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Jeff Rife wrote:
> Randy S. (rswitt@nospam.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>
>>To be honest, I'm not sure it qualifies. Putting Reeses Pieces in the
>>movie *was* planned, it was not an accident. It was just their second
>>choice rather than their first.
>
>
> The coincidence is that there was another candy that fit the "specs" for
> the story.
>
> Despite the fact that it did turn into product placement, M&Ms would have
> been used anyway if Reese's Pieces didn't exist (or also turned down
> the producers), because the style of the candy was somewhat important
> to the plot. But, they would have gotten "normal" screen time, instead
> of getting shots that made sure you could read the bag, etc.
>

So the "coincidence" is therefore that Reeses Pieces are shaped like
M&M's and could be used in exactly the same way? Yes, I can buy that
then.

Randy S.

 

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Once upon a time, Howard <stile99@email..com> said:
>You even quote the definition of the word coincidence,
>then explain that Reese's Pieces being the candy was accidental, but seems
>to have been planned...while admitting that it was NOT the candy planned.

Choosing Reese's Pieces wasn't accidental.

accidental: occurring unexpectedly, unintentionally, or by chance.

Reese's Pieces didn't appear in the movie unexpectedly (there was a deal
with Hershey's to use them), unintentionally (after the deal was made
they showed Reese's Pieces prominently), or by chance.

Not getting your first choice doesn't make it accidental when you get
your second choice. It would have been a coincidence if, when the prop
guy went to the Kwik-E-Mart, they were out of M&Ms so he grabbed Reese's
Pieces, and at the same time Hershey's was working on a big marketing
campaign, and then the producers went to Hershey's and they decided to
do a product placement. When a movie or TV producer is looking to sell
product placement, they get rejected on the first try all the time and
they try someone else. It isn't an accident; it is business.
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cmadams@hiwaay.net (Chris Adams) wrote in
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> Once upon a time, Howard <stile99@email..com> said:
>>You even quote the definition of the word coincidence,
>>then explain that Reese's Pieces being the candy was accidental, but
>>seems to have been planned...while admitting that it was NOT the candy
>>planned.
>
> Choosing Reese's Pieces wasn't accidental.

Was.

> accidental: occurring unexpectedly, unintentionally, or by chance.

The producers neither expected nor intended to use RP.

> Reese's Pieces didn't appear in the movie unexpectedly (there was a deal

Candy didn't appear in the movie unexpectedly. RP being that candy was
unexpected.

Go ahead, you can now come back with "Sure it was expected after they
changed their expectations" but that doesn't make it retroactive.

> Not getting your first choice doesn't make it accidental when you get
> your second choice. It would have been a coincidence if, when the prop

RP was not their 'second choice'. There is aboslutely no indication that
at ANY time the producers said "Hey, if we can't get M&M's, we'll get
these other guys". Only after M&M's were ruled out was the search for a
similar candy started.

You are attempting to project today's market onto the past's. Certainly
anyone today looking for a "candy similar to M&M's" is going to think
immediately of Reese's Pieces, but that was simply NOT that case at the
time. Like snopes.com says, the candy was " up until then an underdog
confection only faintly known by the U.S. candy-consuming public".

http/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reese's_Pieces

Note when the candy first came out. Note when E.T. first came out. A
candy that, for all intents and purposes, did not EXIST when the movie was
being written was hardly 'second choice'.

> guy went to the Kwik-E-Mart, they were out of M&Ms so he grabbed Reese's
> Pieces, and at the same time Hershey's was working on a big marketing

Only possible if the candy is on the shelves. At the time, if there had
been a 'second choice' it would either have been Smarties (the canadian
version that bears a striking resemblance to M&M's or the american version
that does not, but is still a small, vaguely disc-shaped candy) or Necco
Wafers, a candy long known and familiar to everyone. You just simply
cannot consider something as you 'second choice if your first gets
rejected' if you don't know about it.

> do a product placement. When a movie or TV producer is looking to sell
> product placement, they get rejected on the first try all the time and

It's funny that you say 'first try'. Did you see the part that talked
about M&M's may have felt ill at ease at the prospect of dealing with a
new advertising medium? Once again, you are attempting to project today's
norms onto the past where they simply did not exist.

