Some People Are Protesting New Medal of Honor

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Something like this seriously makes me think that these nations fallen under a joke.

What about the families of Germans killed in WWII? Sure, they may have been fighting for the Nazi regime, but does that make them less human? Almost all shooters from few years ago featured Germans getting shot, killed and mutilated. But since its from an American viewpoint, it is "okay"? What about the families of the Japanese soldiers that are portrayed as mindless, sub-human creatures that blindly follow orders?

What about the Russians? They get killed in almost every newer FPS games. Does the families of American/British soldiers think that Russians aren't humans? Get a grip. They grieve the loss of their children just as American/British families do.

Maybe its time the US, UK and other self-centered nations realize that war goes both ways.
 
[citation][nom]kingnoobe[/nom]I'm in the army, and actually deployed to afghan right now. So instead of bitching about a game how about you do something useful for your country.[/citation] What, precisely, are you doing which is useful to your country? Your country has invaded a foreign country with no direct threat to American sovereignty. Your country kills tens of thousands of innocent civilians who do not want you in their country. No disrespect, chum, but your country wants your blood to keep its billionaires happy and they keep their money in off-shore companies so you tax payers get to see very little from the gains they make raping foreign countries for their resources. Don't believe the bull your superiors tell you. You are not engaged in a "just" war (should such a war ever exist).
 
You know the ignorance of people astounds me, I am all for free speech and freedom of expression as you all claim we should have, yet when anyone makes a counter argument against your opinions you all run to mark them down... It just goes to show how mindless, unimaginative and selfish we are all becoming.

The difference between this game, and all the other games is that this is current, UK, USA Canadian and many other troops are there dying right now, they are there in fear for their lives, their loved ones are at home terrified they may loose a father, husband, wife, son or daughter etc.

You can mention games that are based on WW2 as justification for this game, but think about this some kids looses his father in Afghanistan and then goes to a friends house to watch him playing this game laughing and joking as he plays a Taliban killing American troops, how does that kid feel, or worse some kids know his father died and start tormenting him how they were blowing up people just like his dad.. How does he feel? hasn't his sacrifice been enough? hasn't his family given enough? Do you think it wont happen?

This game could of been based any where, the mechanics of the game allow that, the truth is they just wanted to exploit the current conflict for profit and to me that is deplorable.

I didn't buy MW2 because I felt the airport scene was again deplorable, designed to get attention and and exploit current fears and events, I wont be buying this game either.

Oh and you can all mark my comment down and curse me, but my brother died in Helmand, but hey why should I care? After all the world is all about you morons being able to do what you want.

Try being a little less selfish and a little more sensitive to the thoughts and feelings of others, perhaps, just perhaps the world might start becoming a better place
 
And? lol, In "Rambo III" and "James Bond: The living daylights" the heros both fought alongside the Taliban against the USSR. I suppose its not politically correct to show support for them now were the ones oppressing them lol.

 
[citation][nom]Princeofdreams[/nom]You can mention games that are based on WW2 as justification for this game, but think about this some kids looses his father in Afghanistan and then goes to a friends house to watch him playing this game laughing and joking as he plays a Taliban killing American troops[/citation]

Because the Taliban that you kill when playing from the US perspective don't have any children or families to miss them? I suppose its their own fault really for trying to live in a country above an American oil field >.>
 
[citation][nom]Princeofdreams[/nom] but think about this some kids looses his father in Afghanistan and then goes to a friends house to watch him playing this game laughing and joking as he plays a Taliban killing American troops, how does that kid feel, or worse some kids know his father died and start tormenting him how they were blowing up people just like his dad.. How does he feel? [/citation] As a hypothetical situation,with a game like that I wouldn't be too upset about the game as it's benign even if it disturbs or offends some however if someone tormented me losing a soldier father due to battle I would just want to assault the crap out of the tormenter but would not do so due to local laws against the crime of assault.However I would use a stealthy way instead to exact equitable just revenge later on against the tormentor (torment the tormentor) without losing my cool and going to jail for it.Sorry that your brother died you have my sympathy and condolences for such a tragic loss of a loved one.None of my family or ancestors as far as I know of was ever KIA in various wars but just one ancestor from the American Civil War was wounded.
Myself I would like to see a Hernan Cortez conquest of Mexico FPS you know to add some historical worth to a game (teaching history as that amazing world changing event occured nearly 500 years ago).
 
Oh shut up!!!

Medal of Honor and such games are a representation of military events, and it represents what has happened and is happening in recent wars.

Is it any different to being able to play as a Germany soldier in previous games? Germany was percieved as the enermy back then and we're now allowed to play a game as a German soldier.

