Testing CLD-99 vs DVL-91 vs Japanese CLD-R7G

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From the factory the 97 does have a softer picture but internally it has a
frequency response adjustment and you can tweak it to be just about as sharp
as the 99. The 99 does not have these adjustments. I was much happier with
my 97 after I tweaked it.

Kurtis

"Kevin Hawerchuk" <KevHaw@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> It's interesting that Kraig mentions the soft picture of the Elite 97.
> Personally, I noticed that too, even after I had a new laser pickup
> installed in one unit.
> I remember once having a Toshiba player, and in the owner's manual, it
> recommended pushing a certain button to give a "soft, more pleasing,
> picture".
> I think Pioneer actually felt that since people were so used to VHS
> videotape, that an overly sharp laserdisc picture would be "offputting."
> I haven't seen the LD S1 or LD S2, but I've heard that they also have
> a soft picture.
> Kevin
>

 

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>Why do you keep parroting and/or paraphrasing other posters and
>reposting common knowledge about LD players?

I'm not paraprashing anyone or regurgitating anything I was fed. These are
simple facts, common knowledge if you will. Outside of it's more advanced comb
filter the 99 is essentially identicle to a CLD-D704. With most high-end
displays now coming equipped with comb filters BETTER than what the CLD-99 had,
it does not make sense to jump from a 97 with lower noise to a 99. This is a
point you cannot refute, or you would have at least attempted to do so. If what
you want is the look of a 99 and you own a high-end display, you can save
around $200 and get a CLD-D704 which has most of the 99's features anyway, and
run it via composite for an *identicle* picture.

> is somehow a contribution
>to this group?

Your rants and obvious need for argument is not a service to the group Kraig.
And Kurtis seemed to agree with my point - I know you have some respect for
him.
Steve Grauman

 

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>>Why do you keep parroting and/or paraphrasing other posters and reposting
common knowledge about LD players?>>

>I'm not paraprashing anyone or regurgitating anything I was fed. These are
simple facts, common knowledge if you will.>

So you admit that the simple facts that you post are common knowledge.
Wonderful. Now explain why you have been reposting them?
You mentioned the 704, 99, and the 97. Which of these units have you
owned or even seen in action?

>And Kurtis seemed to agree with my point - I know you have some respect for
him.>

Your point? LOL! You merely restated Kurtis' point. Raaaack! Stevie want
a cracker!

Yes, I do have respect for Kurtis. He works with LD players, is
knowledgeable about the technology, and has actually seen the units he speaks
of in action and more. Though I do not entirely agree with all of his
assessments, I consider him a valuable contributor to the group.

What is it about this particular NG that makes you so desperate to be
involved? It is obvious that you are not an LD enthusiast. You come across as
just another punk NG newbie that thinks contribution is measured by quantity of
posts. I can assure you that this is not the case. You have evolved from merely
annoying to foolish and are now apparently enjoying your current status of just
plain pathetic. What do you have in store for us next?

Kraig

 

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>Wonderful. Now explain why you have been reposting them?

I made the point that I feel it would be silly to move from a 97 to a 99. This
point may have been made before. However, it was not made in reference to THIS
thread and because it is my personal feeling, wether it be shared by others or
not, I have the right to put it out directly. If you disagree with my point,
that's fine. However, this does not give you the right to forbid me from
posting. Just as you tell others I will tell you: please feel free to ignore my
posts or killfile me if you dislike what I write. I'm not here to make friends
ESPECIALLY with you and am not out to better myself in your eyes. I couldn't
care less what you think of me or what I write, so please stop telling me.



> You mentioned the 704, 99, and the 97. Which of these units have you
>owned or even seen in action?
>

I have been using a CLD-79 for months which produces a picture *identicle* to
the of the CLD-D704, on which the 79 is based. Seeing as the 99 is ALSO based
on the CLD-D704, I have a pretty damn good idea what it looks like in action.
And since I KNOW that the comb filter in most high end displays are better than
the 99's and that the 97 has lower noise, I can make the assesment I made.

>Your point? LOL! You merely restated Kurtis' point.

I've never seen Jurtis make that point. That is not an accusation that he has
not done so - it is a simple fact. I do not feel the need to repeat people.

>It is obvious that you are not an LD enthusiast.

It is obvious that you are underqualified to make that judgement and have no
knowledge of me or my habits. I am a "LD Enthusiast" in that I highly prize the
material avaliable on certain discs. I may not yet own all those discs but is a
matter of finances, not lack of wanting.
Steve Grauman

 

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>I made the point that I feel it would be silly to move from a 97 to a 99.>

You have never seen either unit in action! How valuable do you think your
"point" could possibly be to anyone in this group?

