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I think that Geohotz was wrong in the first place to provide the hack. What he did was illegal, and therefore Sony has every right to sue him. Anonymous is crazy. We have an elected government for a reason. If we disagree with the laws, we have the power to change those laws.
To see the entirety of my argument:
http
/besttechtoday.blogspot.com/2011/03/why-sony-is-right-to-sue.html
To see the entirety of my argument:
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/besttechtoday.blogspot.com/2011/03/why-sony-is-right-to-sue.html@f-14
They are botnet herders, tracing the IP will only ever get you to the zombie
@vintagesax88
Geohotz provided a prepackage means to get back some lost functionality, the amount of reverse engineering required for such a feat is pretty impressive, some other folks realize that it could be used as a vehicle to circumvent some security protocol, when sony went after him with guns drawn he released his r&d and the methods used to derive that to the public domain which arguably was more damaging then the original hack itself.
We dont exactly ban fertilizer or gasoline cause someone figure out how to make a bomb from it, and there be hell if someone was thrown in prison for sharing his reversed engineered wire loom diagram for a car just as i dont think it go down too well if Apple decided to sue the day light of the guys who make the modified torx drivers that can open up an Apple product or the company that sells them
They are botnet herders, tracing the IP will only ever get you to the zombie
@vintagesax88
Geohotz provided a prepackage means to get back some lost functionality, the amount of reverse engineering required for such a feat is pretty impressive, some other folks realize that it could be used as a vehicle to circumvent some security protocol, when sony went after him with guns drawn he released his r&d and the methods used to derive that to the public domain which arguably was more damaging then the original hack itself.
We dont exactly ban fertilizer or gasoline cause someone figure out how to make a bomb from it, and there be hell if someone was thrown in prison for sharing his reversed engineered wire loom diagram for a car just as i dont think it go down too well if Apple decided to sue the day light of the guys who make the modified torx drivers that can open up an Apple product or the company that sells them
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[citation][nom]otacon72[/nom]Anonymous...lol just another bunch of egomaniacs looking for attention. So they can launch a DDoS attack...so can my 10yo nephew if I get him the right software. In reading their dribble they try to sound intelligent but come up way short.[/citation]
You can call them that if you want the truth is alot of these guys are 30 times smarter then anyone else around them and they are capeable of doing far more then DDoS attacks. While I don't agree with thier methods sony has used non constitutional methods in their pursuit of controlling their methods just because they can throw money at it. I think it will be most fitting if this group causes them some serious damage. Paybacks a bitch and you shouldn't kick a hornets nest if you don't want to get stung.
You can call them that if you want the truth is alot of these guys are 30 times smarter then anyone else around them and they are capeable of doing far more then DDoS attacks. While I don't agree with thier methods sony has used non constitutional methods in their pursuit of controlling their methods just because they can throw money at it. I think it will be most fitting if this group causes them some serious damage. Paybacks a bitch and you shouldn't kick a hornets nest if you don't want to get stung.
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Targeting someone's kids is going to far. They're going to experience some blowback on this one if kids are involved.
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[citation][nom]TheCapulet[/nom]What makes you think that geoholtz or Ano is guilty of Piracy? Geoholtz only unlocked the PS3 for linux features, which were taken out by Sony for no good reason at all. The unlock just happened to also unlock the console to accept unverified bluray disks for game execution. If ignorance were a crime, you'd get the chair.[/citation]
more like you get the chair and you take the short bus to get to it. He released the info on how he modified it on the net and because of that all the pirates came out of hiding and started using it for piracy and so called home brew apps. Sony is coming after him for that. if he did not release the info on the net in the first place sony would leave him alone. now Because of him Sony has to battle the pirates so they don't ruin PSN and multi player on PSN
more like you get the chair and you take the short bus to get to it. He released the info on how he modified it on the net and because of that all the pirates came out of hiding and started using it for piracy and so called home brew apps. Sony is coming after him for that. if he did not release the info on the net in the first place sony would leave him alone. now Because of him Sony has to battle the pirates so they don't ruin PSN and multi player on PSN
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And now this is just an all out war. I don't have an opinion anymore other than I just want my PS3 to do what it was meant to do originally.
Be the 3rd series in a line of playstations and play PS1,2, and 3 games. It had otherOS on it before, put it back.
Other than that, I don't care. I'm just tired of being unable to go online because I constantly need to update, or check for the new EULA.
Be the 3rd series in a line of playstations and play PS1,2, and 3 games. It had otherOS on it before, put it back.
Other than that, I don't care. I'm just tired of being unable to go online because I constantly need to update, or check for the new EULA.
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As I see it, this is not much better than $ony persecuting users.
