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"Jeff Rife" <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote in message
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> Seth (seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>> The net cost is what it ended up costing them when all was said and done.
>> You are hung up on "gross cost". You don't pay tax on your gross income,
>> do
>> you? I know I don't. I pay on my (in tax speak) "adjusted gross income"
>> which is the same as "net income". My net cost on my TiVo was $719. I'm
>> not counting the free 6 months of HD-Pack as I didn't subscribe to it
>> before
>> getting the HD unit, nor do I count the free 6 months of HBO for the same
>> reason.
>>
>> Bottom line, my bank account was only $719 lighter. Why does it matter
>> how?
>
> Because selling your RV that had a DirecTV receiver in it because you are
> going to settle down at your house and watch HDTV and then using the
> $50,000 say you got an HR10-250 for -$49,281 is kind of silly, isn't it?

Yeah, cause I would be out an RV. I didn't give up any property I owned.

> That's the difference between "actual cost" and "net cost" in this case.
> People are subtracting anything remotely related to DirecTV and HD in
> order
> to show how little they "paid".

Well, I'm not subtracting "anything", only my credit that translated
directly into $ but coming off a bill I had due. I'm not subtracting my
free HBO and free HD-pack for 6 months value as I wasn't paying those things
before getting the HD unit.

> Since a lot of other people don't get to do these same subtractions,
> claiming
> you "paid $719" for an item that you actually paid quite a bit more for
> is misleading. Likewise, claiming that it "cost $719" is also misleading.

No, they can't claim it only cost "them" $719 if they don't get the same
subtractions. Life isn't fair, we all don't get things for the same amount.
What the product costs everyone else is irrlevant to me. What it cost me is
relevant to me.

> It really doesn't seem so hard to say "I paid $850 and DirecTV gave me a
> $150 credit", yet everybody wants to say "I paid $700" for some bizarre
> reason.

Cause people don't talk that way in real life. I don't say I bought my wife
a minivan for $35,000 and then the dealer gave me $2500 in manufacturers
incentives and $2000 off for my GM Card spending. I say I got the minvan
for 30,500.
 

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"Randy S." <rswittNO@SPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jeff Rife wrote:
>> Seth (seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>>
>>>The net cost is what it ended up costing them when all was said and done.
>>>You are hung up on "gross cost". You don't pay tax on your gross income,
>>>do you? I know I don't. I pay on my (in tax speak) "adjusted gross
>>>income" which is the same as "net income".
>
> Sorry, I'd have to disagree here (I know that this is from the previous
> post). By your definition "net income" would be the amount your savings
> increased that year, i.e. Gross income - all expenses. You *definitely*
> don't get away with paying income tax on that amount.

Not really. I get to deduct and pay taxes on what the IRS has deemed
acceptable deductions. I do get to deduct some things, and not others to
come up with my adjusted income (that which I pay taxes on).

Same as in the example of what my HD-PVR cost me. Only here, it's not the
IRS determining what the unit cost me, but me. And when it comes to
deciding what to buy or not to buy, the only opinion of what something costs
me in the end that matters is mine. And based on what I feel my actual cost
of said product is, and comparing that to what it's perceived value is, is
how I decide to buy something or not.

>>>My net cost on my TiVo was $719. I'm not counting the free 6 months of
>>>HD-Pack as I didn't subscribe to it before getting the HD unit, nor do I
>>>count the free 6 months of HBO for the same reason.
>>>
>>>Bottom line, my bank account was only $719 lighter. Why does it matter
>>>how?
>>
>> Because selling your RV that had a DirecTV receiver in it because you are
>> going to settle down at your house and watch HDTV and then using the
>> $50,000 say you got an HR10-250 for -$49,281 is kind of silly, isn't it?
>
> That's also a silly example. The RV and the receiver have very little
> connection, and you did not make the $50,000 solely because of the
> receiver.
>
>>
>> That's the difference between "actual cost" and "net cost" in this case.
>> People are subtracting anything remotely related to DirecTV and HD in
>> order
>> to show how little they "paid".
>>
>> Since a lot of other people don't get to do these same subtractions,
>> claiming
>> you "paid $719" for an item that you actually paid quite a bit more for
>> is misleading. Likewise, claiming that it "cost $719" is also
>> misleading.
>>
>> It really doesn't seem so hard to say "I paid $850 and DirecTV gave me a
>> $150 credit", yet everybody wants to say "I paid $700" for some bizarre
>> reason.
>
> It's the same reason items are advertised for sale at $99 when they're
> really selling for $199 w/ a $100 rebate. Are you really going to give
> JaSon a hard time for doing *exactly* the same thing as that. In fact I'd
> say that Jason is far more justified, since the Directv credit is applied
> relatively quickly (as opposed to an *advertised* 6-8 weeks, and as long
> as 3-4 months), and is relatively easy to get (as opposed to following
> obscure instructions, cutting bits of paper out, copying them, and sending
> them away with a prayer where they may get denied even if you've done
> everything correctly).
>
> There is a line where rolling a discount into the purchase price of an
> item makes no sense. But in this case Jason's credit should count
> because:
>
> - It was received *solely* due to the purchase of the item
> - It required him to spend little to no additional money (since he was
> keeping Directv service anyway, plus it wouldn't have made any sense for
> him to buy it if he wasn't planning on keeping it, because it only WORKS
> with their service).
> - It was received in a timely manner
> - It resulted into an increase in the amount of his available cash (as
> opposed to a discount in the form of goods)

Well I don't know if your summary above applies to Jason or not, but it is
the bulk of what I've been saying.
 