Get real, it's a game, we'd be moaning if the game wasn't realistic and/or accurate wouldn't we! So those people need to suck it up, if you don't like it then don't buy/play it, simple as.

I'm not for the Taliban and it is a great sadness many people have lost their lives, but does this game really effect past events? No! It merely replicates it!
 
What about all the wives and children of the "Survivors" in Left 4 Dead? Nobody cared when it was just Zombies unmercifully beating the "Survivors" at the end of the map as the rest drove away in the military amphibious vehicle.

Get Real! Nobody cares if the Taliban killed your soldier! That's what mercenaries do!
 
Maybe we should ask why we think we need to play a "real world" war shooter anyway.

IMHO that's pretty disgusting in itself.

Not that I don't enjoy a FPS at times, but I prefer less "realistic" settings (say FarCry I, Doom, Half-Life etc.).
 
Mah only comment on this pah-ticulah treatise is mah uttah disdain at mah valiant forebears being lumped in with the nazi's and communists when clearly during the War of Northern Aggression it was we who were put upon to defend the great ideals of our forefathers. I would thereby posit that those red-legged yankee scoundrels should rightfully be on the side of all other oppressors and not the wrongfully accused Sons of the Confederacy as having heretofore been maligned.
 
[citation][nom]partytime[/nom]And playing as a Nazi killing us troops is different... How???[/citation]

You can't see how it is different. Since you apparently only care about playing games and only don't like people doing any criticizing of your games, I'll have to explain it to you. If you haven't noticed, we aren't fighting the Germans anymore. Have you noticed that? When was the last time we were in a war with the Germans? 50 years? And when was the last time we fought the Taliban. Did you know we are fighting the Taliban, RIGHT NOW. Right this very minute the Taliban are planning to kill U.S. Troops, right now? And you don't think that is relevant. It's the difference between the sinking of the Lusitania and the attack on the World Trade Center. If you can't see the difference, you aren't too bright.

[citation][nom]innocentbystander[/nom]""At the hands of the Taliban, children have lost fathers and wives have lost husbands," he said to the BBC. "It's hard to believe any citizen of our country would wish to buy such a thoroughly un-British game. I would urge retailers to show their support for our armed forces and ban this tasteless product.""Of course that isn't true the other way around. There has never been collateral damage, civilian deaths or decidedly un-geneva like behavior on NATO's part... the hypocrisy is beyond words.IB[/citation]

Oh, I guess we were just sitting around one day and all of a sudden, out of the blue, the U.S. said, "I know, we can go attack Afghanistan!" and another person replied, "Yeah! Thats a good idea. After all, we don't have anything better to do!" I suppose that is how you think we got to this point. It wasn't because we were attacked by terrorist who's leader, Osama Bin Laden, had his base there. No, that had nothing to do with it. It wasn't because the Taliban were there and were hiding behind women and children and cutting womens noses and ears off like the recent magazine cover showed. No, the Taliban are nice, peaceful people that we decided to attack for no reason, right?


 
[citation][nom]usersname[/nom]What, precisely, are you doing which is useful to your country? Your country has invaded a foreign country with no direct threat to American sovereignty. Your country kills tens of thousands of innocent civilians who do not want you in their country. No disrespect, chum, but your country wants your blood to keep its billionaires happy and they keep their money in off-shore companies so you tax payers get to see very little from the gains they make raping foreign countries for their resources. Don't believe the bull your superiors tell you. You are not engaged in a "just" war (should such a war ever exist).[/citation]

You have swallowed every lie the anti-war fanatics have spouted haven't you. All have said is a lie. I suppose you are talking about Iraq. What resources has the U.S. taken from Iraq? You support Saddam Hussein's torture rooms, and his gassing millions of his own people and support him selling those weapons to terrorists, who he supported? You are just a naive fool.
 
[citation][nom]Princeofdreams[/nom]You can mention games that are based on WW2 as justification for this game, but think about this some kids looses his father in Afghanistan and then goes to a friends house to watch him playing this game laughing and joking as he plays a Taliban killing American troops, how does that kid feel, or worse some kids know his father died and start tormenting him how they were blowing up people just like his dad.. How does he feel? hasn't his sacrifice been enough? hasn't his family given enough? Do you think it wont happen? [/citation]

Okay, I agree with a previous poster's statement that this is purely hypothetical. It's also extremely pessimistic and sensationalistic to the point of non-reality. Kids are cruel, yes, but if they are picking on someone and making fun of him for his father dying in the line of military service, chances are that's not the only thing he's getting picked on about, and he's probably not the only one getting harassed by these people. The setting of a videogame is probably the last thing that should have the blame placed on it, and instead it should be placed on the parents who have clearly failed in their responsibilities to raise a socially healthy child, like most cases that are blamed on games.