What would be better, IMHO, is if an organization like this were able to fund a true legal defense for the people $ony targets. IMHO, that would be a real fight with a real chance of winning, and changing the law for everyone.
As it stands, Anonymous has just put themselves in the sights of the law with no better chance of winning a legal battle than the users $ony is targeting.
What would be better, IMHO, is if an organization like this were able to fund a true legal defense for the people $ony targets. IMHO, that would be a real fight with a real chance of winning, and changing the law for everyone.
As it stands, Anonymous has just put themselves in the sights of the law with no better chance of winning a legal battle than the users $ony is targeting.
@captaincharisma
he shared some of his work with a select few, some of whom made it publicly available and then someone reversed engineered his work to make a security hack, sony then came for him with prejudice, no discussion, no negotiation, they out right wanted his neck, in retaliation he released his R&D including method and procedures, the current hack derived from his work would have been relatively easy to patch, but the info pertaining to methods and procedures can be used to derive multitudes of new hacks
wanna go and sue Ford cause a few of their cars were used in hit and runs?
Sony could have just offered to reinstated linux support for the PS3 and negotiated with him on how to patch the security hole, instead they went all Apple and sent the execution squad after him. Your not going to battle piracy with draconian DRM and hanging every Home Brew enthusiast
personally i like home brew, it allows me to exploit hardware that i brought, if i wanted to code my own app for the wii/ps3 i should be able to do it without having to pay the mega corps for that privilege, all well and nice buying a fridge and stocking it up with those pre-package meals as endorsed by your fridge maker, but i like to be able to store fresh produce and the meals i cook in that fridge without having to pay extra for that privilege
and now im ranting......
he shared some of his work with a select few, some of whom made it publicly available and then someone reversed engineered his work to make a security hack, sony then came for him with prejudice, no discussion, no negotiation, they out right wanted his neck, in retaliation he released his R&D including method and procedures, the current hack derived from his work would have been relatively easy to patch, but the info pertaining to methods and procedures can be used to derive multitudes of new hacks
wanna go and sue Ford cause a few of their cars were used in hit and runs?
Sony could have just offered to reinstated linux support for the PS3 and negotiated with him on how to patch the security hole, instead they went all Apple and sent the execution squad after him. Your not going to battle piracy with draconian DRM and hanging every Home Brew enthusiast
personally i like home brew, it allows me to exploit hardware that i brought, if i wanted to code my own app for the wii/ps3 i should be able to do it without having to pay the mega corps for that privilege, all well and nice buying a fridge and stocking it up with those pre-package meals as endorsed by your fridge maker, but i like to be able to store fresh produce and the meals i cook in that fridge without having to pay extra for that privilege
and now im ranting......
At the end of the day, this is all about Sony trying to stop people from pirating software using a cracked Playstation 3, and the hackers throwing a tantrom. One day, when anonymous members get caught, I guarantee they will burst into tears when they face real jail time. Trading in a PC for salad tossing ...
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A funny thing about the internet. Its a global network with no set of laws regulating it as a whole. Each set of laws is defined by the country in which the recipient lives. Some countries will extradite to and from each other if the laws broken are great enough, others will not. Everything you think is illegal, is legal somewhere else.
File sharing, go to Canada. Sex with a 13 year old, check out Japan. Five year old's drinking wine, go to France. Kill your wife, just accuse her of Adultery in Iran. Women don't get trials, she will be stoned to death. all of this seems gruesome, but its totally normal in other cultures.
It's not any of uncle sams business to pay for a security guard at the bank. Why should we pay for one at Sony's routers? If these companies want to be secure on the internet its their own responsibility.
p.s. posting a Craigslist add for a date for persons besides yourself is against the ToS of Craigslist, but not against any laws. Unless you were posing as a judge and proposing to perform a marriage service or similar judge duty, then you might have a problem.
File sharing, go to Canada. Sex with a 13 year old, check out Japan. Five year old's drinking wine, go to France. Kill your wife, just accuse her of Adultery in Iran. Women don't get trials, she will be stoned to death. all of this seems gruesome, but its totally normal in other cultures.
It's not any of uncle sams business to pay for a security guard at the bank. Why should we pay for one at Sony's routers? If these companies want to be secure on the internet its their own responsibility.
p.s. posting a Craigslist add for a date for persons besides yourself is against the ToS of Craigslist, but not against any laws. Unless you were posing as a judge and proposing to perform a marriage service or similar judge duty, then you might have a problem.
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I agree, they can't just start baning or pursuing all the ip's visiting GH site, some people are curious or want to read but they are not able to do anything, also they are not aware of what they are doing to them, they probably get their internet shutdown and don't know why.
