buy very expensive tires for that one cause the regular kind I have
on my Lumina... Well, they are only rated to 150 MPH and the new Ford
(As well as the top end Porsch and a few others) can slap 200MPH ON THE
WAY UP!!!!!. Now, there is fast, and there is faster, and that's WAY
TOO FAST unless you are a jet jockey flying an F-14 or some such

 

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pjs wrote:

> Cool. My wife *hates* commercials, and when I let her use the remote,
> she just keeps stabbing at the 30-second button until we're a couple
> minutes into the actual show (drives me nuts; I've tried to explain the
> press 3 and then the skip to jump three minutes but...).
>
> The couple of times I've tried the scene navigation, it's jumped to the
> end of the show, so I haven't played with it much.

Hey.... We married to the same wife?????

I won a 5040 on E-bay last month, paid of it on the 25th, Filed a
complaint with Pay Pal when it did not arrive (they impounded the funds)
and there was no contact with the seller (taht got his attention) he
blamed e-mail problems on my end (not) and then sent me a tracking
number for another package then apologized and sent me another tracking
number which says on Jan 27 it was received by the post office in CA
and, as of last check, it was still there. I'm not holding my breath.
Pay Pal IS holding my money (They have not released it to him)

However, Last night I had to go out and buy an USB hard drive. (The one
I had works,,, but it would not work for restorign a chrashed laptop)

While I was there I picked up a cheap Panasonic VCR (Beats the tapes out
of the Maganavox she was using plus the remote won't touch the other VCR
in the room)

Had a terrible time explaining to wife it was a VCR in spite of the big
3 inch high letters on the package..... Oh well.

At least it's working (not only did VCR-1 crash totaly, but the back up
Maganavox also failed completly... 10 minutes after I got home with a
Panasonic) I don't know what she's going to do when I plug in a Replay

 

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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> shaped the electrons to say:
>Main features? Let's see: commercial markers for commercial
>advance--winner: Replay. Built in home networking--winner: Replay.
>DVArchive to take full advantage of the networking--winner: Replay. 30
>second QuickSkip--winner: Replay.
>
>All of these things are on both the 5000 and 5500 series of Replays, and
>not at all on Tivo. Now, tell the world again how the 5500 is more
>Tivo-like?

TiVoToGo - officially supported, DVArchive - not officially
supported. Yes, DVArchive has more features today, but that's
changing over time. JavaHMO already provides a number of features to
TiVo that you can't get on RTV.

TiVoHME (developer release today) - nothing at all like it for RTV

QuickSkip - TiVo has it too. Oh, so you have to turn it on, whoopee.

Music playback over network--winner: TiVo.
Photo viewing over network--winner: TiVo.

>compared to the Tivo. Tivo doesn't even come close to the functionality
>of the Replay, with or without those two features.

How many times do we need to have this dance. TiVo does things RTV
does not do, RTV does things Tivo does not do. Claiming one 'doesn't
even come close' to the other is idiotic. It all depends on what
you're needs and wants are.

*Personally* RTV does NOT do what I want, and TiVo does - so the
choice is clear. I use TiVo's Wishlists a lot, and RTV still doesn't
have the same level of support. I also use music playback, which RTV
doesn't have.

There is also the fact that TiVo is still a platform being developed
and expanded - witness the recent HME launch - while RTV hasn't had an
update in ages, and it doesn't appear that DNNA is still doing any
development for RTV.

If you want to get into different platforms, you also have DVD
playback and recording with TiVo and not RTV.

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> TiVoToGo - officially supported, DVArchive - not officially
> supported. Yes, DVArchive has more features today, but that's
> changing over time.
> TiVoHME (developer release today) - nothing at all like it for RTV
>
"officially supported" who cares.
and vaporware does not count.

> QuickSkip - TiVo has it too. Oh, so you have to turn it on, whoopee.

The Tivo hack is in no way comparable to the elaborate cue and revue
features of replays.

>
> Music playback over network--winner: TiVo.
> Photo viewing over network--winner: TiVo.
> *Personally* RTV does NOT do what I want, and TiVo does -

"Personally", I want a PVR that that can time shift and distribute
programs through out the house with an interface that allows near
instant navigation in playback and menu structures. Now the Tivo does
this, Replay does that have valid points, but none of them obscure the
basic operations. Your Beetle may float longer than an Accord, and hence
be a better boat, but I'd rather commute every day in the Accord.

