Sager NP7338 vs Lenovo Y50

Gaming and everything Laptop, both the same price and spec, expect the screen.

  • 15" Lenovo Y50

    Votes: 1 33.3%
  • 13" Sager NP7338

    Votes: 2 66.7%

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th3anyk3y

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All things being equal, I can get either of these Laptops for the same price, spec'd out the exact same.

Only difference being one is 13" and the other is 15".

So the question is, which is going to make me happy :).

I have a Toshiba R500, which is a 12" ultrabook, that i use for web browsing and movies in bed, that I love but has reached its end of life.

Will the 13" NP7338 be sufficient for gaming? Or will the Y50 be much more enjoyable?

I've been racking my brain on this for weeks, probably months now. And the final defining moment is, 13" vs 15"
 

th3anyk3y

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I might have to wait till we get a few Y50 reviews. I've almost bought it twice now. The Sagers all seem so rock solid, everyone loves them, and Lenovo is a little hit and miss.
 

Renegade95

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I am in the same boat.
I personally, most likely, will get the np7338.
You have to keep in mind that the Sager has a 6 hour battery that can be swapped for an addition 6 hour battery.
This is quite impressive when compared to the 4 hour max un-swappable battery by Lenovo.
In addition, the 13" is a lot more portable. 4.6lbs vs 5.7+lbs is a difference if you carry the laptop everywhere.
I have never heard anything bad about Sager, other than the fact that they don't always respond to customers.
Their build quality is good, their components are high end, and they last as long as macbooks (5-6 years).
I will be purchasing a dock, a 24" tv, a keyboard and mouse for when I am home.
I need the battery life for conferences and to get through my classes without having to find an outlet.
While I would love a touchscreen, I just see more options with the Sager.
How often will you need to use the touchscreen, and will you even notice that you are missing it?
Also, the sager will have a I7 4810, which is noticeably faster than the 4700.
Just my$.02, but I think I will be very happy with the np7338
 

Renegade95

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Where are you getting your figures?
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Clevo-W230SS-Schenker-XMG-P304-Barebones-Notebook.113676.0.html
This in depth review shows that the battery lasts 6 hours without wifi, and 5 hours streaming HD movies.
The 2.5-4 hour quote you have is actually for the previous generation np7330.
The y50 has a 5 hour battery max rated by Lenovo, which generally equates to less in real time.
Lenovo's y510 rated at 5 hours only lasts 3 hours in real time.
I agree with the gaming bottleneck. But this system can be used for much more than gaming, and a faster processor will allow the user to do more.
While this performance boost won't be obvious, it is definitely better in a side by side comparison.
This sager is as bulky as my current laptop at 1.3".
In comparison to the Lenovo, it is slightly bigger in terms of volume, but unnoticeable.
The extra battery is .72 pounds. 4.6+.72=5.32 pounds which is still lighter than the Lenovo at 5.3-7 pounds.
One is slightly smaller while the other is slightly heavier.
However, with 10 hours of watching HD Video you will not have to charge your computer during the day.
To me, this is an advantage worth mentioning.
The only advantage worth mentioning from Lenovo is the touchscreen, which is not used in games, reduces battery life, and is not always wanted.

I highly suggest that you read the notebookcheck review as it is full of insightful information.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Clevo-W230SS-Schenker-XMG-P304-Barebones-Notebook.113676.0.html
 

Renegade95

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http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/707912-clevo-laptop-build-quality.html
https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?19655-Clevo-Build-Quality
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1700515/msi-sager-clevo-gigabyte-origin-alienware-razer.html
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1745115
All these sites say the same thing. The build quality of Lenovo is comparable to the build quality of Apple.
There is no comparing the quality. However, Sager/Clevo is by no means a flimsy half throughout design.
The build quality is decent and can last many years if taken care of.
Every laptop has to compromise in some way. You just have to choose which compromises you are willing to make.
This sager's only compromises include:
-Less attractive build
-Thicker Chassis
The build quality of the np7330 is great with only cosmetic wear, which has been solved in this generation.
They are inexpensive because they are built for performance.
As I posted in one of the big threads recently, a Sager is kind of like a Lotus Elise. Light on the carpet and cup holders, but carves up a racetrack like a boss. Despite its weak points it's not a fragile machine by any means. The hinge design seems solid, and the styling of these latest models really does justice to the fairly meaty proportions. It might not be everyone's cup of tea though – it's an enthusiast's machine after all.
 

