Sony: Use of LV0 Key PS3 Hack Will Get You Banned

[bllue]

Now I know whose consoles I won't be purchasing in the future

 

[wemakeourfuture]

[citation][nom]thillntn[/nom]It was a mistake to remove the other os feature. If you look at their stock from April of 10', the base has been eroding. Many people will argue why, but everything is so locked down on the consumer these days, I wouldn't trust that kind of company. Anyone that uses Linux knows that terminal is a required thing to make drivers work in some cases, scripts for this or that..and if you are really good at it you can do bad things easily(if someone makes you mad). Linux Crackers are not a group you want on your bad side. I just upgraded one of my consoles to 4.31 , I don't play online , but due to drm I can't play the latest blurays or sync my trophies without this crappy update. So much for "you can keep your other os and other abilities if you don't upgrade". M$ should buy out there stock and IP and redo it all under one roof. Uncharted on xbox live anyone? .Slogan should be"It only does everything we let you do." In all fairness any hack that lets you compromise their network is bad, but the should be more understanding of their(shrinking) customer base if they wanna stick around.[/citation]

Sony stock is not down due to blocking users from installing Linux or other customizations to their products.

Here's a few macro and micro reasons:

1. High Yen
2. Competition from South Korean firms
3. Sony brad loyalty and perception of quality does not exist at the same extent as years gone by
4. High Yen!! 😛
5. Tsunami didn't help either
6. Inability to break into the smartphone and tablet space. Highest profit generating consumer electronics markets. Margins and growth on tvs, computers and other products are tiny in comparison
7. 3D tv has been a flop
8. Smartphones, tablets and iPods have destroyed Sony's and Nintendo's revenues and profits in handheld gaming

 

[thillntn]

"Many people will argue why" told ya . They need to allow people to play off hdd (as does m$) and actually add some features instead of taking them away. I have five phats i need to sell lol.

 

[Devoteicon]

[citation][nom]dextermat[/nom]correction "help provide a safe, fair, PROFIT environment"[/citation]
Are you thirteen years old or something?

 

[lpedraja2002]

[citation][nom]thillntn[/nom]"Many people will argue why" told ya . They need to allow people to play off hdd (as does m$) and actually add some features instead of taking them away. I have five phats i need to sell lol.[/citation]

I don't think the xbox360 allows you to play from the HDD without the Game disc being inserted. If not then what's stopping people from just renting a game and installing it to their hard drive?

 

[bustapr]

[citation][nom]dextermat[/nom]correction "help provide a safe, fair, PROFIT environment"[/citation]
well, NO SHIT

 

[svdb]

[citation][nom]mgilbert[/nom]Simple solution - never buy anything Sony.[/citation] At that rate while applying the same principle to every brand that upsets you, you'll end up buying absolutely nothing: which might actually be a good thing... 😉

 

[thillntn]

You are correct, the game needs to be in the drive, but after that, it spins down and the hdd is MUCH faster than the optical, and it preserves your optical drive on xbox. Load times are much more tolerable in this arrangement. All my games are legit, and I have the discs for them, this is just another example why people HACK their equipment to do what they should be able to.

 

[badaxe2]

[citation][nom]LuckyDucky7[/nom]Not your right to tell me how I should and shouldn't use my hardware.I'll give it 2-4 weeks before this hack is successfully cloaked from Sony.[/citation]


So, Sony's not allowed to protect their intellectual properties? I never understood the entitlement mentality of people these days. Sony's offering people a service (which still has a free online play option unlike a certain competitor of theirs). If people don't like supporting it for less money than games cost 15 years ago (remember $80 N64 games and at least $50 for everything else?) then don't use it.

 

[omega21xx]

They aren't locking your console down or telling you what to do with it. They are telling you "If you break our agreement, you can't use our free online service, which does not affect your console." If you have a huge issue with that and want both, get a dual nand flash with a new and hack firmware. Only get online with the clean new firmware, use the second nand for homebrew/ect.

Also there seems to be some huge misconception here that hacking was what brought them to take away linux. They took away linux as people were buying huge amounts of PS3's for linux clusters, meaning the console they sold at a loss was not getting money back on games.

This doesn't affect you any differently than the way Microsoft handles their console so just suck it up console kids. You use a hacked console on either and you get banned. Go get a Wii if you want online and a hacked console so bad. (There is the dual nand option too if you like to open stuff up.)

 

[spectrewind]

[citation][nom]JamesSneed[/nom]I say to all those that are pissed come back to PC gaming. I agree with Sony on this one. They have sold many consoles at a loss with the expectation of selling games to recoup the costs. Also they are only forbidding using these systems on their network, you own the hardware do what you want, just don't connect to PSN. Seems completely fair if you hack the hardware, don't support them by using pirated games, they should not have to endure the added expense of you using their network/server resources.[/citation]

*cough* Linux removed *cough*
I was one of those people who actually played with YDL on the launch-60 when I had one. Hooked it up to a 52" LCD TV at the time. Keyboard + mouse hooked up. My kids photos ran as a slide show. We enjoyed it. My photo's of my 2-year old were on the PS3 at the time.

Having been burned by firmware upgrades that remove a feature that was present during purchase, it occurred to me to check on what Sony was doing during each upgrade. I'm glad I did. I got the photos off the PS3, so I have them...