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"Randy S." wrote...
> So is this the new advertising model?

As others have written, not new at all. It used to annoy me that we were
always treated to a prolonged shot of the Ford emblem whenever Efrem
Zimbalist Jr. first pulled onto the scene in the FBI in 1965. Not only did
we not have TiVo, I'm not sure we had a remote!

 

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In article <m56dnfPiZawHSnzfRVn-sQ@adelphia.com>, Don Jennings
<djennings@almostadelphia.net> wrote:

> "Randy S." wrote...
> > So is this the new advertising model?
>
> As others have written, not new at all. It used to annoy me that we were
> always treated to a prolonged shot of the Ford emblem whenever Efrem
> Zimbalist Jr. first pulled onto the scene in the FBI in 1965. Not only did
> we not have TiVo, I'm not sure we had a remote!


I remember that they had to add a disclaimer that the FBI was not
actually endorsing Ford cars.

Some TV execs have convinced themselves that product placement is the
way to go. I don't think it is, especially as they tend to do it so
poorly, but I'm just out here watching TV and buying stuff. My guess
is that they need to return to the practice of having the stars of the
show do a commercial for the primary sponsor after the tag, but before
the end credits. I think people would watch a pitch by the actors on
the show they've just seen.

Otherwise, I don't think most commercials will ever be good enough to
snag our interest as we whiz past them.

 

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In article <230720050741303703%affable@no.com.invalid>,
"Dr. Personality" <affable@no.com.invalid> wrote:

> In article <m56dnfPiZawHSnzfRVn-sQ@adelphia.com>, Don Jennings
> <djennings@almostadelphia.net> wrote:
>
> > "Randy S." wrote...
> > > So is this the new advertising model?
> >
> > As others have written, not new at all. It used to annoy me that we were
> > always treated to a prolonged shot of the Ford emblem whenever Efrem
> > Zimbalist Jr. first pulled onto the scene in the FBI in 1965. Not only did
> > we not have TiVo, I'm not sure we had a remote!
>
>
> I remember that they had to add a disclaimer that the FBI was not
> actually endorsing Ford cars.
>
> Some TV execs have convinced themselves that product placement is the
> way to go. I don't think it is, especially as they tend to do it so
> poorly, but I'm just out here watching TV and buying stuff. My guess
> is that they need to return to the practice of having the stars of the
> show do a commercial for the primary sponsor after the tag, but before
> the end credits. I think people would watch a pitch by the actors on
> the show they've just seen.

Camels, not a cough in a carload.

>
> Otherwise, I don't think most commercials will ever be good enough to
> snag our interest as we whiz past them.

 

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"Howard" <stile99@email..com> wrote in message
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> "Dr. Personality" <affable@no.com.invalid> wrote in
> news:170720051244357672%affable@no.com.invalid:

> In
> the 50's, smoking Camels because John Wayne did was cool, now people
> aren't
> quite that stupid.

You obviously aren't, but I think you overestimate the intelligence of the
product placement's target market.

Advertising methodology is continuously and exhaustively researched. If an
ad makes it to TV, the chances are very high that it will be effective, even
though it might turn some small percentage of people off to the product.

 

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"Don Jennings" <djennings@almostadelphia.net> wrote in message
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> "Randy S." wrote...
>> So is this the new advertising model?
>
> As others have written, not new at all. It used to annoy me that we were
> always treated to a prolonged shot of the Ford emblem whenever Efrem
> Zimbalist Jr. first pulled onto the scene in the FBI in 1965. Not only
> did we not have TiVo, I'm not sure we had a remote!


No remote? Yeah, right! How did you turn it on, change channels , volume,
etc? Open the back and rewire it? Sheesh, next thing you'll be telling us
that earlier TVs didn't have color or something.

 

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Adam Corolla <nospam@nospam03550265902.com> wrote:
> No remote? Yeah, right! How did you turn it on, change channels , volume,

That's what children are for. I can still hear it... "Stephen, can you
switch to BBC1".... "Stephen, can you switch to channel 4".

The first TV we had with a remote... "Stephen, the remote is by the TV;
can you switch to BBC1"...

--
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The truth is the truth, and opinion just opinion. But what is what?
My employer pays to ignore my opinions; you get to do it for free.