>However, this does not give you the right to forbid me from posting.>

I did not forbid you from posting. That may have been your humiliation
protection circuit advising you to stop posting.


>please feel free to ignore my posts or killfile me if you dislike what I
write.>

I prefer to be amused by what and how you write. And for your
information, I am not one of those cowardly killfilers.


>Seeing as the 99 is ALSO based on the CLD-D704, I have a pretty damn good idea
what it looks like in action.>

Well, as long as you have a "pretty damn good idea" of what a Pioneer
ELITE CLD-99 looks like in action, I suppose we should value your evaluations.


Kraig

 

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> You have never seen either unit in action! How valuable do you think your
>"point" could possibly be to anyone in this group?

Here's the point again in case you missed it: Other than it's comb filter the
CLD-99 is internally identicle to the CLD-79 I have had in use for several
months. When output via composite it's picture would be IDENTICLE to the player
I'm using. So in effect, I *have* seen and used a CLD-99, I just have not seen
what it would look like via s-video.
Steve Grauman

 

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Kraig,
I noticed Steve mentioned that he considers himself an LD enthusiast
only in the regards that some material is on LD only and, if he could
afford it, he'd purchase it.
Doesn't that put him with you, in regards to your Content First
idealogy?
Maybe, deep down, you guys are closer in your viewpoint of LD than you
realize...
Kevin

 

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KevHaw@webtv.net (Kevin Hawerchuk) wrote...
> Kraig,
> I noticed Steve mentioned that he considers himself an LD enthusiast
> only in the regards that some material is on LD only and, if he could
> afford it, he'd purchase it.
> Doesn't that put him with you, in regards to your Content First
> idealogy?
> Maybe, deep down, you guys are closer in your viewpoint of LD than you
> realize...
> Kevin

On a slightly off-topic tangent... Kevin, has Kurtis looked at your
HLD-X9 to make sure that it is up to factory specifications?

-Junior

 

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My HLD-X9 was checked carefully in Japan before it was shipped to me.
It's in perfect operating order. No mechanical difficulties, playing
issues, ect.
Just utilize the "ask seller" feature on ebay when you have questions
about items that are up on auction.
Thanks!
Kevin.

 

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"Kevin Hawerchvk"
> Maybe, deep down, yov gvys are closer in yovr viewpoint of LD than yov
> realize...
> Kevin

I have a hvnch too ;o)
They're acting ovt like an old covple.

I think they shovld meet in person.
It wovld be worth the efforts.
Think of all the things they covld talk abovt.

Therefore. I too smell a hidden vnion in the air.
They covld be best friends !!!

Kindest regards.
--
Brian Hovgaard Baldersbæk
Frejasvej 14
6400 Sønderborg
Denmark

 

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Yes;

Kevin is paying me to check it before he sells it. He asked me to ship it
to the buyer if sold in the US.
Kevin is one of my regular customers and has me check a large percentage of
the units he receives.

Kurtis

"unclejr" <watsona@kenyon.edu> wrote in message
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> KevHaw@webtv.net (Kevin Hawerchuk) wrote...
>> Kraig,
>> I noticed Steve mentioned that he considers himself an LD enthusiast
>> only in the regards that some material is on LD only and, if he could
>> afford it, he'd purchase it.
>> Doesn't that put him with you, in regards to your Content First
>> idealogy?
>> Maybe, deep down, you guys are closer in your viewpoint of LD than you
>> realize...
>> Kevin
>
> On a slightly off-topic tangent... Kevin, has Kurtis looked at your
> HLD-X9 to make sure that it is up to factory specifications?
>
> -Junior

 

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>Kraig,
> I noticed Steve mentioned that he considers himself an LD enthusiast
>only in the regards that some material is on LD only and, if he could
>afford it, he'd purchase it.
> Doesn't that put him with you, in regards to your Content First
>idealogy?

My stance on LD is not very much different from Kraig's. The difference is that
Kraig is old enough to have been "in on" Laserdisc as a new format and I am
not. I'm coming in late in the game, "post-mortem" if you will. However he
still accuses me of pandering to the format and it's users, despite a hefty
invesment in several hundred DVD titles, many of which are titles that I would
not bother with on Laserdisc.
Steve Grauman

 

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"Kurtis Bahr" <kbahr@comcast.net> wrote...
> Yes;
>
> Kevin is paying me to check it before he sells it. He asked me to ship it
> to the buyer if sold in the US.
> Kevin is one of my regular customers and has me check a large percentage of
> the units he receives.
>
> Kurtis

Kurtis,

Can the X9 be tweaked to include a gamma turn with a blacked-out
screen for the side breaks? Can it be tweaked any other possible way?

