Sager

[ayobmx]

Hi, What makes a sager so great ?


For example, I'm looking at the NP6165 and the specs seem lke just the regular laptops -


i7 ,gtx 650, 7200 rpm harddrive, intel 4000 .


Which brings me back to the original question : What makes Sager the best of the best in terms of laptops ?

 

[ayobmx]

The best cure to software creep is to always buy ahead of the game. A lot of people insist on buying incremental upgrades when their budget allows for it rather than saving up and buying a whole new computer when the time is right. This is a mistake because they are either constantly playing catchup or are constantly stuck with low end components.

There was a big uproar amongst the IT and enthusiast community when Microsoft, Intel, and the hardware OEMs started putting Windows Vista on ultra-cheap PCs that had no business even running XP. I'm talking dual core processors with 1MiB of cache and 512MB of low speed single channel ram. There were more bottlenecks in those systems than in a Medieval wine cellar. Microsoft was all too happy to stick the "Vista Ready" sticker on those machines and they paid the price for it in the court of public opinion.

What I'm trying to say is that is it not easier to maintain a MBP compared to a Sager? ( Mac vs PC type of argument ) .

 

[Pinhedd]

What I'm trying to say is that is it not easier to maintain a MBP compared to a Sager? ( Mac vs PC type of argument ) .

Not really. The amount of maintenance required on a computer is inversely proportional to the technical knowledge of the user.

Mac users are usually organized into two distinct groups. Power users who use OSX professionally and know how to take care of a computer, and amateur users who use Macbooks as $2000 facebook machines. The group in the middle isn't very big because the application base on OSX is much smaller than it is on Windows. I may be generalizing a bit but the latter group really can't tell the difference between a fast macbook and a sluggish macbook, they also don't really care to complain about it because they're mostly just killing time on it.

I have an inbox full of emails from people who use OSX as a platform for Home and Interior design but don't know how to maintain it. They take forever to startup and will require maintenance as soon as I can get around to it.

Windows users are much more diverse. There's a whole group of Windows users who think that they know how to maintain their computers but really have no clue. These users may be seen installing toolbars, fake antivirus programs, making wild speculations, and checking every file in System32 by hand to see if its signed by Microsoft. They make a lot of noise over 100% user inflicted problems. They're perfect examples of the Dunning–Kruger effect.

The best antivirus is a smart user. My computers (and I have tons of them) never have performance issues because I don't do things that necessitate maintenance and repairs.

 

[ayobmx]

Not really. The amount of maintenance required on a computer is inversely proportional to the technical knowledge of the user.

Mac users are usually organized into two distinct groups. Power users who use OSX professionally and know how to take care of a computer, and amateur users who use Macbooks as $2000 facebook machines. The group in the middle isn't very big because the application base on OSX is much smaller than it is on Windows. I may be generalizing a bit but the latter group really can't tell the difference between a fast macbook and a sluggish macbook, they also don't really care to complain about it because they're mostly just killing time on it.

I have an inbox full of emails from people who use OSX as a platform for Home and Interior design but don't know how to maintain it. They take forever to startup and will require maintenance as soon as I can get around to it.

Windows users are much more diverse. There's a whole group of Windows users who think that they know how to maintain their computers but really have no clue. These users may be seen installing toolbars, fake antivirus programs, making wild speculations, and checking every file in System32 by hand to see if its signed by Microsoft. They make a lot of noise over 100% user inflicted problems. They're perfect examples of the Dunning–Kruger effect.

The best antivirus is a smart user. My computers (and I have tons of them) never have performance issues because I don't do things that necessitate maintenance and repairs.

I have kaspersky internet security 2012 awaiting the sager if I do purchase it.

Another aspect I always try to keep in mind is mobility . I am unsure if I will carry i around a lot, but like the idea of having the option without it being extremely heavy.


In that case, the Macbook is the most powerful for its weight and sleekness no ?


Also in anycase I would like to put a samsung 830 in the MBP or the sager.


Right now it seems to come down to weight and quality.

 

[ayobmx]

Not really. The amount of maintenance required on a computer is inversely proportional to the technical knowledge of the user.

Mac users are usually organized into two distinct groups. Power users who use OSX professionally and know how to take care of a computer, and amateur users who use Macbooks as $2000 facebook machines. The group in the middle isn't very big because the application base on OSX is much smaller than it is on Windows. I may be generalizing a bit but the latter group really can't tell the difference between a fast macbook and a sluggish macbook, they also don't really care to complain about it because they're mostly just killing time on it.