TechnicalJargon95

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You need to start reading this person's posts. Your arguments are flawed with basic errors because you refuse to believe his/her opinion is valid, and you don't take the time to really read what they are saying.
1: The Sager was reported 5 hours of battery while streaming HD content. That is amazing battery life. What are you comparing this to?
2: The Lenovo y510 was reported to have a 3 hour battery by consumers. This should be slightly better than the y50~ 4 w/o wifi
3: Those sites are the most reputable forums out there. They are the most common and full of unbiased customer reviews.
4: They never compared the sager to apple. Rather they say that the Lenovo is closest to apple, but the sager isn't pure crap either.
5: Apple's build quality is untouchable. There's no laptop that can be rated as highly based on peripherals, sparing Razer of course.

I own laptops through most of the manufacturers. I own three of the sager's from this generation, this one included.
I have to say that I agree with what Renegade95 is actually saying, the build quality is no where close to apple, and the peripherals are not as good as lenovo.
However, this does not mean that you are making compromise. Remember, this is a higher end system that will be better than any $900 system.
In reviews from HTWingnut we can see that there's no keyboard flex unlike many other low end laptops. This is not low quality.
We can also see the while the touch-pad is not the greatest, it is certainly manageable for a laptop, being that it is not Apple.
I also have to agree that the laptop does not feel bulky. Rather the heaviness in a small laptop makes it feel like it's of higher quality.
I've already given my point of view on the laptop battery. Sure, compare it apple. But this is a GAMING LAPTOP. This is the best battery out there!
Aesthetics is a matter of personal opinion. I personally find the system very attractive, without screaming that it is a gaming laptop.
Finally, the one point I agree on. The customer service is horrible, unless you go through a retailer who can contact them for you. XoticPC is great!
Start reading everyone's input, regardless of personal opinion.
If you want to talk about compromise, then compare it to other gaming laptops in the 1000-1500 price range.
Compare it to one of these:
Lenovo y50 1,299 - only contender
MSI GS60 Gost 003 $1,087 - Too thin, it has a lot of flex in the screen.
Gigabyte p34g v2 $1,499 - Looks horrible with the disk drive in the front and reported to have horrible build quality.
Razer Blade 14 (2013), 1,499 - Looks Great! Great Build Quality! Last generation GPU with %30 less performance
Asus M14x $1,499 - overpriced Dell laptop, Thick, Heavy, and basic components
 

th3anyk3y

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Wow, this is in tents.

As far as I can tell, Sager is great. Everyone loves them, they just don't look like an Apple or Razer products, but the new Black Soft Rubber is pretty sexy to me. As for price, I'm in Canada, we have a company called Eurocom that resells Clevo/Sager and for the exact same spec's of the W230SS and the Y50 the price difference is about $5. So this is not the issue. As for the others, I'd love a P34Gv2 but damn is it a lot more for the same specs, minus a pound and a half of weight.

I've been going back and forth on both for quite some time now. I'm still going to wait for an actual hands-on review of the Y50. It's a full refresh, so no idea what it will actually be like. The W230SS is just a simple refresh and from everything I've read the W230ST was great.
I was really hoping to get past the spec's though and find out what people think of gaming on a 13" screen compared to a 15". The weight seems about equal for what you'd expect a 13" and a 15" to feel like, If anything the Y50 does sound lighter overall for a 15". Which is very appealing, I've been waiting since the CES showcase of the Y50 to pretty much just buy one, but the W230SS is just so sexy looking…
 

ragztem

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Lenovo Y50 doesn't even compete! In terms of upgrading the Sager is extremely accessible with slots for Ram, storage, msata's etc. The screen on the Y50 is also well below the standards of the Sager. Washed out! The Lenovo customer service is a joke! I got the Sager from LPC DIGITAL and Larry helped me through everything! I7 4710mq, 8gb,GTX 860m and 512 gb crucial SSD $1300.00 TOTAL! OUT THE DOOR! As great as the machine already is it's all fully upgradeable! Absolute Beast!
 

th3anyk3y

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I initially picked up a Y50 with the QHD screen.
Returned it the next day.
The yellows look like mustard, and that was just to much for me to deal with. Nice enough device, but it really seems like Lenovo is cheapening out on a number of machines, from what I've seen and read. I think as of now I'm just holding out for a Skylake laptop with DDR4, but when I do it will probably be a Sager, or Eurocom as I'm Canadian. They are just really solid machine. And the new technology for mobile just blows away anything that is out now.
 
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