[citation][nom]Princeofdreams[/nom]I didn't buy MW2 because I felt the airport scene was again deplorable, designed to get attention and and exploit current fears and events, I wont be buying this game either.[/citation]

That was, and is, your choice. No one in the world is holding you, or your family and friend's lives for ransom if you do not purchase and play this game. You have the glorious gift of free will, allowing you to choose what activities you participate in and what goods you buy.

[citation][nom]Princeofdreams[/nom]After all the world is all about you morons being able to do what you want. Try being a little less selfish and a little more sensitive to the thoughts and feelings of others, perhaps, just perhaps the world might start becoming a better place[/citation]

Exactly, being able to do what we (those accused of being "morons")want is the best part about free will, as long as it causes no harm or encroaches on the lifestyle of others, like playing a game based on current events.
I would not be responsible for the deaths of any person, US, UK, CAN, taliban or otherwise for playing this game. It isn't funding terrorist, or even military activity in any way.

As far as claiming that what you propose would make the world a better place, I'm gonna add the unwritten part of that sentence "Try being a little less selfish and a little more sensitive to the thoughts and feelings of others, perhaps, just perhaps the world might start becoming a better place for me", because all you have stated in your comment is about how everything else makes you feel and solutions to make you feel better, because when people make subjective claims about problems (which is the only type of claim regarding morality as it is all in the eye of the beholder) the solution they come up with is subjective. I am sorry for the loss of your brother, and I know that it is impossible to ever totally "get over it", but expecting empathy from every person in existence is an unreasonable request because there are going to be those who can't relate, or who have suffered much more and believe their situation "one up"s yours.
 
@nexus9113

I think your points do have some validity but are still misguided.
Maybe my point was as you say sensationalist, but take another example a child is playing the game, some normal teenager, his brother, father or any other close relative is stationed in Afghanistan (highly likely considering how many troops are stationed there) he is just enjoying the game, laughing and joking online with his friends, playing the Taliban, bragging (in a joking way) how is going to blow them all up when his mother gets the call the Taliban have just killed his father, how does he then feel about the game he was playing? How does he feel about the things he said, even though just in jest? Want to tell me that is an unlikely scenario? I am fairly certain that is not only possible but in fact likely to happen.

I have nothing against FPS games, in fact I am a member of a clan that plays CoD 5. My disgust over this is the blatant sensationalism by EA knowing the controversy, and knowing that controversy will generate more sales. Free speech is important as you say, as long as that harm does not bring harm and offense to others, I would argue this does bring offense to people obviously if you look at the reaction.

Games trivialize war, there is no game that gets anywhere close to portraying the genuine horrors, terror and hell people go through, movies have only just started to get close to it. And a war that is current, where people are still losing their lives EVERY DAY on both sides of the conflict should not be trivialized in any way, it should not be used as a marketing tool so some publisher can reap profits.

All the other games that people have mentioned are historical or fictional, even MW2 did not use current squads or terrorist but a fictional troop of soldiers against a fictional group of terrorists. EA have used are real conflict zone, and real events and battles to make a buck, and that is wrong. There was nothing preventing them making up a fictional tale set in modern times (much like MW2)

Freedom of speech is a power, and with all powers come responsibilities.
 
In my cristal ball I can see that the Taliban is the most popular side in multiplayer 🙂 Well if people want to play the underdock in anyway. But, yeah this is a game and you either have games or you don't. This can lead to banning of all violent games. Not likely, but It is easy to predict that certain fanaticks will use this game as an "pure" example why games are bad...
... but in anyway they would fine some other game without this so there is no real difference in here.
 
I have had enough of the government trying to have full control of what I cannot do: I understand that I cannot kill ppl in real life, but that I cannot do that even VIRTUALLY?
Tomorrow I will be told that I am not allowed to take a dump anymore so I got to keep it in...
 
play as the Taliban in some videogame, and it would be up to him to determine whether or not he wanted to play the game anymore because of some emotional trauma it would bring up. But that is still the individual's choice based on his personal experience. Nothing is forcing him to play the game. To censor something because it "might" (and that's a pretty big "might") offend someone then you have to censor all forms of media that might do the same. So let's censor the news for broadcasting about the middle east, let's censor Hollywood from making any films, and lets censor all written publication about the conflict because they might write something too descriptive, or from an unpopular perspective.


[citation][nom]Princeofdreams[/nom]I have nothing against FPS games, in fact I am a member of a clan that plays CoD 5. My disgust over this is the blatant sensationalism by EA knowing the controversy, and knowing that controversy will generate more sales.[/citation]

Everything is controversial because everything can offend someone. EA set out to make a game about THIS war, THIS conflict, and made no claims otherwise. Activision set out to make a "representation" about the conflict, and it was more than likely for greater ease with writing a story, not so much because they worried about offending someone. And EA hasn't been going around with giant adverts screaming at us about how awesome the MP is because you can play as Taliban, it's not a selling point, just a part of the product.