> There is also the fact that TiVo is still a platform being developed
> and expanded - witness the recent HME launch - while RTV hasn't had an
> update in ages, and it doesn't appear that DNNA is still doing any
> development for RTV.

Again, don't give us the latest Tivo press releases. Let us know when it
comes out. And if you want to know DNNAs plans, just read their
corporate reports instead of making things up. Given Tivo's track
record, I'd bet you'll be able to buy a HD Replay before Tivo.


> If you want to get into different platforms, you also have DVD
> playback and recording with TiVo and not RTV.
>
Right. And all of these combo units are DRM hobbled kludges. And Tivo,
in an attempt to stay alive, is firmly in bed with the content suppliers.

 

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wa8yxm@do.not.spam.arrl.net shaped the electrons to say:
>difference in the world, Replay has had these features all along, TiVo
>is starting to get the idea.

Replay did not have these features 'all along' - networking was
introduced with the 4000 series, it was not on the earlier units.
TiVo's Series2 units shipped at about the same time as the 4000 and
were designed for networking too. They didn't receive the software to
enable it until later, but they have had show sharing (Multi-Room
Viewing in TiVo speak) for a long time now. ReplayTV has never, and
still does not, *support* sharing content with a PC. TiVo does, with
TiVoToGo which started rolling out last month. It works with RTV
because of the talent behind DVArchive, which is a 3rd party
application that exploits the weakness in RTV's sharing protocol.

TiVo does things RTV doesn't do, and vice-versa. Which one is better
for a given user depends on what they want to do.

But TiVo is also closing the gap with RTV - over the course of this
year they will be adding features to the new Home Media Engine SDK,
including exposing the DVR functionality. That should allow
reproducing the remote control features of DVArchive, and more.
Official support for moving video *to* a TiVo is also being added.
RTV's feature set has been stagnant for a long time, and the
advantages they've enjoyed are being whittled away over time.

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"You'dget a full paid-up subscription out of it, and a box that's like
the
Replay. Right? That's what you said."

NO, That's NOT what I said. I NEVER said the RTV is just like a TIVO. I
ONLY said it's _more_ TIVOlike meaning it's not the same as the 5000
series in that it's missing the two features that I (that's me and not
you) feel are very important and are a major distinction between the 2
units. No, I do not want a TIVO, nor do I want a 5500. I have six 5000
series here and two in my other home so I'm quite well stocked right now
thanks.
Answer this one question: If a 5040 and a 5540 were sitting next to each
other on the shelf at Costco and both were the same price, which would
buy?



From:Elmo P. Shagnasty
elmop@nastydesigns.com

> In article <TPzNd.8612$WD4.5899@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "BruceR" <brNOSPAM@hawaii.com> wrote:
>
>> I never said ANY of that.
>
> Any of what?
>
> Here's what you said:
>
> In article <uUbNd.8184$WD4.2041@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> "BruceR" <brNOSPAM@hawaii.com> wrote:
>
>> I love the 7 RTV units I have but then I
>> have the older and more feature rich 5000 series rather than the
>> crippled and more TIVOlike 5500 series.
>
> More TIVOlike how?
>
> We went on to explain to you how the 5500 is nowhere near "more
> TIVOlike" as you claimed, and how the "crippling" is exactly 2
> features.
>
> I repeat: I'll give you a Tivo with full subscription in exchange for
> your Replay 5500 with no subscription. If the 5500 is more TIVOlike
> as you say, you shouldn't have any problem with that deal, right?
> You'd get a full paid-up subscription out of it, and a box that's
> like the Replay. Right? That's what you said.
>
> The fact is, the 5500 is NOT "more TIVOlike" any more than my
> grandmother is. It's 5000-like, with two missing features. Period.
> It still has everything the 5000 has with regard to scheduling shows,
> sharing shows inside your house, using DVArchive, using
> myreplaytv.com, etc.--a whole SLEW of things that are no more
> TIVOlike than is a VCR.