What were you expecting, flowers after messing with people? you mess with hackers then you get your reply and you got it now. However, not just Sony-PS3,think how many angry customers they have Sony PS3 Sony Ericsson Sony Vaio, it's not just GH, Its clearly here: Your corrupt business practices are indicative of a corporate philosophy that would deny consumers the right to use products they have paid for, and rightfully own, in the manner of their choosing. Perhaps you should alert your customers to the fact that they are apparently only renting your products?
omg, they are annoying...
What were you expecting, flowers after messing with people? you mess with hackers then you get your reply and you got it now. However, not just Sony-PS3,think how many angry customers they have Sony PS3 Sony Ericsson Sony Vaio, it's not just GH, Its clearly here: Your corrupt business practices are indicative of a corporate philosophy that would deny consumers the right to use products they have paid for, and rightfully own, in the manner of their choosing. Perhaps you should alert your customers to the fact that they are apparently only renting your products?
omg, they are annoying...
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[citation][nom]ImRanting[/nom]@captaincharismahe shared some of his work with a select few, some of whom made it publicly available and then someone reversed engineered his work to make a security hack, sony then came for him with prejudice, no discussion, no negotiation, they out right wanted his neck, in retaliation he released his R&D including method and procedures, the current hack derived from his work would have been relatively easy to patch, but the info pertaining to methods and procedures can be used to derive multitudes of new hackswanna go and sue Ford cause a few of their cars were used in hit and runs?Sony could have just offered to reinstated linux support for the PS3 and negotiated with him on how to patch the security hole, instead they went all Apple and sent the execution squad after him. Your not going to battle piracy with draconian DRM and hanging every Home Brew enthusiastpersonally i like home brew, it allows me to exploit hardware that i brought, if i wanted to code my own app for the wii/ps3 i should be able to do it without having to pay the mega corps for that privilege, all well and nice buying a fridge and stocking it up with those pre-package meals as endorsed by your fridge maker, but i like to be able to store fresh produce and the meals i cook in that fridge without having to pay extra for that privilegeand now im ranting......[/citation]
you really think its as simple as giving back linux support on the console? lol. looks like sony did make the right choice by removing it because the only ones who are getting PO'ed about it are hackers and pirates but the pirates on here don't admit it
you really think its as simple as giving back linux support on the console? lol. looks like sony did make the right choice by removing it because the only ones who are getting PO'ed about it are hackers and pirates but the pirates on here don't admit it
@captaincharisma
yeah what do i know, im just plain stupid, here i thought linux would make home brewing easier rather than needing to hack the hardware how stupid of me, and you know sony probably only removed linux support cause it was only ever being used to pirate games anyways, i mean who would want to be creative and try to utilize the hardware for something beyond the creators intention anyways, it could only ever be for nefarious intentions anyways right, everyone should just be less creative and trust sony, they really only have our best interest at heart right
yeah what do i know, im just plain stupid, here i thought linux would make home brewing easier rather than needing to hack the hardware how stupid of me, and you know sony probably only removed linux support cause it was only ever being used to pirate games anyways, i mean who would want to be creative and try to utilize the hardware for something beyond the creators intention anyways, it could only ever be for nefarious intentions anyways right, everyone should just be less creative and trust sony, they really only have our best interest at heart right
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It's pretty sad how so many people on a PC enthusiasts site don't understand the concept of modding. His only actual crime was changing his personal hardware to suit his needs. If he was a pirate, they could easily sue him for piracy and the issue would be clear cut, but that's not what's happening here.
Still don't get it? Let's put it into perspective. Let's say the PC industry decides to release one PC with a preinstalled set of software. You are not allowed to make any changes, not to the hardware, or to the software. You will use that system with those programs, period. Sounds crazy? Why would it be, after all, you COULD mod that PC to play pirated content. By your own logic, computers should be locked down completely to prevent the possibility of modification that could lead to piracy.
Why stop there though? There's much greater threats to the world. Let's make all weapons illegal, they could be used to hurt people. Let's remove all cars from the road, they could hit someone. Shut down hardware stores, do you know what you could do to someone with garden tools?
Laws are not broken on the potential, but the act itself. Until he is convicted of piracy, piracy does not weigh in to this issue at all. The fact that his mod activated a feature which then allowed others to make piracy hacks is irrelevant, because modifying a piece of hardware in itself is not a crime.
Still don't get it? Let's put it into perspective. Let's say the PC industry decides to release one PC with a preinstalled set of software. You are not allowed to make any changes, not to the hardware, or to the software. You will use that system with those programs, period. Sounds crazy? Why would it be, after all, you COULD mod that PC to play pirated content. By your own logic, computers should be locked down completely to prevent the possibility of modification that could lead to piracy.
Why stop there though? There's much greater threats to the world. Let's make all weapons illegal, they could be used to hurt people. Let's remove all cars from the road, they could hit someone. Shut down hardware stores, do you know what you could do to someone with garden tools?