 

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"Stephen Harris" <usenet@spuddy.org> wrote in message
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> Adam Corolla <nospam@nospam03550265902.com> wrote:
>> No remote? Yeah, right! How did you turn it on, change channels ,
>> volume,
>
> That's what children are for. I can still hear it... "Stephen, can you
> switch to BBC1".... "Stephen, can you switch to channel 4".
>
> The first TV we had with a remote... "Stephen, the remote is by the TV;
> can you switch to BBC1"...

LOL


> Stephen Harris
> usenet@spuddy.org
> The truth is the truth, and opinion just opinion. But what is what?
> My employer pays to ignore my opinions; you get to do it for free.

LOL

 

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My parents FIRST TV (and I remember watching it) was a 1946 RCA Victor
console unit with Hi-Fi.....not only did it NOT have color,it did not
have a remote either....and believe it or not(!) you had to change
channels and volume by actually WALKING UP TO THE
TV and turning knobs!! (Gasp!) There were NO recording video devices
either.
And to top it off,there were ONLY TWO (2!) TV stations to tune
to......one VHF and one UHF.
That was it....that is all you had! I bet you erudite techies could not
have survived in such a situation.

 

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SAC441@webtv.net (SAC 441) wrote:

>My parents FIRST TV (and I remember watching it) was a 1946 RCA Victor
>console unit with Hi-Fi.....not only did it NOT have color,it did not
>have a remote either....and believe it or not(!) you had to change
>channels and volume by actually WALKING UP TO THE
>TV and turning knobs!! (Gasp!) There were NO recording video devices
>either.
> And to top it off,there were ONLY TWO (2!) TV stations to tune
>to......one VHF and one UHF.

Hmm, something doesn't sound right.. My family's first TV (DuMont)
arrived around 1952, and it didn't have a UHF tuner..
(researching.....)
"On December 29, 1949 KC2XAK of Bridgeport, Connecticut became the
first UHF television station to operate on a regular daily schedule.
The first true commercially licensed UHF television station on the air
was KPTV/Channel 27 (now VHF Channel 12) in Portland, Oregon on
September 18, 1952."

(http/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UHF#United_States)

Very forward-thinking of RCA to add a UHF tuner 3 years before
broadcasting began..

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I live in the Pacific Northwest.I was a child at the time.The station
you mentioned,KPTV 12/27 WAS one of the stations I watched on it.
I barely remember the programs I saw on it.
The TV itself had a cherry wood cabinet with brass ring "knockers" on
the front doors that hid the TV screen.The screen itself was oddly
shaped too.It had "circular" sides with flat top and bottom.The UHF dial
was separate from the VHF dial.It had a "U" on the VHF dial to switch to
that band.The UHF had no "click" stops either like the VHF dial did to
demarcate the channel positions.And of course,the Hi-Fi (phonograph) was
mounted horizontally in a sunken cabinet to the right. It played
33¹/³,45,and 78 rpm vinyl records.It was considered "state of art"
at the time my grandparents owned it.
Apologies to TIVO posters for this trip down memory lane....

 

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In article <7810-42F432A4-585@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net>, SAC 441
<SAC441@webtv.net> wrote:

> I live in the Pacific Northwest.I was a child at the time.The station
> you mentioned,KPTV 12/27 WAS one of the stations I watched on it.
> I barely remember the programs I saw on it.
> The TV itself had a cherry wood cabinet with brass ring "knockers" on
> the front doors that hid the TV screen.The screen itself was oddly
> shaped too.It had "circular" sides with flat top and bottom.The UHF dial
> was separate from the VHF dial.It had a "U" on the VHF dial to switch to
> that band.The UHF had no "click" stops either like the VHF dial did to
> demarcate the channel positions.And of course,the Hi-Fi (phonograph) was
> mounted horizontally in a sunken cabinet to the right. It played
> 33¹/³,45,and 78 rpm vinyl records.It was considered "state of art"
> at the time my grandparents owned it.
> Apologies to TIVO posters for this trip down memory lane....


My parents had a 21" RCA Victor b&w set they were very proud of. They
bought it in 1952, I think, two years after they were married. It was
furniture, with doors you could close over the screen. Apparently
people back then thought TV sets were ugly and tried to disguise them
as, I don't know, big wodden boxes you put plants on top of.