I have an inbox full of emails from people who use OSX as a platform for Home and Interior design but don't know how to maintain it. They take forever to startup and will require maintenance as soon as I can get around to it.

Windows users are much more diverse. There's a whole group of Windows users who think that they know how to maintain their computers but really have no clue. These users may be seen installing toolbars, fake antivirus programs, making wild speculations, and checking every file in System32 by hand to see if its signed by Microsoft. They make a lot of noise over 100% user inflicted problems. They're perfect examples of the Dunning–Kruger effect.

The best antivirus is a smart user. My computers (and I have tons of them) never have performance issues because I don't do things that necessitate maintenance and repairs.

Using only the NP9150 and MBP 15 as the subjects:


I'm going to be

-writing papers
- occasionally gaming (Dota2, maybe go back to sc2 )
- surfing the web. ( I go over 15 tabs almost everytime)
- watch 1080p 720p movies
- make presentations
- traveling around campus


That is all I can think of at the moment. What is your opinion on what my choice should be ?

 

[Pinhedd]

Using only the NP9150 and MBP 15 as the subjects:


I'm going to be

-writing papers
- occasionally gaming (Dota2, maybe go back to sc2 )
- surfing the web. ( I go over 15 tabs almost everytime)
- watch 1080p 720p movies
- make presentations
- traveling around campus


That is all I can think of at the moment. What is your opinion on what my choice should be ?

I've been carrying 10 pound laptops around for many years without issue. I think that weight and mobility are generally moot factors. Comfort should be the most important factor. Macbooks are comfortable, Alienware is very comfortable, Sager is fairly comfortable.

If you plan on gaming at all you may want to avoid Macbooks. Even if you dual boot you'll be stuck with a crummy video card.

 

[dudewitbow]

mac books are great for portability, sleekness and general use. I wouldn't consider it a gaming platform though, as most of the Mac Platform was designed for general use and a large majority of the users are college students who use it for school purposes only.

 

[ayobmx]

I've been carrying 10 pound laptops around for many years without issue. I think that weight and mobility are generally moot factors. Comfort should be the most important factor. Macbooks are comfortable, Alienware is very comfortable, Sager is fairly comfortable.

If you plan on gaming at all you may want to avoid Macbooks. Even if you dual boot you'll be stuck with a crummy video card.

The difference in video cards is not much ;

MBP 15 has a 650, while I was being recommened the NP6165, which had the same.

The NP9150 has a 675, and that consumes a lot more battery, making the battery life suck without an outlet.

I am leaning in more towards the MBP right now

 

[dudewitbow]

if you want a Laptop to desktop gpu power wise approximations, a Gtx 650m is relatively between a 8800 gts and a HD 7750. the 675m is sorta like HD 6850/Gtx 460ish level.

edit: If you want my opinion, I would pick the middleman between the two, which is the Lenovo y580 with the Gtx 660m(Kepler Based) not as strong as the 675(fermi based) but more power efficient and of course is better than the 650m

 

[Pinhedd]

The difference in video cards is not much ;

MBP 15 has a 650, while I was being recommened the NP6165, which had the same.

The NP9150 has a 675, and that consumes a lot more battery, making the battery life suck without an outlet.

I am leaning in more towards the MBP right now

The NP9150 has Optimus technology if used with an NVidia GPU and Switchable Graphics if used with an AMD GPU. This means it will automatically switch (or tell you to switch) to the IGP when on battery, which turns the discrete GPU off completely.

 

[mesab66]

ayobmx: it all boils down to what you want to achieve, in balance. If a macbook pro format delivers all you need and you are happy then be happy. HOWEVER, other folk may NEED (or want to brag about) higher cpu and/or gfx power - and for these folk we have other options available (and, perhaps, a tethered powed cord 😉 ) Horses for courses

 

[Pyree]

Actually the GT 650m in the retina display MBP is clocked higher than the default GTX 660m. Y580 is a good choice because of its price to performance ratio, but it is also a normal size laptop. It boils down to how import the sleek factor is to you.

 

[ayobmx]

thanks to all your opinions guys. I settled with the MBP. I hope I didnt rub off the wrong way towards any of you 🙁

If I read pinhedd's comment before ordering I would probably still be in the same boat right now lol .


@ Pyree, the sleek factor became the deciding factor; i just really cant imagining me holding the NP9150 nor the 6165, unless it's on my table.


I hope this thread helps out future users who end up on the same boat I was

Thanks again guys !