Laws are not broken on the potential, but the act itself. Until he is convicted of piracy, piracy does not weigh in to this issue at all. The fact that his mod activated a feature which then allowed others to make piracy hacks is irrelevant, because modifying a piece of hardware in itself is not a crime.
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Anybody saying linux would let you play copied games that is totally wrong
as Sony put a security hypervisor to block you from doing anything like that
in fact they even locked the GPU and 3-D acceleration
I used to have Ubuntu Linux on my PS3 and when I decided to update to 3.21
not only did I lose my Linux but I lost 10 GB of hard drive space unless I formatted the hard drive
so to get My Space back I had to copy everything onto an external hard drive and copy it back this took approximately 6 hours don't ask me why but it was very slow
I still wish my Linux was on my PS3 lately to tinker around with programming
Sony should not have been able to remove this feature as it was advertised
if they had left Linux support in the PS3 I don't think the PS3 would be hacked wide open like it is
as Sony basically gave permission by taking the feature away for people to try and get it back
like Geo hot did.
Honestly I will never buy another Sony product because of this next thing you know
they will start disabling other features on other products they sell.
The quality of Sony products out there now is nothing special and there relying far too much on their Sony brand name.
And every time I see a commercial for PS3 and it says it does everything I think it does nothing as we took all the features out.
I just wish Sony would stop spending all this money to sue Geo hot and actually produce some new features for the PS3
how about a better web browser and flash support maybe some PS2 software emulation support as well since that's another feature they removed.
know they would rather spend millions on lawyers to sue Geo hot Graf_Chokolo and invade the privacy of many people they should have never been allowed to get the IP addresses of anyone who visited Geo hot's web page just goes to show what money can do in the expense of free speech and information.
Honestly I would like to see Sony gets sued for taking out the other OS along with PS2 support and various other features I mean honestly why would you remove Linux support as Linux users are highly enthusiastic and intelligent people
that are passionate about their work on Linux did Sony even think before they took other OS support out they would have been much better off trying to patch the security holes than to remove Linux support.
If you ask me Sony did this to themselves and I honestly don't care if someone finds a way to make the PS3 play copied games
and get on PSN with their copied games and cheats and I hope they make it as easy as copying one update file to your PS3 and running the installer.
Maybe I'm just a little too old but I remember at one time the customer was always right obviously Sony does not care about their customers.
I do strongly disagree with the personal threats on people's lives from anonymous or any other person and would be very appalled that anybody would even suggest kids in this whole mess.
as Sony put a security hypervisor to block you from doing anything like that
in fact they even locked the GPU and 3-D acceleration
I used to have Ubuntu Linux on my PS3 and when I decided to update to 3.21
not only did I lose my Linux but I lost 10 GB of hard drive space unless I formatted the hard drive
so to get My Space back I had to copy everything onto an external hard drive and copy it back this took approximately 6 hours don't ask me why but it was very slow
I still wish my Linux was on my PS3 lately to tinker around with programming
Sony should not have been able to remove this feature as it was advertised
if they had left Linux support in the PS3 I don't think the PS3 would be hacked wide open like it is
as Sony basically gave permission by taking the feature away for people to try and get it back
like Geo hot did.
Honestly I will never buy another Sony product because of this next thing you know
they will start disabling other features on other products they sell.
The quality of Sony products out there now is nothing special and there relying far too much on their Sony brand name.
And every time I see a commercial for PS3 and it says it does everything I think it does nothing as we took all the features out.
I just wish Sony would stop spending all this money to sue Geo hot and actually produce some new features for the PS3
how about a better web browser and flash support maybe some PS2 software emulation support as well since that's another feature they removed.
know they would rather spend millions on lawyers to sue Geo hot Graf_Chokolo and invade the privacy of many people they should have never been allowed to get the IP addresses of anyone who visited Geo hot's web page just goes to show what money can do in the expense of free speech and information.
Honestly I would like to see Sony gets sued for taking out the other OS along with PS2 support and various other features I mean honestly why would you remove Linux support as Linux users are highly enthusiastic and intelligent people
that are passionate about their work on Linux did Sony even think before they took other OS support out they would have been much better off trying to patch the security holes than to remove Linux support.
If you ask me Sony did this to themselves and I honestly don't care if someone finds a way to make the PS3 play copied games
and get on PSN with their copied games and cheats and I hope they make it as easy as copying one update file to your PS3 and running the installer.
Maybe I'm just a little too old but I remember at one time the customer was always right obviously Sony does not care about their customers.
I do strongly disagree with the personal threats on people's lives from anonymous or any other person and would be very appalled that anybody would even suggest kids in this whole mess.
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