The set broke down every six months. I suspect the components
overheated, because there was black condensation of some sort, like a
light soot, on the wall behind the set.

The speaker was rather large and was placed under the screen. You
could remove it and disconnect the wire leads very easily. We never
did connect a Blabbo or anything. A Blabbo was a little device that
was connected to the speaker by wires, and you could mute the TV with
it. There were ads in TV Guide for Blabbo.

The channel tuner was a round dial with points at opposite ends, kind
of like the hands of a clock reading 6:30. Each channel would clunk
into place as you turned the dial. I would lounge around in front of
the set and change the channel with my foot by hooking my first and
second toes around the dial and turning it.

We got a 25" Sears color set in 1966. Dual mono speakers. It broke
down even more frequently than the RCA, but it was really big, so every
year we put the Christmas Nativity on top of it.

Still waiting for 3D and Smell-O-Vision.

 

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In article <060820050250489351%affable@no.com.invalid>, Dr. Personality wrote:
>In article <7810-42F432A4-585@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net>, SAC 441
><SAC441@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>> I live in the Pacific Northwest.I was a child at the time.The station
>> you mentioned,KPTV 12/27 WAS one of the stations I watched on it.
>> I barely remember the programs I saw on it.
>> The TV itself had a cherry wood cabinet with brass ring "knockers" on
>> the front doors that hid the TV screen.The screen itself was oddly
>> shaped too.It had "circular" sides with flat top and bottom.The UHF dial
>> was separate from the VHF dial.It had a "U" on the VHF dial to switch to
>> that band.The UHF had no "click" stops either like the VHF dial did to
>> demarcate the channel positions.And of course,the Hi-Fi (phonograph) was
>> mounted horizontally in a sunken cabinet to the right. It played
>> 33¹/³,45,and 78 rpm vinyl records.It was considered "state of art"
>> at the time my grandparents owned it.
>> Apologies to TIVO posters for this trip down memory lane....
>
>
>My parents had a 21" RCA Victor b&w set they were very proud of. They
>bought it in 1952, I think, two years after they were married. It was
>furniture, with doors you could close over the screen. Apparently
>people back then thought TV sets were ugly and tried to disguise them
>as, I don't know, big wodden boxes you put plants on top of.
>
>The set broke down every six months. I suspect the components
>overheated, because there was black condensation of some sort, like a
>light soot, on the wall behind the set.
>

Most likely that black soot was a mold growing on the wall due to moisture
from the plants being on op of the TV set.

Did any of you suffer any respiratory problems in life?


>The speaker was rather large and was placed under the screen. You
>could remove it and disconnect the wire leads very easily. We never
>did connect a Blabbo or anything. A Blabbo was a little device that
>was connected to the speaker by wires, and you could mute the TV with
>it. There were ads in TV Guide for Blabbo.
>
>The channel tuner was a round dial with points at opposite ends, kind
>of like the hands of a clock reading 6:30. Each channel would clunk
>into place as you turned the dial. I would lounge around in front of
>the set and change the channel with my foot by hooking my first and
>second toes around the dial and turning it.
>
>We got a 25" Sears color set in 1966. Dual mono speakers. It broke
>down even more frequently than the RCA, but it was really big, so every
>year we put the Christmas Nativity on top of it.
>
>Still waiting for 3D and Smell-O-Vision.

So that is why they put fart jokes in about every movie released nowadays!
Hmmm.....

 