I did the firmware upgrade anyway, kinda knowing what to expect. Sure enough... no more Linux. The keyboard and mouse were now useless, as well as the binder with "how to" items within it I had printed, trying to learn YDL on the PS3. Kind of a hobby. The usual argument exists here: It was there when I bought it.

So, go ahead and agree with Sony... I think you will find it much harder to agree with them if you are made into a "victim" like this.

 

[noobcannon]

[citation][nom]spectrewind[/nom]*cough* Linux removed *cough*I was one of those people who actually played with YDL on the launch-60 when I had one. Hooked it up to a 52" LCD TV at the time. Keyboard + mouse hooked up. My kids photos ran as a slide show. We enjoyed it. My photo's of my 2-year old were on the PS3 at the time.Having been burned by firmware upgrades that remove a feature that was present during purchase, it occurred to me to check on what Sony was doing during each upgrade. I'm glad I did. I got the photos off the PS3, so I have them...I did the firmware upgrade anyway, kinda knowing what to expect. Sure enough... no more Linux. The keyboard and mouse were now useless, as well as the binder with "how to" items within it I had printed, trying to learn YDL on the PS3. Kind of a hobby. The usual argument exists here: It was there when I bought it.So, go ahead and agree with Sony... I think you will find it much harder to agree with them if you are made into a "victim" like this.[/citation]

what does them removing linux have to do with them banning hackers?

 

[neon neophyte]

play all the games!

 

[misiu_mp]

[citation][nom]badaxe2[/nom]So, Sony's not allowed to protect their intellectual properties? I never understood the entitlement mentality of people these days. Sony's offering people a service (which still has a free online play option unlike a certain competitor of theirs). If people don't like supporting it for less money than games cost 15 years ago (remember $80 N64 games and at least $50 for everything else?) then don't use it.[/citation]

Sony didn't offer a service. They offered a hardware device with specific functionality and a service. People have the right to protect their physical properties.
Sony gambled on selling it cheaper than manufacturing cost as a business decision and I don't know if it was a net loss or not (possibly it wasn't a great win), but it doesn't matter. It doesn't give them any special rights.
You could empathize with them if they had and goodwill points left, but they don't, so it's just cold business.

 

[misiu_mp]

[citation][nom]noobcannon[/nom]what does them removing linux have to do with them banning hackers?[/citation]

There had been no serious revealed vulnerabilities in PS3 for many years. When Gorge Hotz managed to get supervisor access using a hardware glitch and linux, Sony panicked and removed the Linux option. They must had not really liked it anyways since it never showed up in the already released slim model.
For many of those who used to run Linux on the ps3 the fun thing about it is the Cell cpu and its Synergistic Processing Elements - to play with it you need the other os option.
Now it is safe to assume that people hacking on the SPEs are much above the average consumer in terms of their computer science and hacking skills. They tend to have friends who are above average in those skills too. And now that sony pulled the rug from under their feet, they were angry. So was it that a little over 6 moths from when OtherOs was removed, they managed to reveal (by exploiting old, pre-existing software bugs - ones that nobody bothered finding before) the root cryptographic keys to the console.
The keys allows people to do anything with the software and the hardware (including running Linux) and it is virtually impossible for Sony to circumvent the leak.
It is the use of one of those keys (the most important one) that will get you banned on PSN.

Personally as much as I think Sony was a bastard for removing the OtherOS, I can accept they refusing the online service to those who use the keys. That's because it seems that the reliability of the service depends on the integrity of the clients. It could be better designed, but it is what it is.

 

[Guest]

"What's next; Ford will tell my in which states I may drive a certain model, and which states are off limits unless it is a red Mustang ?"

Ford doesn't your insurance company may.

 

[Guest]

whaaaa whaaaaaa.... we cant get free games and cheat online anymore whaaaa!!!!! lmmfao at all you homos who are butthurt because you suddenly arent good at call of duty anymore. ps3 owner for life and its about time they did something about online cheaters and trophy glitchers. bang!

 

[joe gamer]

[citation][nom]k7mm[/nom]Stop using a loop hole in our broken software.....that lets you use a feature that we took away....or you will get banned from a service you probably didn't use[/citation]
Hehehehehe, exactly.

 

[Guest]

Personally, I don't care about pirated games or whatever else the hack allows you to do. I've had my PS3 for around 3 years and it's been fairly decent, however, one thing drives me up the f***ing wall... If Sony releases new firmware, Sony prevents you from using certain features of the PS3 (For example, Netflix) until you've updated the firmware. So, instead of an evening of using the PS3, Sony forces me to spend the evening working on the PS3. Gee, thanks Sony.

 

[bryonhowley]

[citation][nom]dextermat[/nom]correction "help provide a safe, fair, PROFIT environment"[/citation]
So what are you saying that Sony should not make a profit? How long do you think they would stay in business if they did not make a profit. Personally anyone caught using this should loose not only there rights to PSN but the hardware to. Sony need to push a update though that would simply brick the PS3 of anyone caught using it forcing them to send them in to be fixed. spectrewind no one was made a "victim" you had the option of not upgrading the firmware and keeping Linux on a game system that did NOT need Linux in the first place. The PS3 is a game system not a Linux machine get over it already.