-Junior

 

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I don't know if that is programmed into the control memory. That would have
to be a hidden feature if it was there.

Kurtis

"unclejr" <watsona@kenyon.edu> wrote in message
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> "Kurtis Bahr" <kbahr@comcast.net> wrote...
>> Yes;
>>
>> Kevin is paying me to check it before he sells it. He asked me to ship
>> it
>> to the buyer if sold in the US.
>> Kevin is one of my regular customers and has me check a large percentage
>> of
>> the units he receives.
>>
>> Kurtis
>
> Kurtis,
>
> Can the X9 be tweaked to include a gamma turn with a blacked-out
> screen for the side breaks? Can it be tweaked any other possible way?
>
> -Junior

 

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watsona@kenyon.edu (unclejr) wrote in message news:<139de3b3.0411211257.189114ba@posting.google.com>...
> "Kurtis Bahr" <kbahr@comcast.net> wrote...
> > Yes;
> >
> > Kevin is paying me to check it before he sells it. He asked me to ship it
> > to the buyer if sold in the US.
> > Kevin is one of my regular customers and has me check a large percentage of
> > the units he receives.
> >
> > Kurtis
>
> Kurtis,
>
> Can the X9 be tweaked to include a gamma turn with a blacked-out
> screen for the side breaks? Can it be tweaked any other possible way?
>
> -Junior


The HLD-X9 maybe can be tweaked, and I will let you know in a week or
two. My friend have tweaked his HLD-X9 by throwing out or upgrading
over 150 parts in the machine! We will do a A/B test next week with my
HLD-X9 to see the difference. Hopefully it will be closer to the
HLD-X0, or even better, then I would be really happy!

/Mattias

 

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I will be interested to hear the results. I tried the simple replace the
bridge diodes in both the analog and digital supplies with either Hexfred or
GI851's but it didn't help. I wasn't going to put hundreds in upgrading the
electrolytic in the power supplies to Black Gates. So I am interested if
the extra upgrade of parts, better bulk capacitance, and shielding bring the
noise down to the X0 or US
LD-S2/CLD-97 unit levels. I still feel some of the noise in the design of
the board layouts as Pioneer always planned on the user using the DVNR.

Kurtis

"Mattias Karlsson" <nin@beta.telenordia.se> wrote in message
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> watsona@kenyon.edu (unclejr) wrote in message
> news:<139de3b3.0411211257.189114ba@posting.google.com>...
>> "Kurtis Bahr" <kbahr@comcast.net> wrote...
>> > Yes;
>> >
>> > Kevin is paying me to check it before he sells it. He asked me to ship
>> > it
>> > to the buyer if sold in the US.
>> > Kevin is one of my regular customers and has me check a large
>> > percentage of
>> > the units he receives.
>> >
>> > Kurtis
>>
>> Kurtis,
>>
>> Can the X9 be tweaked to include a gamma turn with a blacked-out
>> screen for the side breaks? Can it be tweaked any other possible way?
>>
>> -Junior
>
>
> The HLD-X9 maybe can be tweaked, and I will let you know in a week or
> two. My friend have tweaked his HLD-X9 by throwing out or upgrading
> over 150 parts in the machine! We will do a A/B test next week with my
> HLD-X9 to see the difference. Hopefully it will be closer to the
> HLD-X0, or even better, then I would be really happy!
>
> /Mattias

 

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>Kraig, I noticed Steve mentioned that he considers himself an LD enthusiast
only in the regards that some material is on LD only and, if he could afford
it, he'd purchase it. Doesn't that put him with you, in regards to your Content
First idealogy?>

Dear Kevin
Hello. I did read and chuckle at Steve's response to my challenge
that he was not an LD enthusiast. It is just like Steve to defend his LD
enthusiast status by invoking the non format oriented content first "ideology"
that I have popularized. He is nothing if not a mixed up kid.

Kraig

 

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>My stance on LD is not very much different from Kraig's.>

Steve's use of declarative statements is both preposterous and
uproariously funny. His quoted statement above is no exception.

Firstly, I do not have a stance on LD. The LD format was just an A/V
format and I approached its offerings no different from those of any other
format. The format that offers the highest integrity version of a movie, film,
TV program, etc., gets my support.
Secondly, as Steve has proven time and again, he is too unprincipled,
contradictory, and dull to concoct a cogent stance about anything. He should
just stick to dittoing knowledgeable posters and writing tired unoriginal
recommendations of machines that he has never seen.
Kraig

 

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>It is just like Steve to defend his LD
>enthusiast status by invoking the non format oriented content first
>"ideology"
>that I have popularized.

You have popularized nothing. My interest in LD has never deviated from what it
was originally and if it had changed, it would have nothing to do with you.
Steve Grauman