[citation][nom]Princeofdreams[/nom]Free speech is important as you say, as long as that harm does not bring harm and offense to others, I would argue this does bring offense to people obviously if you look at the reaction.[/citation]

Nothing I said before really talked about free speech, I was talking about freedom of choice, but since you brought it up... Free speech is protected as long as what is being broadcast to the public (beit by mouth, TV, radio, print, or software) is not inciting chaos and disorder, slandering a person or group, or threatening a person or group with physical harm. Believe it or not "offensive" speech is protected because "offense" is a completely subjective and abstract concept. People can universally, and objectively agree what slander is due to emperical evidence (or lack thereof) proving without reason of a doubt the contrary to what was broadcast. We can universally and objectively agree what speech with the purpose of inciting chaos and disorder is because of the clear intent of the message's purpose. And threats really don't need to be elaborated, saying to someone that you are going to harm them is pretty clear cut. The problem with "offensive" is that every person, based on experiences and behavioral make up find different things offensive. Examples: one group of people say swearing is offensive, another group says it isn't, another group says they are offended by the message of a particular book, while another group isn't. There is no black and white when it comes to offensiveness of material because everyone sees things with a different perspective. And unless someone is at serious risk of physical or economic harm there is no need to take action.

[citation][nom]Princeofdreams[/nom]Games trivialize war, there is no game that gets anywhere close to portraying the genuine horrors, terror and hell people go through, movies have only just started to get close to it. And a war that is current, where people are still losing their lives EVERY DAY on both sides of the conflict should not be trivialized in any way, it should not be used as a marketing tool so some publisher can reap profits.[/citation]

Remember this, they are out to make a product that is fun to play, not to make something to put people into a therapy session for PTSD-by-proxy. And just because it's current doesn't make it any less taboo than other wars, remember that GI Joe was around during the Korean and Vietnam wars, so when kids played someone had to be the NK or the VC, and cowboys and indians has been around since that particular period of real strife between real cowboys and indians. The method of "playing a game" has changed, but the clear distinction between reality and fantasy hasn't. If there are those who are unable to see that distinction, then they need to have their exposure monitored in the first place.

[citation][nom]Princeofdreams[/nom]All the other games that people have mentioned are historical or fictional, even MW2 did not use current squads or terrorist but a fictional troop of soldiers against a fictional group of terrorists. EA have used are real conflict zone, and real events and battles to make a buck, and that is wrong. There was nothing preventing them making up a fictional tale set in modern times (much like MW2)[/citation]

So in order for something that is "true" to made into a product of mass media/product consumption, it must be old enough to where the majority of the target audience (videogames 17-34) either wasn't old enough to experience it or has no living ties (friends/relatives) to the event? Hmmm, I know that there have been a large number of WWII movies, and military themed toys based on both sides of the event that were made during or immediately after the war, so under your logic they shouldn't have been made. What about 'Nam? The only war that was more controversial than this one? I say that because troops that came home from that Hell were treated like monsters, and that hasn't happened at all during this mess. That was a conflict that lasted almost 2 decades, so I know that there is a large number of the population who lived during that time and lost friends and loved ones, yet there was still media and products produced on the subject with the purpose of entertainment during and immediately after that time period.

No matter how you try to spin it against other games/movies/toys/tv shows/etc, it does not matter the historicity or level of fictionalization of an experience with a clear basis on real events, it is hippocritical to approve of those, and not of something that might just hit a little closer to home, again bringing me back full circle to my main point, the only reason this is a controversy, is because someone thinks everyone else in the world should share the same subjective opinions and thought processes they do.
 
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[citation][nom]Princeofdreams[/nom]@nexus9113I think your points do have some validity but are still misguided. Maybe my point was as you say sensationalist, but take another example a child is playing the game, some normal teenager, his brother, father or any other close relative is stationed in Afghanistan (highly likely considering how many troops are stationed there) he is just enjoying the game, laughing and joking online with his friends, playing the Taliban, bragging (in a joking way) how is going to blow them all up when his mother gets the call the Taliban have just killed his father, how does he then feel about the game he was playing? How does he feel about the things he said, even though just in jest? Want to tell me that is an unlikely scenario? I am fairly certain that is not only possible but in fact likely to happen.[/citation]

If the kid in this story went through this then understandably he would take a step back as the reality of the situation sank in, but more than likely there would be more going on in his mind other than the fact that you can
 
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