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"GMAN" <whodothere@whocares.com> wrote in message
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> In article <060820050250489351%affable@no.com.invalid>, Dr. Personality
> wrote:
>>In article <7810-42F432A4-585@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net>, SAC 441
>><SAC441@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I live in the Pacific Northwest.I was a child at the time.The station
>>> you mentioned,KPTV 12/27 WAS one of the stations I watched on it.
>>> I barely remember the programs I saw on it.
>>> The TV itself had a cherry wood cabinet with brass ring "knockers" on
>>> the front doors that hid the TV screen.The screen itself was oddly
>>> shaped too.It had "circular" sides with flat top and bottom.The UHF dial
>>> was separate from the VHF dial.It had a "U" on the VHF dial to switch to
>>> that band.The UHF had no "click" stops either like the VHF dial did to
>>> demarcate the channel positions.And of course,the Hi-Fi (phonograph) was
>>> mounted horizontally in a sunken cabinet to the right. It played
>>> 33¹/³,45,and 78 rpm vinyl records.It was considered "state of art"
>>> at the time my grandparents owned it.
>>> Apologies to TIVO posters for this trip down memory lane....
>>
>>
>>My parents had a 21" RCA Victor b&w set they were very proud of. They
>>bought it in 1952, I think, two years after they were married. It was
>>furniture, with doors you could close over the screen. Apparently
>>people back then thought TV sets were ugly and tried to disguise them
>>as, I don't know, big wodden boxes you put plants on top of.
>>
>>The set broke down every six months. I suspect the components
>>overheated, because there was black condensation of some sort, like a
>>light soot, on the wall behind the set.
>>
>
> Most likely that black soot was a mold growing on the wall due to moisture
> from the plants being on op of the TV set.
>
> Did any of you suffer any respiratory problems in life?
>
>
>>The speaker was rather large and was placed under the screen. You
>>could remove it and disconnect the wire leads very easily. We never
>>did connect a Blabbo or anything. A Blabbo was a little device that
>>was connected to the speaker by wires, and you could mute the TV with
>>it. There were ads in TV Guide for Blabbo.
>>
>>The channel tuner was a round dial with points at opposite ends, kind
>>of like the hands of a clock reading 6:30. Each channel would clunk
>>into place as you turned the dial. I would lounge around in front of
>>the set and change the channel with my foot by hooking my first and
>>second toes around the dial and turning it.
>>
>>We got a 25" Sears color set in 1966. Dual mono speakers. It broke
>>down even more frequently than the RCA, but it was really big, so every
>>year we put the Christmas Nativity on top of it.
>>
>>Still waiting for 3D and Smell-O-Vision.
>
> So that is why they put fart jokes in about every movie released nowadays!
> Hmmm.....

My folks had a TV set that was so old it didn't even have a screen. Just a
dial, which you could use to tune in audio-only signals.

 

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In article <U82dnZ7mSPidSZ3eRVn-qg@giganews.com>, Adam Corolla
<nospam@nospam03550265902.com> wrote:

> > In article <060820050250489351%affable@no.com.invalid>, Dr. Personality
> > wrote:

> >>My parents had a 21" RCA Victor b&w set they were very proud of. They
> >>bought it in 1952, I think, two years after they were married. It was
> >>furniture, with doors you could close over the screen. Apparently
> >>people back then thought TV sets were ugly and tried to disguise them
> >>as, I don't know, big wodden boxes you put plants on top of.
> >>
> >>The set broke down every six months. I suspect the components
> >>overheated, because there was black condensation of some sort, like a
> >>light soot, on the wall behind the set.
> >>
> >
> > Most likely that black soot was a mold growing on the wall due to moisture
> > from the plants being on op of the TV set.
> >
> > Did any of you suffer any respiratory problems in life?


No plants on our set, although it was reasonable to assume so from what
I said. (There might have been some plastic grapes, though.) The
black spot was caused by heat from the set. Something inside it was
vaporizing slowly.

Whatever respiratory problems we have had were probably caused by
second-hand smoke. The TV was the least of our problems.

 

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I wonder.....can you even get vaccuum tubes anymore as replacements for
old tech like this?
I have not seen a vaccuum tube sold anywhere for years where I am at
least.

 

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>I wonder.....can you even get vaccuum tubes anymore as replacements for
> old tech like this?

yes

 

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>I wonder.....can you even get vaccuum tubes anymore as replacements for
>old tech like this?
>I have not seen a vaccuum tube sold anywhere for years where I am at
>least.

http/www.tubesandmore.com/

Hell, there are still companies (mostly in China, Russia, and other
communist/ex-communist countries) that make brand-new tubes even today.
There are maybe one or two domestic manufacturers that make tubes for
specialized applications (such as Eimac, which makes high-power-output tubes
used in radio and TV transmitters and similar devices). The tubes you'd buy
for an old TV or radio would either be tubes from US or western-Europe
manufacturers that were made decades ago and have been sitting on a
wholesaler's or reseller's shelf since then or (in some cases) a new tube
from one of the aforementioned sources.

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