Sager

[ayobmx]

Hi, What makes a sager so great ?


For example, I'm looking at the NP6165 and the specs seem lke just the regular laptops -


i7 ,gtx 650, 7200 rpm harddrive, intel 4000 .


Which brings me back to the original question : What makes Sager the best of the best in terms of laptops ?

 

[kajabla]

Whoever said they're the best of the best? They look normal to me. Are you pushing them?

 

[ayobmx]

Whoever said they're the best of the best? They look normal to me. Are you pushing them?

No, I've been looking for an alternative to a macbook pro; performance,sleek, lightweight, and good battery life. Someone was in the same shoes, and Sager was recommended.


What is your recommendation ?

 

[Komomu]

Sadly if you want all of those, you have to fork up a lot of money for it, which is why most people give up at least or of those things so that can actually afford dinner for the next 2 weeks

 

[bignastyid]

I have had a couple of Sager currently have an NP8690, but I use it as my traveling gaming system and I know Im not going to get the lightweight and battery life, but they use high quality parts, and thats what sets the good systems apart from the cheap ones with the same specs

 

[Pyree]

No, the NP6165 is not sleek at all about 3.1cm thick unlike MBP which is 1.8cm. You want something thin, then go for an ultrabook with some graphic power, probably an Acer Aspire M5. The GT 640m is slower clock, but it is thin unlike the Sager NP6165.

 

[Pinhedd]

Hi, What makes a sager so great ?


For example, I'm looking at the NP6165 and the specs seem lke just the regular laptops -


i7 ,gtx 650, 7200 rpm harddrive, intel 4000 .


Which brings me back to the original question : What makes Sager the best of the best in terms of laptops ?

Sager uses Clevo for all their parts, so that makes them as good as Clevo. Clevo is far better than anything from the prime evils of laptops (Acer, Toshiba, HP) but not quite as good as high end Dell laptops. Thus, the price premium on Sager laptops is generally lower than a similarly equipped Alienware laptop. The price premium on Alienware laptops is well deserved though as they are incredibly well designed and very comfortable to use.

Unlike the prime evils, it's possible to customize a Sager laptop quite heavily. Clevo parts are designed to be heavily interchangeable so the OEM doesn't have to do much work to drop a beefier GPU in.

 

[Pyree]

Just a friendly reminder that only Clevo laptop model that starts with "P" have MXM graphic card, so the Clevo W860CU graphics card are soldered onto the mobo and comes as it is.

 

[dudewitbow]

Sager/Clevo's just tend to be more basic looks wise(to cut cost) and more customizable to give options.

 

[Pyree]

^good point, so you are less likely to be thief's target like people using an Alienware or ASUS ROG laptop.

 

[ayobmx]

So comparing to the Macbook Pro, what would be the best alternative ?


I plan to get a 15 MBP and adding a samsung 830 ssd onto it.

 

[ayobmx]

Sager uses Clevo for all their parts, so that makes them as good as Clevo. Clevo is far better than anything from the prime evils of laptops (Acer, Toshiba, HP) but not quite as good as high end Dell laptops. Thus, the price premium on Sager laptops is generally lower than a similarly equipped Alienware laptop. The price premium on Alienware laptops is well deserved though as they are incredibly well designed and very comfortable to use.

Unlike the prime evils, it's possible to customize a Sager laptop quite heavily. Clevo parts are designed to be heavily interchangeable so the OEM doesn't have to do much work to drop a beefier GPU in.

Your opinion on a better alternative ?

 

[Pinhedd]

Your opinion on a better alternative ?

Sager and clevo offer the best bang for your buck as far as laptops are concerned. The drawback is that since it's a customized laptop using OEM parts that are designed to be swapped in and out across multiple platforms you're going to get a laptop that looks the same regardless of whether you spend $800 or $2800. They are very professional looking laptops but they're not exactly as stylish as Dell's Alienware laptops.

Sager has a back to school sale on right now so it's a great time to buy.