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> Well I don't know if your summary above applies to Jason or not, but it is
> the bulk of what I've been saying.
>

I think it does, and I was mostly agreeing with your. I still think the
IRS is a poor example, because AGI is a complicated sum, involving some
expenses that are allowed to be deducted, and lots that aren't. But
overall I agree.

Randy S.
 
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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:00:26 -0500, "JaSoN" <jason@jason.com> wrote:

>I got mine for $700.



I got mine for $500



>JaSoN
>
>"Sean" <none> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:10:10 -0500, "JaSoN" <jason@jason.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Someone needs to do a side-by-side comparison of the HD DirecTV TiVo and
>>>the
>>>Comcast DVR for Sean. Unless you are a complete retard, you will be able
>>>to
>>>see that TiVo has it all over Comcast.
>>>
>>>JaSoN
>>>
>>
>> Unless you are a top posting complete retard you'd be able to see that
>> I've never compared the Comcast or any other cable DVR to the soon to
>> be obsolete, $1000 Directv HD Tivo.
>>
>> Cable, dillweed. Cable.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>>>
>>>"Sean" <none> wrote in message
>>>news:5g3n01978sfm33h7hks4kb25sjfoig488s@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 16:03:41 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In article <1108049865.347004.128440@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> "Pancho Claus" <tharris66@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a few shows set to record and when I check the now showing list
>>>>>> I see that they have recorded. But there are also a few other things
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> there that were recorded but I did not program. What's going on here?
>>>>>> How do I stop tivo from recording randomly
>>>>>
>>>>>It is hardly random. It's recording because it's configured to record
>>>>>Tivo Suggestions. READ YOUR MANUAL, so you'll know how to turn that off
>>>>>if you'd prefer your TiVo not do that.
>>>>
>>>> The Tivo software is not elegant or advanced enough for customers to
>>>> understand how it works.
>>>>
>>>> Try your cable DVR. It's much bettre than Tivo and if you need help
>>>> with something the Comcast product has video help.
>>>>
>>>> Sean
>>>
>>
>
 
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In article <k9el11lhe1ln7eqh40vl3714sfl3d6688r@4ax.com>,
kryppy <kryppy@gmail.cc> wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:00:26 -0500, "JaSoN" <jason@jason.com> wrote:
>
> >I got mine for $700.
>
>
>
> I got mine for $500

It turns out JaSon was exagerating, now its your turn to explain how you
got such a good price on an HR10-250.
 
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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 12:03:04 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com>
wrote:

>In article <k9el11lhe1ln7eqh40vl3714sfl3d6688r@4ax.com>,
> kryppy <kryppy@gmail.cc> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:00:26 -0500, "JaSoN" <jason@jason.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I got mine for $700.
>>
>>
>>
>> I got mine for $500
>
>It turns out JaSon was exagerating, now its your turn to explain how you
>got such a good price on an HR10-250.


It was stolen.
 

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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:31:49 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com>
wrote:

>In article <1108662026.887649.238610@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
> in2sheep@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Sean wrote:
>> > On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:15:01 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >Lowest I've found is $799.99 for the HD DirecTiVo
>> > >
>> > >============
>> >
>> >
>> > Lowest I found was $0 for an HD Cable DVR.
>>
>> How well does that HD Cable DVR work with my DirecTV installation?
>>
>> I'd love to pay $0 for a HD box that worked with my DirecTV line.
>
>Sean also pays $10/month for his Cable Box, $20 a month extra for
>service over DirecTv, and suffers with a Scientific Atlanta unit that
>resets to the start of anything he's watching when he doesn't want it to.


Wrong dillweed.

Sean
 
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In article <qnu621t8p1oojbahmtgo4ed8j4r8m5v877@4ax.com>,
Sean <sean386@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:31:49 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <1108662026.887649.238610@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
> > in2sheep@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Sean wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:15:01 GMT, Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >Lowest I've found is $799.99 for the HD DirecTiVo
> >> > >
> >> > >============
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Lowest I found was $0 for an HD Cable DVR.
> >>
> >> How well does that HD Cable DVR work with my DirecTV installation?
> >>
> >> I'd love to pay $0 for a HD box that worked with my DirecTV line.
> >
> >Sean also pays $10/month for his Cable Box, $20 a month extra for
> >service over DirecTv, and suffers with a Scientific Atlanta unit that
> >resets to the start of anything he's watching when he doesn't want it to.
>
>
> Wrong dillweed.
>
> Sean

I found a new one on eBay for $700 + $10 shipping. I expect these might
be down to $500 by July, but this was close enough.

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