I would personally recommend the NP9130, it's one step up from the 6165 and has a much better GPU. The 9150 would be ideal because its far more flexible as far as the customization options go.

http/www.sagernotebook.com/index.php?page=product_customed&model_name=NP9150

What you'll notice though is that as you start adding more stuff in the price will converge with those charged by Dell for the M17x R4.

 

[zhihao50]

15" MBP costs $1,799 with the starting model with 3610QM, 650m and 4gb ram. Alienware M17x costs only $1499 for a better model with 3610QM, 660m and 6gb ram. It will really depend on how much prince you reckon the "thin factor" apple is worth. Most gaming laptop are not designed to be as thin as MBP.

 

[ayobmx]

Sager and clevo offer the best bang for your buck as far as laptops are concerned. The drawback is that since it's a customized laptop using OEM parts that are designed to be swapped in and out across multiple platforms you're going to get a laptop that looks the same regardless of whether you spend $800 or $2800. They are very professional looking laptops but they're not exactly as stylish as Dell's Alienware laptops.

Sager has a back to school sale on right now so it's a great time to buy.

I would personally recommend the NP9130, it's one step up from the 6165 and has a much better GPU. The 9150 would be ideal because its far more flexible as far as the customization options go.

http/www.sagernotebook.com/index.php?page=product_customed&model_name=NP9150

What you'll notice though is that as you start adding more stuff in the price will converge with those charged by Dell for the M17x R4.

I keep reading that a Mac always lasts longer.. is that not the case ?

 

[Pinhedd]

I keep reading that a Mac always lasts longer.. is that not the case ?

Macs use the exact same core components. How long a PC lasts quality wise usually depends on how much the owner abuses it

 

[ayobmx]

Macs use the exact same core components. How long a PC lasts quality wise usually depends on how much the owner abuses it

In terms of like software .. Windows always has build up over time, and then bogs down, while a Mac is consistent the whole time. ( or so i've read ) . correct me if im wrong.

 

[Pinhedd]

In terms of like software .. Windows always has build up over time, and then bogs down, while a Mac is consistent the whole time. ( or so i've read ) . correct me if im wrong.

Ah, software creep. That does tend to happen but it's the software that runs on Windows rather than Windows itself. There may be performance implications as a result of major service packs but if a service pack turns your PC into a slug then you have a bigger problem to deal with.

Software creep mostly affects the people who try to run Firefox on a Pentium 4, run Antiviruses, install crapware, never delete stuff, etc... The same thing happens to OSX though.

 

[ayobmx]

Ah, software creep. That does tend to happen but it's the software that runs on Windows rather than Windows itself. There may be performance implications as a result of major service packs but if a service pack turns your PC into a slug then you have a bigger problem to deal with.

Software creep mostly affects the people who try to run Firefox on a Pentium 4, run Antiviruses, install crapware, never delete stuff, etc... The same thing happens to OSX though.

Yeah, happens to me a lot. Never figured out how to properly solve it.

Especially since I will be using the laptop for 4 yeras ( whether it be the MBP 15 vs Sager), I want it to be as good of a computer from day 1 to the 4th year .

 

[Pinhedd]

Yeah, happens to me a lot. Never figured out how to properly solve it.

The best cure to software creep is to always buy ahead of the game. A lot of people insist on buying incremental upgrades when their budget allows for it rather than saving up and buying a whole new computer when the time is right. This is a mistake because they are either constantly playing catchup or are constantly stuck with low end components.

There was a big uproar amongst the IT and enthusiast community when Microsoft, Intel, and the hardware OEMs started putting Windows Vista on ultra-cheap PCs that had no business even running XP. I'm talking dual core processors with 1MiB of cache and 512MB of low speed single channel ram. There were more bottlenecks in those systems than in a Medieval wine cellar. Microsoft was all too happy to stick the "Vista Ready" sticker on those machines and they paid the price for it in the court of public opinion.